Comments by "afcgeo" (@afcgeo882) on "Doug DeMuro" channel.

  1. They’re all just VWs in the end.
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  2. What 80% of the current truck owners need is a Camry/Accord. It has nothing to do with need. It’s purely want. They all buy trucks to compensate for their lacking organ size and functionality.
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  3. To be fair, the frame’s changes are tiny and few. It’s almost completely identical to the prior gen.
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  4. It was actually a compliance vehicle and was sold to the public, but many did end up in government fleets because they were sold at a big discount and were better than fuel. I know NYC bought a bunch, with quite a few for the NYPD non-patrol units.
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  5. HW2800 Right thought. Wrong reason. Power seats don’t drain power, as they are rarely used. However, the power seat motors do weigh a bit and ever pound costs range.
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  6. Why compare a city bus to a Pagani? It should get a score that'll compare it to cars of a similar type.
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  7. Dan Olson The one pro: it drives.
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  8. I think it's because Doug doesn't know that this is a commercial van not meant for families and he's comparing it to family minivans, which are completely different vehicles. It's like comparing a truck to a bus. They're both big and they're both somewhat similar, but they have very different uses, so a truck makes a terrible bus and a bus makes a terrible truck. He thinks it's just another minivan, but done terribly, so he's comparing it to minivans. Also, there's no doubt that Doug thinks he knows more about cars than anyone else on the planet, including all the Daimler executives. That causes him to stick his foot in his mouth quite often. He's entertaining, but he makes A LOT of mistakes and assumptions, which is quite unprofessional. That's just my opinion though. Notice that Doug didn't mention even once that this is a commercial application vehicle sold through a commercial dealer network. Not once did he mention that this van carries 8 people instead of 7, which is maximum in any regular minivan. He never mentioned that the load floor is low, making entering and exiting all rows of the vehicle super easy compared to minivans and making it super easy to load/unload the cargo in the back. He failed to mention that all the seats seat upright unlike the 3rd rows of minivans, which have an odd, upward-angled seat, that there is more legroom and much more head room for all passengers (partly due to that upright seating and a tall, box-like shape of the vehicle.) That since it's a commercial van, it wouldn't be driven by the owners, but by chauffeurs on their shift, which is why they're low in driver amenities and comfort. That the wheels are tiny because it works MUCH better for fleet applications and gets a better ride quality than large 17"/18" wheels (though it looks worse). That third row bench is meant to be either moved to points front/back to customize the interior or be completely removed to provide a flat, large cargo interior, which fits standard dry wall sheets btw. Him tilting it is idiotic because that lever is for disconnecting the bench and pulling it out. All the seats come out or can be re-arranged. This van is super popular as a cab in Europe and is picking up here in NYC as well. It's also easily customized as a wheelchair accessible van. Then, in the comment below, he belittles his followers by calling them "sweetie" while talking complete nonsense, "Well, sweetie, it's nice that Mercedes-Benz marketing has convinced you of this -- but it's the same size as a Sienna/Odyssey, with the same price as a Sienna/Odyssey, and the same scope as a Sienna/Odyssey. If I were buying a "commercial shuttle van," I'd literally fall over laughing at the Metris ... annnnnd then I'd buy a Sienna/Odyssey. Which is what everyone does anyway." Yeah... NO ONE buys Sienna/Odyssey vans for commercial use. NOT ONE PERSON. People buy Ford Transit Connects, Ram PromasterCity, any full-size van or back in the day an Astro van, but no one buys soft, short and narrow Siennas or Odysseys for commercial use. The load floor is too small and too high for that. The only minivan that has been used for commercial use is the Dodge Grand Caravan and they actually made a W/T version of it. That's because its interior is boxy and low to the ground, giving people an easy loading hight and an interior that can actually fit large things.
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  9.  @pilskadden  People don’t always buy cars that are sexy or we’d all be driving Ferraris. The number 1 selling vehicle in the US is the Ford F-150, which is an ugly pick-up. The number two is a Rav4. People bought the Multipla because it was useful, economical and affordable.
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  10. To be fair, the Supra wasn’t very weird.
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  11. I think this is exactly what Ford was thinking when they axed all the sedans and made this and the Escape.
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  12. Too bad it's actually a Mazda.
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  13. The engine isn't 90% of a car. Wouldn't it really depend on what broke? The only things that are different are engine, transmission and some suspension components. The rest is straight stock Mazda.
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  14.  @devinbender8428  If you can’t see them, you’re WAY too close.You should be able to see all the way to the ground.
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  15. Caliber? Caravan? Shadow? Nitro? Intrepid? Are we talking about the same Dodge? Dodge makes limited production, overpriced versions of cars, sure, but their regular cars are absolute shit.
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  16. Ever hear of means and medians?
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  17. His scores are meant to be considered against other vehicles in the same class.
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  18. Not just in Germany, but all over the world AND in the United States as well. This van is sold to fleets, not families. It is sold on a separate website, alongside the Sprinter and it is sold by the Commercial Division of Mercedes-Benz.
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  19. Okay... neither one is a super car or a race car. They're both on-road sports cars and both wagons.
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  20. Datoda No Škodas in North America and Mercedes C Class starts at $41,400. The 3-Series at $49,750. The top Jetta shown with every option is like $29,000.
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  21. Somehow, despite having fully digital screens, Subaru’s managed to create a very 1990’s feel and quality to it all, and that’s not a good thing (you know if you were around in the 1990s). Those fonts, those bezels, those cheap plastics… Wow.
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  22. Did you long for the Maserati version of it that Doug reviewed?
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  23. I always loved the V70R as well, but they were extremely expensive in the U.S.
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  24.  @jamesgizasson  You can get all that as long as it’s 25 years old. Otherwise, it will never happen.
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  25. It does... considering it is a commercial vehicle and not a family minivan. It has rear wheel drive, a basic, roomy interior, capacity to carry 7 adult passengers plus the driver in relative comfort AND their baggage. This is sold by the Commercial division of Mercedes-Benz, along the Sprinter. You won't find it on the regular M-B website. It's a commercial vehicle and it has its niche.
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  26. Yeah… I’m thinking a 2.0 Sport Hatch with the manual for me.
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  27. When you talk about power, Doug,.. you must also talk about the weight that power is carrying, not the "size" of the car. Not a terribly difficult concept to think about. The 2018 AMG E63's curb weight is 4669lbs with 603hp or 7.4lbs/1hp. The Panamera Sport Tourismo weighs in at 4486lbs with 550hp or 8.16lb/1hp. That's the explanation for it being a bit slower. However, that's a tiny difference and can easily be negated by the transmission, engine tuning or even the exhaust setup. Had the Panamera been heavier than the Benz, it would be a significant number, but since it's actually lighter, it isn't. Now... you have a 2012 AMG E63 and its curb weight is only 4282lbs, but it only makes 550hp giving you 7.78lbs/1hp, for an even smaller difference.
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  28. Hoefully the US DoT will re-visit their lighting regulations soon. They’re very outdated.
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  29. Yeah… because it’s a completely uncool Ford.
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  30. Seconds are crucial in car racing and since this is a Porsche, the clock set-up is reflective of the Porsche GT racing heritage. That's the explanation for the clock being what it is. It still tells time, accurately, but it is unique.
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  31. The dumbest thing us that the ones that should be powered from the front are the rear ones. They’re the ones that are impossible to reach for the driver!
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  32. Richard Wyse that makes no sense.
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  33. Not just Italy… all around Southern Europe.
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  34. EcoDiesels still have turbos, but yeah, that or a 5.7 hybrid would be a good idea.
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  35. Yeah... so you can hear what he's sayi... never mind.
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  36. Except the Miata literally has more curved body lines. Go back and re-watch the comparisons in the video. Pay close attention to fender flare lines.
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  37. Plenty of people in Europe do. It has enough torque to pull a small pop-up.
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  38. Aaron Self Dream on. The ONLY reason for the good resale values is the limited availability. The cars are durable, but not good at much and absolutely won’t be brought back. They’re extremely quirky and anything that is, has a following, including the AMC Gremlin along which I’d place the FJ Cruiser. What Toyota should do is partner with Suzuki and bring a re-badged Jimny to North America. That would be profitable for both manufacturers and cover a niche market that is now unserved. Toyota just bought a 4.9% stake in Suzuki as Suzuki bought a 0.2% stake of Toyota in return.
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  39. @Grudon 57 Yes, but mostly because of nationalism that Sweden is so into.
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  40. Jeffrey Morgan And a Defender V8, in a city.
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  41. TOPxRAMN you mean it’s not for packs of ramen noodles?!
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  42. Actually, that's completely wrong. The ignition lock was a feature found on most US made vehicles in the 1990's, regardless of transmissions offered. This feature is actually an anti-theft device as the lock locks the steering column and so that people wouldn't forget to do so, it won't let you take out the key from the ignition without doing it. Insurance companies gave you a discount for having it. Once locked, the steering column could only be unlocked by moving the key forward into an unlocked position.
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  43. You’re a LIAR! The LC on the Antarctica expedition was a heavily modified J78 Land Cruiser, which only came out in 1999, so your neighbor’s ‘97 ain’t it.
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  44.  @giorgiom.3833  Is that… sarcasm?
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  45. You also get mostly the 70 series, which is really an old work truck.
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  46.  @DmitrKG  Для тебя… а ты о объективности слышал?
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  47. It's actually selling well with fleets, which is where it's supposed to sell.
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  48. It CAN tow 5000lbs. It doesn't mean it can do it quickly, but it certainly can.
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  49. He’s just repeating what he heard from his wife.
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  50. And AWD and some interior space.
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  51. Paul Nieder Are you saying this car won’t put you to sleep?
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  52. It was a great car. My neighbor is from Montreal and drives a B250. It’s a fantastic car. Wish we had them.
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  53. Which is what people did. Which of them is still sold?
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  54.  @ssuperstar8989  Opel, Vauxhall, Isuzu, and Hummer are still existing and active brands. I think the brands you’re looking for are Oldsmobile, Geo and Pontiac. McLaughlin was never a brand under GM. When GM acquired it, it immediately became General Motors of Canada, which it still is. Also, Isuzu was never a GM company. They had a long-standing joint venture, with each owning a substantial share of the other. Isuzu also had a similar relationship with Fuji Heavy Industries (Subaru) at the same time. This is how Subaru bought out Isuzu’s share of the Lafayette, Indiana plant when they pulled out of the passenger market.
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  55. We had 505 taxis in NYC for a while. 505 wagons were common sight until about 10 years ago. Diesel, of course.
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  56. Doug is the kind of guy to cool it down to room temperature before putting it into two ziplock bags and into the freezer.
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  57. Except every other minivan doesn't do it. There is no minivan on sale that can carry 7 passengers plus the driver.
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  58. Right… what you need is a small CUV that drives like a car, but has space to fit all the shit once in a while. Like a CRV or something.
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  59. Willi Bergman Celcius isn’t “metric”. Celcius is Celcius.
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  60. SouthJerseySound The problem is that you don’t understand one bit about statistics. Answer this: How many unbroken cars do you tow to the dealership, so you can compare? The answer is: NONE. Unless you know what percentage of cars break against those that don’t, you will NEVER understand how often cars break. Research is showing that the current new car failures in the first 3 years range from 8% for the worst model to 2% for the best. That is the average percentage. It cover ALL mechanical failures. That means that even for the worst car brand on sale in North America today, only 8% of their cars will break down in some way, in the first 3 years. Those are the facts.
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  61. Jose Vega nothing is more reliable than an EV. Any EV. They simply have a lot fewer complex, moving parts. They’re not perfect, but as commuter cars, if you have access to the infrastructure, they’re a solid choice. Just watch your electrical rates. They don’t make the same sense everywhere.
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  62.  @Sheridantank  The reality is that the limber industry was giant in the US before the metric even existed. They considered changing the standards, but all the small businesses said the expense would be just too high.
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  63. That's because it has NOTHING in common with the original 124 Spider, which actually was a superb car.
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  64. The general market? What’s that? The North American market certainly doesn’t, but where is this “general”? Toyota sells less than 50k CH-Rs in the United States per year. The Rav4 sells 450k per year.
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  65. This is Doug. He drinks water from vases.
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  66. Sock Twister There is NO $31k Tesla. Never has been. The cheapest Tesla 3 on sale is listed at $39k.
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  67. Literally a feature on MANY cars.
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  68. One engine, yes, but everything else has been replaced multiple times. Anecdotal winner!
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  69. Barik Singh Not in Antarctica there weren’t. Only two vehicles: one a heavily modified Hilux and the other a modified Land Cruiser. In other parts of the expedition there were. It’s all in the videos!
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  70. My 2005 Camry will see more off-roading than this $50k monster.
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  71.  @DougDeMuro  Volvo is hanging onto that orange with the XC40 interior trim!
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  72.  @tolgahk84 I’m glad they didn’t. There aren’t any parts for them. They were sent to the US with a loss on each car due to Holden’s union contract that required a gradual draw-down. Holden killed all production lines aside from this Commodore, but needed more units sold, so GM subsidized them and shipped these over.
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  73.  @jamesgizasson  Not an issue of lasting at all. You can’t import something not approved by the DoT or the EPA until it’s at least 25 years old. If you’re okay with a 25 year old example, you can import it.
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  74.  @jamesgizasson  The import law has been around for many decades (the 1980’s) and there hasn’t been a reason to change it. The cost of importing is still high and finding a good example is difficult. Your best bet is looking in the Middle East to avoid rust issues. I’d recommend the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Qatar or Bahrain. Cars are generally well kept there, and the roads are mostly flat.
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  75. Unfortunately, Peugeots are known for very shoddy reliability in Europe.
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  76.  @EJ205T  Ты знаешь… нет. Конечно есть некоторые отдалённые регионы, но нет регионов без быстрой скорой помощи. Все посёлки и деревни имеют полные станции скорых и пожарных, даже если они волонтёры.
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  77.  @sergeykonovalov1090  Не очень. Дело в том что таблетки не скорая помощь. Тот-же самый активирований уголь для отравлений может сделать больше вреда чем пользы.
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  78. Oh okay Karen.
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  79.  @Newyen6MT  WTF are you talking about? Ford bought Volvo in 1999. The whole color combination was a Ford idea.
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  80.  @groggysword33  He’s just a troll who takes the bus.
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  81.  @groggysword33  Why are trucks prominent in motorsports? In motorsports anything with a motor can be raced, even lawnmowers. It’s entertainment. We keep things fair by separating things by category and racing them against each other. We don’t race F1s against Minis or go karts, right? There is a great Road & Track article about this dated August 7, 2018 “When Volvo Went Crazy With Its Wagons.” In basic terms it states, “Using the wagon meant more glass and metal on a longer wheelbase than an 850 sedan, but the Volvo's low center of gravity and mighty five-cylinder engine made up for any lost agility. And while people thought Volvo raced a wagon for aerodynamic benefits, the reality was that it was a PR decision aimed at ramping up T-5 sales.”
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  82.  @matrinezkevin11492  CARB didn’t kill them. CARB didn’t apply to vehicles that size and age until 2020. The 7.3 was replaced because it was a bit thirsty and dated, that’s all. Ford was looking to improve the fuel economy on the Super Duty and squeeze the power out of a smaller engine. It’s the same reason why Ford moved to a turbo V6 in the Expedition and F-150 while GM stuck with V8s. Choices and competition.
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  83. Just one point... it IS the V-Class. The V-Class replaced the Vito (cargo) and Viano (passenger) with the last update. This is the V-Class, but here in the US, it is sold as the Metris in only the cargo and work passenger versions as it is meant to be a commercial vehicle. Doug just doesn't know that.
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  84. The GLI seems like a real upgrade over this and that’s saying a lot.
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  85. James Craig Their condition plays into the price. Remember, the parts will be hard to impossible to get.
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  86.  @JustaPersonTryinToHuman365  And those who can afford, won’t want to buy. There are cars that are SOOO much better at this price point! These cars never sell. They’re kept around by a GM exec as a vanity project, that’s all.
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  87.  @directorjustin  The question is, why do you need them to spin in sync? Locked differentials aren’t aesthetic. They exist to transfer torque to a wheel with grip from one that would otherwise just waste it to spin, by a solid, mechanical connection. An open differential with traction control does the same, but actually better, being able to transfer over 90% of the torque instead of a locked differential’s 50%. When you have independent motors on each wheel, you have no differential because you have no axle. You physically can’t transfer the torque from one wheel to another via an axle, so… why do this? The computer can shut down all power to a slipping wheel. It can, at the same time, max out the power at any other wheel. You guys are arguing about where to attach a horse to a car. This tech is WAY past any differential.
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  88.  @oriole8789  Either that or a tiny reduction gear at each motor, for low drive.
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  89.  @oriole8789  Yes. What you’re suggesting is also a re-design. The issue is not torque production. The issue is torque application. Reduction gears exist to allow a set amount of torque to do more work at lower speeds. That reduces heat and other fault points in your drive system. A simple low gear is a very basic addition to an electric motor that likely already uses a reduction gear of some type to get the power into the wheel. That said, this is going on quite a margin, considering the original comment is about locking wheels, which serves no mechanical purpose in a car without axles.
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  90.  @freezor80  The first aid kit stuff is simple: iodine (typical antiseptic for wounds in Russia in the 1980’s and very effective), rubbing alcohol (this was pre-HIV days, so no sterile gloves), and the pills are activated charcoal, though aspirin would also be found there. I don’t know why Doug laughs at those things. American first aid kit usually have pills in them too - acetominophen.
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  91. How do you mention (multiple times) that the acceleration is good and even surprising, but then give it a 1/10 for acceleration?
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  92. Different chips. Actually, that’s the problem. Car manufacturers are still using old, obsolete chips in car modules that aren’t used in tech anymore. The screens use modern chips similar to what your phone has. There is no shortage of those. Chip manufacturers all pivoted to making those, which is why there is a shortage of obsolete ones for cars.
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  93. You and no one else.
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  94. We were minivan crazed in the 90’s and this, I think, would not have sold, as we were also V-6 crazed too.
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  95.  @ducknorris233  Aren’t all trunks rear?
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  96. Cannot be imported into the United States, so while you can drive it into the United States, it cannot be registered here.
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  97.  @yungboicontigo9278  All of Dodge is discontinued now. It literally has just the Challenger, Charger and Durango, the first two basically being a 2 and 4 door version of the same car. While all of them have performance trims, most of the cars sold are very plain, basic, old crap.
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  98.  @yungboicontigo9278  I would put “performance” into quotation marks there. The net power output is huge, but the cars handle like sacks of shit.
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  99. The “Alarm Occurred” light is there to let the driver know that someone has possibly broken into the car in the rear and may still be hiding there as a trap for your VIP. It would prompt the driver to look into the back.
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  100. Thank you! We’re not calling the Hydrogen Clarity weird now?!
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  101. That hybrid was good. Had the same 1.4 engine as this, plus the hybrid for about 25hp extra. It just never got good enough MPGs.
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  102.  @devinbender8428  They don’t have anything to do with setting standards. They simply test. The DOT sets the standards and there are set standards for both. You just don’t know them.
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  103. It is, but normal for a compact.
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  104. They were never multifuel and you’re talking about the Diesel engines. Gasoline engines were notoriously unreliable, especially the turbo, and can’t be found almost anywhere at all nowadays.
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  105. That’s correct. In the 1980’s this car had two basic roles in the USSR: taxi fleet and government fleet (first responders, KGB, military (non-combat, obviously) factory executives, and other chauffeured roles.) Ordinary Russians had no access to this, could not afford it, and even if they could, the order wait times were around a decade. Compared to the Ladas, Moskvich, and Zapotozhets of the time, the Volga was a large and comfortable sedan. This specific car seems to be the uprated 100hp version which required 92 octane. The 90hp version ran on a more common 76 octane fuel. The top speed on this version was 91mph or 147km/h. The taxis were technically 24-11s and 24-14s as they ran on 80 oct gasoline.There were also natural gas (24-17) and a station wagon (24-12). The best part is that V8 powered Volgas were also produced as special pursuit vehicles for federal security in two versions: 195 and 220hp. The Gaz 3102 Volga was a government service (politicians) vehicle derived from this.
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  106. There’s a great reason for that. Just like Tesla, GM loses money on each EV they sell. This especially comes into play once their sales drop off due to sunsetting of tax rebates. This happened to the first gen Volt as well. These cars are R&D projects that boost corporate image and test new technologies. Chevrolet doesn’t want to sell a ton of these. Most are destined for fleet usage.
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  107. LuiBC You should do a bit of research on Holden and the SS. Holden was already slated to close down as all GM production was to seize in Australia. Ford did the same. However, the union contract in place required that the production continue for 2 years. To satisfy that, but also introduce the new, European and Asian built Holdens, GM decided to get rid most of Holden’t inventory in the US. That’s how the Caprice and SS came to be just for 3 model years. GM could not sell more than what was imported and had no desire to boost cars that would be out of production on a set date.They were simply dumping excess inventory.
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  108. 18 years ago they definitely were. Things do change.
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  109.  @_zigger_  It’s not their master’s measurement, it’s history. By the time the metric system was invented, all manufacturing and trade measurements in the US were standardized in the Imperial form. Everywhere else, however, all kinds of measurements were used and nothing was standardized. That’s why the metric system took off there, quickly. However, there was no need, but a giant expense, to change over an entire booming economy in manufacturing standards as by the time the metric system was standardized, the US was already the world leader in those sectors. In fact, there are many things that are still standardized in inches and pounds and then just converted into random metric measurements. #history #factsmatter
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  110.  @Sheridantank  100% they don’t. I was born and raised in Europe. Inches, feet, pounds, gallons, ounces and pints are completely unknown measures in modern Europe. The funny thing is that things like 2x4s are standard there as well, but their mm measures are completely odd numbers
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  111. Many countries around the world have excessive import and road taxes on cars with engines larger than 1500cc
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  112. Paul Brown I get it, but wouldn’t a divorce be just as effective?
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  113. Why have theories when the truth is well-publicized and known by people who care to know? Oh... it's for those people who prefer to stay ignorant. The Metris (or the V Class as it's known in Europe) is a rear or all wheel drive work van that's sold in 3 different lengths and with 4 different available engines in Europe. In the past, the commercial and passenger versions were separated by different names (Vito and Viano, respectively) with the latter being completely differently equipped on the inside and slightly differently styled on the outside than the former. About a decade ago Mercedes considered whether they should bring the Viano to North America, but after lots of researched decided that the luxury minivan segment would compete against Escalades, Navigators and the like and that there wouldn't be much profit in it. They dropped it. However, the Mercedes Commercial Division saw the success of Ford Transit Connect and the Dodge Ram PromasterCity with fleets and decided to do the same with the Vito, which by then was renamed into simply the V Class, alongside the Viano. Thus, the cargo V vans are shipped to the US and then some are converted (to avoid the chicken tax) into passenger vans by addition of windows and seats. These vans are NOT sold through the regular M-B channels and you won't find them on their regular website. They are sold through the M-B Commercial Division and a website set up for them and Sprinter vans. They are meant for shuttle duties. They are durable, economical, spacious and easy to maintain, unlike the M-B passenger cars. They are sold and serviced at M-B commercial dealerships. These are FLEET vehicles sold as corporate vans, Uber cars, taxis, airport shuttles and light cargo trucks. They are NOT family haulers. What makes them popular with those crowds are a box shape that fits cargo and people well (8 grown adults fit easily), low floor, high torque with low horsepower (economical), able to tow heavy trailers and easy to maintain. They are not meant to be stylish or comfortable for long trips or luxurious. They're tiny buses.
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  114. I’ve seen them as black cars in NYC.
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  115. It’s all he does nowadays.
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  116. Ford owned Mazda back then, so it was expected. The Ford Probe was a Mazda. The Mazda B series were Ranger pick-ups.
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  117.  @zekec4031  I don’t really engage apes in conversations.
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  118. Oxolotleman That isn’t objective. It’s misleading. You’ve never taken a statistics class, have you?
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  119. Correction: It’s what the Jeep Renegade used to be, in the 1990’s, when it was the CJ/Wrangler Renegade.
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  120. It’s grandfathered in. Modern laws are for modern vehicles (new manufactures). It has to meet its year’s smog standards. That said, vehicles do break, even in CA. Yeah, I know. Hard to imagine.
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  121.  @bseligson1  And you’re still trolling. A locking retractable cover is SAFER (can’t see in and has a separate lock) and still gives you access to your bed vertically. It’s also completely water tight. Try securing your SUV trunk from a valet or prying eyes! Bed caps have all the weather protection and more security for the bed than any SUV, and with a cap, this truck gives you the same cargo space as a Suburban with the third row down, but for less than half the price, even in Lariat trim, AND 40mpg!!!
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  122. In a 3rd world country.
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  123. 30city/40hwy
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  124. This thing is actually quite popular as cabs, including in Europe and in NYC, where Uber and the like use it quite frequently. It fits more people than a regular minivan, it has more headroom, it's more rugged than a minivan and you can fit quite a lot of luggage behind the third row without moving it. It's perfect for that use.
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  125. The Impreza is smaller, more basic and slower.
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  126. Oh well you’re so stupid thinking you know something when you’re only guessing. The Jetta isn’t sold in any left-hand-drive countries. They’re there because the GLI has 3 extra buttons.
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  127. Radio.
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  128. You sound stereotypically bitter.
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  129. Actually, new VWs are far more reliable than VWs were 10-15 years ago.
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  130. Un 8 en qualite? Hahahahaha!
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  131. Max max you’re really stupid if you believe that. Peugeot was always low quality (it was banned from the U.S. because of it), but now... it’s actually even worse! Their styling is often good and interesting, but their engines a horrific, the interior fit is terrible and electronics are sure to have major fails within the first 5 years. I’d pick a Ford or even a GM car over any Peugeot/Cîtroen any day! Too bad, because some of them are nice looking and comfortable, especially the 308. However, everyone knows the Golf is more reliable and nicer to drive. The sales speak for themselves.
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  132. ®ioT It isn’t. It’s used for limousine transport purposes. Doug only reviews Mercedes if they’re commercial vans.
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  133. Didn't Doug say this "starts" at $25,000? This particular car could be $35k+
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  134. I think the fact that this car was exported to Japan with a left hand drive steering setup is the biggest quirk.
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  135. Still less ugly than a Nissan Cube.
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  136.  @TomazHilton  The Tornado engine isn’t coming to the Grand Wagoneer. It’s only coming to the Challenger, Charger, Grand Cherokee and Wagoneer. It only makes 375hp and it’s only a mild hybrid. The Wagoneer is also not planned as an EV.
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  137.  @TomazHilton  That’s false. Jeep has no plans to make it available in the Grand Wagoneer. It doesn’t fit the marketing image of it, just like the 5.7 V8, which makes similar power. Every source in the internet confirms it.
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  138.  @TomazHilton  Stop assuming and making things up. Just stop the b.s. It’s a 3 liter 48 volt mild hybrid. It’s estimated to slot below the 5.7 V8. It may not even be fitted to the Wagoneer in North America at all. If it is, it most certainly won’t be in the Grand Wagoneer.
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  139. Fuel economy.
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  140. Jeep thinks Americans are stupid enough to buy these. Is Jeep right?
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  141.  @ALittleBitOfGay  That’s the thing… there was no market for this car, not then, and not now. No one bought them and no one buys them now. Being rare doesn’t make something “cool” or good on its own. A car may be rare because it didn’t sell in the first place. The S60R, despite having been fast for its day, is actually a pretty poorly handling one for its class and yes, it was cheaper than an S4 or an M3, but that’s because it was objectively worse at its job.
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  142.  @timjeanjaquet5576  I think the VIDEO is cool enough, not the car. DUH!! Something doesn’t need to be “cool” for others to comment on it.
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  143.  @brodie6449  I’m not missing that point. It seems everyone else is, including Doug.
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  144.  @rogerthat3157  You need an eye exam, Circlejerk master.
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  145. Except it’s not good at being either. Sadly.
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  146.  @groggysword33  No wagon is ever a good sports car. The shape, size and weight are all things that matter in sports cars. Sadly, it’s also not a good family wagon. It’s way too harsh (ride, steering, power and noise) to be a daily driver and what stuff you do put in the back will fly around the car because you can’t drive it softly. Your passengers will hate anything over 10 minutes spent in it. When the first E AMG came out, it was needed. The regular E wagon was a bloated, underpowered fluff and the bit of extra power and better suspension made the car just better as a car. This thing is just way too much. Too much power, engineering, fuel waste and money.
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  147.  @groggysword33  You can race a horse against an airplane for all I care, but it’s not done in the world of motorsports. Fairness is a major factor in sports. So sure, you can race wagons against other wagons. Why not? We weren’t talking about racing though. We were talking about sports cars, which isn’t the same as race cars.
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  148. Have you never heard of the Saturn Ion?
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  149. It’s why we drive big, fancy cars. Also, our road taxes, insurance and fuel costs are lower.
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  150. It’s pretty quick, though loud. Easily does mid-30s in mixed driving.,
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  151. Doug: "I shall review this John Deere farm tractor and then give it a 'Doug Score' based on its acceleration, internal cargo volume, price value to a soccer mom and finally, style."
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  152. Yes and it’s for people not familiar with automatics, as most Japanese in the 1990s weren’t.
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  153. “One of the weirdest cars - a two-door Defender V8.” - Said a guy who daily drives a… two-door Defender V8.
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  154.  @waynehartley8468  No, he daily drives a yellow, 2-door Defender V8 from the 1990s. He just bought a new V6 4-door as well.
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  155. Three years ago you reviewed a G240 Cabriolet. Did you fall in love with it back then? Did you ever think you’d daily one?
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  156.  @deniscdyck  Do you need to be very special to get how Honda’s sports cars work? That sounds like one needs to be a fanboi.
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  157.  @deniscdyck  Well… you can add me to his kind then, because I completely get why someone would get a Civic, but no clue of why someone would choose to spend $30k+ on an SI or R. Not with the Elantra R and GTI/GLI out there. And now the Yaris GR is coming to bury Honda even deeper. At least in Canada the Si comes with legitimate creature comforts to help justify the price (which is even lower than in the US). The US version is just cheap and basic.
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  158.  @dohmies77  Where do you need a truck license for this?
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  159.  @manaspradhan8041  CO2 isn’t a pollutant, it’s a greenhouse gas. There is a HUGE difference. CO2 is a very benign, natural, and very necessary gas to maintain our ecological health. Pollutants like methane, CO, and NOX are something entirely different. While China produces far less CO2 per resident, they are still the largest polluter on the planet, and produce far more actual pollution per resident than any other country. Part of creating cleaner output factories and energy producers has actually created more CO2 and water vapor production in the US.
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  160.  @edwardvalivonis23  The MAM of an Excursion is 4173kg, which means you can drive it with a C1 or a C1E license, depending on the trailer you want to tow. D and E categories are for vehicles with over 8 passengers.
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  161.  @nazimelon6653  The current Transit 12-pax is 235” long (5.9m). The Excursion was 226.7” long (5.76m) long.
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  162.  @dohmies77  In Finland, a category M1 vehicle has no more than 8 passenger seats (in addition to the driver.) No size or weight restrictions. Are you a child or something? Every driving adult knows this. https://www.traficom.fi/en/transport/road/vehicle-categories?toggle=Motor%20vehicle%20
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  163.  @automation7295  What exactly is your psychiatric diagnosis? First off, ALL of North America is like that, from Mexico to Canada. Second, Europe isn’t superior. It’s just different, and if you knew the history of why, you wouldn’t talk at all. Europe is the way it is because it was developed under feudalism (compact, central towns where all live, and the fields they tended to outside of town). America was developed by Europeans wanting more space and freedom and built their homes on their fields, which was more convenient to farmers, with huge distances from house to house, and this no centralization.
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  164.  @dohmies77  WRONG. The law (whether you consider it “retarded” or not) is the law. It states that if the vehicle is used primarily to transport goods AND weighs over 3.5 tonnes, then it is a lorry (N2). Since this is a passenger vehicle with less than 8 passenger (not including driver) seats and not designed to transport goods, it shall be classified as a passenger vehicle (M1).
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  165.  @Youtube_Reiska  False. I’ve linked the Finnish transcom website for reference above. It is classified as an M1 vehicle.
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  166.  @Youtube_Reiska  I just checked. It seems you used the “idiot” font instead of the “sarcasm” font. I recommend you fix that for your future posts. You know, so you don’t end up looking like an idiot again.
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  167.  @Youtube_Reiska  No one was angry, you don’t understand the meaning of “cocky” or “sarcasm” and none of this had to do with any actual font.
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  168.  @Youtube_Reiska  You’re entitled to feel and think whatever you want. Just stop trolling already.
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  169. P0k3D0nd3M4cG You thought that or just pulled it out if your arse? What did you base that on, common sense? What it shares with the Paseo are the suspension, steering and floor layout. That’s it. The engine was basically the same, but the US version was tuned down for emissions and got around 95hp, and that’s even worse. The interior and exterior were pretty unique for the Sera, especially comparing it to left-hand-drives. With all that, and considering that even the Paseo was rare in North America, the parts availability is very poor.
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  170. The handling of this $180k Porsche is just a 6/10? Does it handle like a Honda Accord?
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  171. It’s a dying breed for a great reason. It’s a pile of hot garbage.
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  172. You're talking about perceived reliability. Peugeots never had issues with its perceptions. Where Peugeots fail is the ACTUAL reliability.
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  173. Sajith Not for North America.
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  174. TheBrzGuy You have statistical proof for that? I drive a Toyota and even I’m not so arrogant and ignorant as to make such a claim. It’s factual bullshit.
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  175.  @coryturner9140  I’ve lived all around the country, in urban and rural areas. “Some people” isn’t an excuse. Some people eat feces.
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  176.  @coryturner9140  I agree that people will do what they will do. No one is arguing what people do. The point is that this truck fulfills the NEEDS of most truck owners. 80%, not 100% right? But also there’s an issue of people driving vehicles with horrendous fuel economy and of high pollution, just because they feel like it, but those two aspects affect everyone around them, not just them. I get that they likely don’t give a rat’s behind about anyone else… and perhaps the comment is about that too.
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  177.  @jesusdontlikethatimgaybuts9493  So your story is about your grandparents not being able to afford a new truck? Is that all?
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  178.  @nightwolf883  And 90% of people don’t tow shit. Any other dumb comments?
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  179.  @TuomioK  The V90 was dropped for the US. Only the V90XC remains.
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  180.  @Lasergun74  No T-Roc or T-Cross in North America.
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  181.  @TuomioK  I didn’t say it was weird. I said it was discontinued. Doug said it was weird. Doug just does that to make money.
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  182. It is not. That is illegal in the United States.
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  183. So given your last 7 words, it is NOT that. It is a more basic system that's standard on lots of cars sold today that simply turns of high beams when an oncoming car is seen.
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  184. It isn't matrix lights though... not in the United States. They're illegal.
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  185. Paul Nieder The thing is a quirk with no features. Who asked Doug for this?
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  186. Anas Takiyudin Not the Cavalier!!! lol
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  187. ALL cars require you to press the switch at every startup to turn off Auto Start/Stop, except GM which don’t have an option to turn it off. It’s a federal regulation.
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  188. Erlend Johan No. It’s 100% custom aftermarket, making this video 100% pointless.
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  189. Do you seriously not know what a panic button is and what it’s for? It’s been around for well over a decade.
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  190. Fuel Economy: Economy?
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  191. Steven Toomey Hyundai/Kia/Genesis warranties don’t transfer at 10/100k. If you purchase it at 5 years there is no warranty at all.
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  192. “Large” refers to the total body mass, not the person’s height or width. It’s also subjective.
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  193.  @DTD110865  Yeah, it is a bit narrow, but nothing fits everyone.
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  194. The whole point of a keyless start system is to keep the key fob in your pocket/purse. Why would that be for a key fob? So you can accidentally forget it there when you exit the car?
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  195. Worse warranty and much worse fit and finish.
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  196. You mean the most popular flavor?
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  197.  @oriole8789  I agree that there’s no point to doing it, but if one had to do it, that would be the way. Software changes won’t change operational tolerance limits.
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  198.  @johnnyrocketa1257  Ah… but since there is so much battery weight on the bottom of the Rav4, its center if gravity is actually pretty low.
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  199.  @Swiftstar2  They are slow as made. That’s why they’re often modified with turbos. Their plus, much like a Miata, is that they handle very well. They’re actually fun to drive, even if a bit slow.
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  200. Wow... it doesn’t even have a “Ferrari” kit!
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  201. A new old truck costs 30% more for basically the same thing.
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  202. No French cars in North America and Jettas are all made in Mexico, which makes for high tariffs. They’re not sold in Australia anymore.
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  203. Aaron Self What do you know about the UAE? Have even been there? The UAE is the poster child for play toys. They sell the most Lamborghinis there too. Even their police drives Lambos. They are surrounded by the desert, a perfect place for an FJ play toy. The UAE is not the real world. Also, Toyota has only said that talks inside were going on about whether to bring any type of FJ back. Nothing indicates they decided they want to. Plus, have you actually seen the UAE FJ sales numbers before commenting? All of the UAE population (not just Dubai) is about the same as NYC alone. Keep that in mind. If they sold 10k units a year, that’s A LOT for such a small nation.
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  204. We always have before... That’s a quirk that’s always gotten a 1 on Doug’s wife’s score.
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  205. The German Fusion is called the Mondeo.
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  206. You think Corollas are “flamboyant?” Do you know what that word means? 😂
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  207. Used to be the case, but things change.
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  208. Why are you reviewing this garbage? Did someone even ask for it?
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  209. 2cvs? Are you comparing them to Ford Model T? You're an idiot. Modern French cars are indeed horrific. Bugatti is an Italian company, headquartered in France, but owned by Volkswagen. The Chiron is designed by Porsche's Achim Anscheidt and based on the old Veyron, designed by ItalDesign's Giorgetto Giugaro.
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  210. Back in 1873, I had a horse which was much more reliable than my Toyota... AND? What does that have to do with present day cars?
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  211. They don't meet US/Canadian safety and emissions standards as they are. That's why they cannot be imported unless they are 25 years old or older.
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  212. comedyman112 Apple stands actually have a purpose.
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  213. So is a Mini and a Miata. So what?
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  214. Prove it!
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  215. So first off, FiatChrysler Automobiles or FCA (as the company is known) owns ZERO shares of Ford Motor Company. Second, Ford Motor Company owns ZERO shares of Mazda. Ford divested itself of any Mazda shares in 2015. FCA doesn't invest much into brands they don't own outright (such as Fiat, Iveco, Maserati, Lancia, Jeep, Chrysler, Dodge, and Alfa Romeo.) They do have some local agreements, partnerships and joint ventures, but nothing with the competition. Lastly, there is NOTHING that's even remotely similar in the Taurus and Mazda 3. Unless you consider that having steering wheels, pedals, stalks and screens makes them the same. Please don't talk about things you clearly know nothing about.
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  216. Still not as good as a GTI manual though.
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  217. My step-dad had a 1990 Previa with all the options. Unfortunately, this was before the S/C or AWD models were available. It was a very luxurious, but very slow van for the times. It even had dual sunroofs, the rear being panoramic and the rear captain's chairs shown. When you think about it, most features of the van are revolutionary. Plus, it was absolutely killer in reliability. Never ever broke. Of course it was actually built in Japan. The Toyota logo between the rear AC ducts has the rear sunroof controls on the model that is optioned with it. What's really weird (and I suspect you didn't notice it) is that the rear vents suck in air from the front it's visible above you when you're driving.
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  218. And you consider VW a basic brand? What’s Seat or Škoda then?
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  219. All you really need to do this is enough ground clearance, enough power and a 4WD system. It isn’t miraculous. Electric motors provide control over power delivery that ICE engines can’t and the power is definitely there. The traction control software seems to be solid here and the rest is just tires.
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  220. Maybe because Volkswagen owns Škoda? Also, this is the Octavia, not Superb.
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  221. It won’t meet US EPA or safety standards, so you can’t.
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  222.  @OsellaSquadraCorse  Which doesn’t matter as it was kept alive by GM. Cars aren’t brands.
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  223.  @Baebon6259  The Japanese emissions standards on gasoline vehicles are still under US standards, while Diesel emissions are now the same as US/Euro5. Regardless, every vehicle has to submit for testing which is time consuming and expensive. Suzuki did not want to do that for the little sales it would get.
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  224. For just a few hundred dollars, the 2017 model can be ordered with the original Holden badging. It’s an option on the Chevy website when you go and build one out. Also, this car was fairly popular with police departments.
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  225. Most Excursions ended being sold with the Diesel and in base trims because most ended up going to fleets. For a while, almost every major fire department in North America was buying these. Unfortunately, almost no one else was. And now that there are so few around that weren’t completely beat up, the demand does outnumber the supply. Why was the demand low originally? They were priced ridiculously high, especially in the XLT and higher trims. No family had that much to spend on a Ford truck. Regardless, even today, probably over 80% of them are driven not by families, but by people who just like big trucks and have a need to compensate. Oh and the 12-13mpg (V-10) combined didn’t help.
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  226. Doug... the type of guy to never meet his wife at the airport.
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  227.  @houstonrefinery719  There’s Doug himself having said it…
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  228.  @houstonrefinery719  Years ago… he’s actually mentioned it a few times. He said you can’t really compare an Escalade to a Ferrari, so you have to keep in mind that it’s all relative. He compares as to similar vehicles. He should be more clear about it though, mention it every time.
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  229. In America we do too. That guy's an idiot.
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  230. The guy who did this had a good idea, but in my opinion ruined the car with all of the extra upgrades. I suspect it’s heavily abused and many parts that are from the Scirocco are breaking and can’t be easily imported. Would have loved a 2.5 or 1.8t FWD version (stock) instead.
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  231. It’s a MUCH better daily driver than the Defender 90. It’s also more capable off-road.
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  232. And Canada.
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  233. What car was ever a Retro Success?
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  234. There are no Euro Jettas anymore. The GLI has 3 extra buttons, that’s all.,
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  235. Doug, I think you need to start using the words "materials quality" and "build quality" so that one doesn't confuse one for the other. What you usually mean by "quality" is material quality.
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  236.  @FallenBronyART  А я видел Ниву в Нью Йорке недавно.
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  237.  @SABUSA-hj4xe  А Победа?
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  238. Octavia actually and Škodas are good cars.
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  239. This is why the Rav4 is the biggest selling car in the US. It does everything that’s needed, comfortably, and efficiently.
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  240. It’s smaller than they are.
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  241. VW was never trying to sell that many.
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  242. It's actually called the Mazda MX5 Miata all over the world.
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  243. Mazda changed their naming nomenclature on the car starting with the 3rd generation. It is now known as the MX-5 everywhere except the United States, where it is called the MX-5 Miata and Japan where it is called the Mazda Roadster. The Eunos brand was cancelled in 1996. The word "Miata" comes from German by the way.
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  244.  @best-qg5uj  They don’t need it for what the chips’ function is.
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  245. https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a9816/carchaeology-1952-oldsmobile-and-the-first-headlight-dimmer-16301766/
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  246. Adaptive headlights are actually available on most cars nowadays, but only on the top trims.
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  247. LED-Matrix and similar lights are illegal in the United States at this point. The law regulating headlamps states that cars must be driven on low beams as a default and that the high beams must be switched off for oncoming traffic. These systems don't comply with that law, so they are not sold in the United States.
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  248. Is it just me or is this Ranger about the same size as the F150 was when the old Ranger was discontinued and if that is, in fact, the case, could this be the answer to why it's back?
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  249.  @zsoltpapp3363  As opposed to today, when most of them are, realistically, just 4-seaters?
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  250. My guess is that this car was for Leona Helmsley. We know it was purchased by a female New Yorker and the duality with a white rear interior fitted her personality perfectly.
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  251.  @brimstone33  Except FACTUALLY, and that article says it clearly, Consumer Reports NEVER admitted any wrongdoing, and also never paid anyone. Both sides literally dropped the lawsuits after years of getting nowhere. “In 1996, Suzuki sued Consumers Union (the parent company for Consumer Reports) for $60 million, citing the magazine’s conclusion that the Samurai "easily rolls over in turns." The lawsuit dragged on for nearly a decade before settling out of court. No money changed hands (except what was paid to the lawyers), but Consumer Reports conceded that they may have used the word "easily" a little too easily.” From my own experience, my college friend had a Samurai in the late 90’s and we’ve had to flip it right side up 3 times in the 2 years he owned one.
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  252. The VW is upscale compared to Škoda or Seat. The Golf is the most sold car in Europe for many years in a row.
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  253. Actually, traction control is essential in snow when your vehicle comes with an open differential, as most do. It transfers torque from the wheel that has no traction to the opposing wheel, allowing it to power the vehicle out. Electronic stability control does absolutely NOTHING for you in the snow. It simply changes vehicle dynamics at higher speeds to avoid oversteer and rollovers.
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  254. Fun fact: it was NEVER safety related. It was always due to the wheel encroaching into the door.
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  255. $50 for a photo of Doug’s wide in front of my car, individually signed by Doug.
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  256.  @jovanbudial5812  I agree that a lot of people buy pick-ups for the wrong reasons, but you haven’t me mentioned what those reasons why. The fact is that most buy them for their size and ruggedness. This is why the Subaru Baja never sold, at all. It’s why the Chevy TrailBlazer “pick-up” didn’t sell. It’s why the Avalanche sold poorly. All of these sell poorly, including the Ridgeline. People don’t want small trucks.
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  257.  @gbode7762  Except the Ranger had a real bed and a real 4x4 system, but no unneeded crew cab. Most of them were sold as actual work trucks.
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  258.  @nasanierulastname2997  Why? We have a Tacoma that is the same size as the Hilux.
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  259.  @tedecker3792  It turns out that truck people are truck people because they want large trucks. 🤷‍♂️ You know… ones that fit large things. Otherwise they’re just SUV people.
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  260. These are sold in fairly good quantities here in the US now, but mostly to fleets and with good discounts. These are only sold through the Commercial Division of M-B and you won't find them on the regular website. These are fleet vans.
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  261. The V Class is available in three different lengths, 4 different engines, as a passenger or a cargo van and that's just in the commercial end of the business. It is usually used alongside Sprinter vans when 10+ passenger capacity isn't required and is thus more economical.
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  262.  @d-baserox2773  No disrespect, but this isn’t 1984 and the Caravan was never “fun” or “crazy”. The Daytona was also never a sports car. It was a “sporty” econobox with no performance. We’re talking about 100 and 141hp engines here. Lets not forget the 2nd generation Challenger or 1980’s Charger, the Intrepid, Stratus, Aries, Omni, Monaco, Aspen, and the Avenger. In fact, it’s hard to name a decent Dodge since the early 1970s that wasn’t a truck or a minivan. The only exception are the high performance trims of the current Charger/Challenger.
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  263. A Corolla? Camry? Elantra? Escape? Compass? There are dozens more plain than this.
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  264. Doug DeMuro: The kind of guy who uses Turo to rent uncool and uninteresting cars and then review them for us.
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  265. More than a Fiat Multipla?
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  266. name No, not the same on the US spec’d cars. In the US you either get all windows manual or all windows powered. There are no cars with only front windows powered.
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  267. One main difference... American cars sold in Europe are tested (and sometimes renamed) for a universal understanding in Europe, while French cars aren't sold in the U.S. at all. This lesson was learned many times. For example, the Chevrolet Nova didn't sell in Latin American because it translated to "No va", which means "doesn't go." Thus, the Ford Escape was sold as a Kuga (Escape isn't pronounced the same in many languages).
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  268. I’m surprised the Mitsubishi Raider didn’t make the list. Any of the Daewoos too.
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  269. Viperman200221 Does the “Warp” button go up to 5?
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  270. You’re confusing the MSRP with the actual sale price and you’re two years off.
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  271.  @MartinAston00  He has, and it has, at least for the sites that he advertises the heck out of, which is why he does them, to a degree. They’re saying he used to do them a lot more often, and they’re right.
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  272.  @vocaloid12776  But you admit it’s purely nationalism, not car quality, right?
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  273.  @vocaloid12776  Unfortunately every “ism” clouds the judgement.
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  274. Not sold in N. America.
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  275. I generally like it, but I would really prefer a panoramic roof. There is one main reason why I would never buy it though: the goant lamps built into the bumper. Even a small tap of that bumper (which is what bumpers were designed for, by the way, small taps) would break the lamp assemblies, which will cost hundreds and hundreds to replace. It is a RIDICULOUS design which will absolutely cost Hyundai/Kia LOTS of sales and will be deleted soon enough, but before it is, one has to wonder what they were thinking. This is the same design that drew so much criticism for Jeep's Cherokee, one they tried hard to correct through the face lift. The fact that they're deploying this design on all of their models... mind-blowing.
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  276. The dumbest thing ever. The used market will be FULL of these in 3 years when everyone will be tired of them.
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  277. It’s an Octavia, which is an extremely popular car.
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  278.  @devinbender8428  If you’re not looking somewhere, the problem is in you, not the other car. It’s assumption vs. actually paying attention.
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  279. Doug.... The type of guy who’s now, finally done it.
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  280. I had one as a rental in Austin and I was impressed. It’s peppy, tight, and well equipped, even in a base trim. I found it quick in-town and roomy, though the road noise is substantial. Steering and suspension were precise, if average. The fuel economy was around 32mpg in mixed driving. What actually killed Jetta sales was the awful last generation, horrible reliability and DieselGate.
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  281. They’re not made in the EU, so imported (more expensive).
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  282.  @Ratrix  it isn't. It was designed in Europe.
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  283. Doug, you LIVE for "3 Buttons" - you own a Range Rover. It is literally just the 3 buttons and no actual SUV. It is, for all intents and purposes, the antithesis of these cars.
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  284. Simple: it’s bigger.
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  285. Why did you leave out the torque figures?
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  286. Sher's Fords and Others So lets not bullshit here. The Civic Base/LX Sedan (2.0L) is rated 30mpg city/33 combined/38 hwy. The Jetta is rated 30mpg city/35mpg combined/40mpg hwy. However, Car and Driver tested it and got 43mpg highway on the Jetta with auto, 48mpg on the Jetta manual. https://www.caranddriver.com/volkswagen/jetta The Civic LX sedan has 158hp and 138 lb-ft of torque and its 0-60 time is 8.2 seconds (Car and Driver test). The Jetta’s 1.4T produces 147hp and 184 lb-ft of torque with a 0-60 time of 7.6 seconds (0.6 seconds FASTER than the Civic). So to recap, the Civic LX sedan has a little more horsepower, a LOT less torque, is .6 seconds slower and gets worse fuel economy than the Jetta. To get the better (still not better than the Jetta) fuel economy you have to pony up to the EX or higher, which gets the 1.5T. That 1.5T is also more powerful, at 174hp/162 lb-ft of torque (still less than the Jetta) and clocks in at 6.8 seconds.That trim starts at $23,800. The Jetta starts at $18,895. That’s an almost $5,000 difference. The important part of the acceleration curve is that the Jetta will actually be faster at 0-30 than the Civic as the Civic 1.5T’s torque is lower and that peak horsepower comes in at the crazy 6,000rpms that no one will drive at. The Jetta’s torque peaks at around 1,300rpm and stays there until 4,000rpm. https://www.motorbiscuit.com/a-new-engine-shows-that-vws-turbo-power-is-better-than-ever/ The Civic’s peak torque starts at 1,900rpms and stays until 5,000rpms. So to utilize the most of it, you’d have to rev that engine high, destroying the fuel economy. So unless you’re full on racing, the Jetta is the winner. #factsmatter
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  287. Sher's Fords and Others Those are ALL numbers. Did you not learn how to read?! Also, the Civic has a CVT, not an auto. Only the 1.5T Civic is rated at 36mpgs, but as actually tested, does 1mpg worse than the EPA rating, while the Jetta does better than its EPA rating. The 2.0 Civic gets 33mpg combined.
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  288. He never said you can't have it in South America. You can even have it in North America, just not in the United States or Canada. You can have it in Greenland, Mexico, much of the Caribbean countries and St Pierre et Miquelon (all in North America).
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  289.  @Turtlenaide  You need to look up the definition of “2nd world” before using the term.
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  290.  @gtx-808  Tacomas aren’t sold outside of North America.
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  291. Transmission, engine and almost half of the suspension/steering are Fiat. The rest is Mazda.
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  292. zehvz Look at the year, genius!
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  293. 0 is universal. “OFF” is in English, a language most on this planet don’t speak.
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  294. At what angle of the hatch does a car stop being a hatchback and start being a wagon? What is really the difference? These two look like the angle difference is less than 5 degrees. Surely that's not the requirement.
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  295. There is no Škoda or Séat in North America.
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  296. Yes. Our streets are wide and the fuel is cheap.
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  297. That’d the point. These are worldwide platforms that would sell everywhere except N. America really well.
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  298. The MPG claims are in Imperial gallons (UK), not US gallons, so the numbers would be lower.
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  299. First off, GM used to own Opel and sold it to PSA just a couple of years ago. The reason why some Opels are sold under the Buick brand in the United States is because that as an agreement as part of the sale. GM invested into those models' developments. Once they are updated, they won't be sold under a GM brand anymore. So, no, there's no PSA brand to sell them under in the United States as no other PSA brands are sold here. Furthermore, each model would need to comply with US safety standards, which are different than anywhere else. They'd also have to meet US emissions standards, which are also different. All of that would require special development and investment with a belief that the car would sell enough to make a profit. Considering the lack of brand awareness, trust in French reliability (when that trust isn't even there in Europe), an already loaded market and the difficulties of establishing dealership and distribution networks all mean that there's almost no chance that PSA will bring anything here anytime soon. If anything, Fiat is proving just how hard that is and Fiat actually has lots of support from the Chrysler side. PSA's brands are all very European and its focus is on that market.
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  300. Yes, it's a re-badged Peugeot.
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  301. When your 0-60 is the same as a Volvo S60, but you really want a shitty ride.
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  302. @ Well… if it was a turbine…
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  303. Stylish!
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  304. George Lappat You know, in the US everyone gives their credit cards to servers.
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  305. Okan Güven Pretty close. There are structural differences too.
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  306. The Doug Score shouldn't be comparing family SUVs to supercars, but to other family SUVs. Obviously any Ferrari should get a 20 out of 10 for acceleration, if you compare it to a Hummer H1, but you can't, because that's really dumb.
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  307. Nicholas Sabins He did crush the same gen A6 wagon...
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  308. Sunroofs leak in ALL cars.
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  309. This Land Cruiser is very obviously designed for the Middle East or Africa and will be used by private VIP security, where they and the Nissan Patrol are very popular.,
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  310. Nope. They’re for the GLI, which adds 3 more switches.
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  311. They do: Tiguan.
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  312. Elon Musk has always been a leader in solving problems that don’t exist.
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  313. Meanwhile, a Volvo V60 T6 is faster.
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  314. Because 911 would be a better number? That way they can send actual emergency services instead of administrators a week from the call (if you’re lucky). Of course, the car has no way to verify the reality of the situation and it making a false 911 call would likely eventually cost lives, given how many Bolts are out there and how reliable electronic systems are in cars overall. So maybe a gentle reminder does the job well, and doesn’t add to the burden of emergency services and doesn’t send people to prison for a single mistake.
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  315. Like?
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  316. It was a natural compliment to the Mazda B series pick-up, which was a re-badged Ranger.
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  317. xanzar21 Except Doug was comparing 1990s cars, not 2000s cars, so yeah, the SW20.
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  318. Proof that something rare may be valuable, but not good.
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  319. Because they buy Czech cars instead.
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  320. The Jimny has been made since 1970 and originated as a Kei car. It’s still a Kei car that’s sold in more countries than just Japan as Jimny Sierra. Only the 2nd generation was sold in North America and sales were low. Suzuki makes small profits off each car sold and has no reason to modify the vehicle to meet North American safety or EPA requirements as it would cost hundreds of millions, and then pay a high import tax, just to lose money on each car. The car doesn’t meet UK or EU emissions requirements (and not even close to US/Canadian ones), so not only were the rear seats taken out, but a partition added behind the front seats, to make it a commercial vehicle. Euro NCAP tests only gave this thing 3 out of 5 stars.
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  321.  @salvador_mano4x4  Not really. Not in reality. The Wrangler received extremely low scores because the base version has no safety features at all. The versions 95% of people actually buy would have scored much better, but ANCAP doesn’t work that way.
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  322.  @salvador_mano4x4  Not really. Not in reality. The Wrangler received extremely low scores because the base version has no safety features at all. The versions 95% of people actually buy would have scored much better, but ANCAP doesn’t work that way.
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  323. I’m not waiting for this. I live in an apartment building and park on the street (nowhere to charge it.) Electricity costs as much as gasoline where I live (lower NY state) and we have no off-peak discounts. I also need normal wheels/tires and some actual ground clearance (my Camry has more than this “SUV”). It also isn’t “affordable” to the average American. A glass roof gives you some head room, but kills you in a flip-over accident as the ultra-strong roof isn’t padding, at all.
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  324. Bigg Papa Are you ill? Seriously. Are you suffering from a stroke or a psychiatric condition?
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  325. Michael Rossi right above his loft twin bed.
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  326.  @emixmim  You should be aware that the UK uses the imperial system as well, which is why the US does in the first place.
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  327.  @Sheridantank  There are 2.5cm in an inch. 😉
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  328. Well... Fiata is better than Fiat, so naturally, people who spend lots of time in this will eventually downgrade it.
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  329. Fiat is one of the biggest, but how are they one of the world's most important? I mean if Fiat was to go bankrupt tomorrow, literally no one in the world would care.
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  330.  @chynacash3138  The issue here is that Fords typically sold with a 12-15% discount off MSRP or even more, so selling at MSRP is already a huge mark-up.
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  331.  @comeberza  You should understand that dealers buy cars below invoice.
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  332.  @comeberza  Dealers go out of business, constantly. The business model doesn’t always work for everyone. It mostly only works for the manufacturer. Dealers make almost all their profits on service, not sales.
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  333.  @latebloomer2  Doing 50 in a Samurai isn’t just a struggle, it’s downright scary as those things rolled over like crazy. My friend had one in college and we had to roll it back a few times. Thankfully it was very light.
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  334.  @latebloomer2  Yeah… they also had a Suzuki Katana motorcycle in North America, but it was designed by Germans. The second generation Samurai was sold under 12 names around the world because Suzuki never understood the concept of brands. They still don’t as they now made a Swift Katana in Europe.
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  335. It IS old.
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  336. And yet so many owners love them, but you own none of them and happen to know how it feels to. Funny how that is.
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  337. Evoque is Range Rover. Discovery Sport is Land Rover, and much, much better in every way.
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  338. Chad Jackson Your Camry NEVER got 600 miles anything. At its absolute peak, the 05 Camry got 31mpgs (highway only, 55mph only) and with an 18 gallon tank even that ideal situation the whole way doesn’t add up to 600. The real fuel range of one is actually around 400 miles. I still drive one daily. 05 2.4 LE.
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  339. 12ealDeal I scrolled. No answer. Now what?
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  340. DrScopeify I’m a major rental car fleet manager. 1. The smallest car in our fleet is the Mitsubishi Mirage, Chevy Spark, Ford Fiesta, etc. 2. The Camry, Altima, etc are full-size sedans, which are 4 classes larger than those I just mentioned in point 1. In fact, only 2 classes of larger sedans exist (premium and luxury). 3. The CH-R and HR-V are sub-compact crossovers and are 2-3 classes smaller than the crossover equivalent of the Altima or Camry, which would be something like a Grand Cherokee, Edge, Santa Fe or Blazer. 4. Uber drivers need more rear leg room and trunk space. A Corolla/Civic would be more economical, cheaper and roomier for Uber use. A hybrid is ultimately what is best for that.
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  341.  @MIKEK3NT  Except you can easily do both. It’s not a zero sum game here. You can have aesthetics and fun driving on a budget. The Miata is a great example, but there are many others. This car’s design shows issues of two teams of designers not agreeing on anything, and thus compromising on everything.
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  342. Just get the base trim you dope!
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  343. The rear window doesn't open without the door being opened all the way for a reason. It has no lock on it. The only trunk lock is on the bottom (metal) section, so if not for the spare tire, it could be opened by anyone outside the car.
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  344. Does the base trim have ANY of the things you’ve mentioned in the video? The base is almost a carry-over from the old base.
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  345. Just about everything you've listed was OPTIONAL and not necessarily equipped on this car. Apple Carplay and Android Auto, lane change detectors, and panaramic sunroofs are available in just about every car.
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  346. Why do you doubt that Victor Prieto is French, just according to his name? Stereotype much? Dumbass.
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  347. The Jetta is as big as your old Passat, has more torque and gets 40mpg on highway with regular 87 gas. It also has a ton more safety features, so it’s heavier.
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  348. Ford, make this a hybrid with AWD and I will get one. My wife drives a Rav4 Hybrid and it’s fantastic. I’d love a more capable Ford version. I don’t think this will steal many truck sales, from anyone, but I do think people who would otherwise buy a Corolla or a Camry would look at this as well. It fits car seats. If you equip it with a bed cover, it becomes a GIANT trunk. With the hybrid engine it’s as economical as those sedans and lets face it, it’s roomy. It’s just a good car substitute at that price.
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  349. The only version I could see being a value would be the base 90. Add other stuff to it and it’s just more stuff that’ll break.
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  350. Prolly still does.
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  351. I don’t know what suburbs Doug grew up in, but in New York these weren’t all that popular. They were giant and very expensive, so yeah, if you had a family of 6 kids, you needed a Suburban, but otherwise everyone go by just fine with minivans, station wagons and other SUVs/sedans.
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  352. This is right up there with the Civic DelSol.
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  353. Ben James Also... the visors pop out above.
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  354. Paper Man Sunglasses? We just got him to stop wearing 2 t-shirts at a time! Baby steps!
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  355. You mean a Golf? That already exists.
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  356. The GLI is more.
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  357. Patrick Stevenson You’re comparing a fully loaded car with one that’s completely stripped? Not a single soul compares things that way or decides to get a fully base one car over a fully loaded another. That’s just not how humans work. That said, the GLI gets almost no discount and the SEL Premium sees about $3k off at dealerships.
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  358. Michael Nakis Yes and it helps if you watch the video.
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  359. Doug, like others have mentioned, this is a cargo van that's been adopted for limited passenger use. What they didn't mention (I don't think) and certainly what you didn't mention, is that it is sold not by Mercedes-Benz the normal car company, but rather by the Mercedes-Benz Commercial Vehicles division. In fact, if you wanted to buy this minivan for your family and you went to the Mercedes-Benz website (www.mbusa), you wouldn't find the Metris or any reference to it. Not in any category. This van is sold alongside the Sprinter vans and trucks through www.mbvans.com, which is their commercial vehicle website. This vehicle isn't meant to be sold to families. This is a FLEET vehicle. It is meant to be a taxi, corporate shuttle or delivery van. It is very similar to the use of Ford Transit Connect and Dodge PromasterCity and not at all comparable to the Honda Oddyseys, Toyota Siennas or Chrysler Pacificas. You just fail to understand this whole vehicle segment which is common in other countries, but only starting in the United States. These are commercial vehicles and are not there to compete with passenger vehicles just like buses aren't meant to compete with limousines. These are not marketed to families. They are marketed toward corporations and fleet managers. This was the decision of M-B when they evaluated their presence in the minivan segment. They didn't want to enter their V Class as they didn't see people spending that much on a luxury minivan. However, they identified a niche in the commercial market for a people hauler at the 8 person capacity. It is attractive to fleet buyers who simply don't need the 10+ Ford Transit, Ram Promaster (Fiat Doblo) or Mercedes-Benz Sprinter capacity. The van bypasses the chicken tax by being built and shipped to the United States as a cargo version, where it is converted with seats and windows into what you see there. That's why it's so spartan.
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  360. I drove the 308 around the UK 2 years ago. It was horrible. Every piece of trim rattled and came apart. The transmission was jerky and the car was clearly laid out taking form in a high priority over function, just like this 3008. Things looked overly styled and impossible to use. I would say Citroen is guilty of the same. Having spoken to some people in Europe about the car, I realize that it also has a horrible reputation of bad reliability for its transmissions and electrical components.
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  361. Okay... what is?
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  362. This is a 1980 Lincoln Town car and that’s why Doug loves it.
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  363. No. Stop living in 1980s. The parts don’t come from Europe anymore.
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  364. The current, 3rd Gen Century is a beautiful, modern vehicle. This is a late 1990’s example, which is of course because you can’t import it until it’s at least 25 years old.
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  365. Just here? lol
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  366. Doug, I didn't subscribe to your channel because I wanted to be talked down to, be called "sweetie" and be educated by an asshole. I subscribed because I thought you knew about cars and the automotive industry. Unfortunately, with this review and your comments I can see I was VERY wrong. You're behaving like a child instead of a professional. Unsubscribed.
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  367. All modern cars are having minor software issues.
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  368. Wrong microchips. They’re not all the same. Car modules use obsolete 20 year old chip tech. Semiconductors switched to making more modern chips because car manufacturers had to reduce production last year due to Covid. So now there’s a shortage of the old ones.
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  369.  @edgarh252  Actually, the EPA, DoT and all other government agencies classify all SUVs as passenger vehicles, not light trucks.
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  370. Because laws?
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  371. That is a giant list of things that will break, constantly.
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  372. This video should be called “Doug doubles down on his own stupidity” solely on his lack of understanding what the Metris is for. It is extremely popular in NYC as an Uber/Ride Share vehicle. It seats 8, comfortably, more than any minivan, while having the headroom for people to move about the cabin (get in/out as needed), and still has room for luggage. It has a low load/step-in height and handles great in city driving as it has fantastic sight lines. No regular minivan is even close.
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  373. They paid 90% of their attention and budget to the styling and 10% to actual mechanical and electric components of the cars. That's why Peugeots are notorious for poor reliability and performance.
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  374. No 72mo warranty anymore, sadly.
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  375. No.
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  376. Yeah… I’d rather just import a B-Class from Canada instead. Just as quirky of a design, but more power, larger and cheaper to import, by a lot. Maybe one of the 2.0 NAs. 7 more years!
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  377. The seating position and the difficulty of accessing the rear seats on this car contributed to its low sales. It’s huge, cumbersome and uncomfortable.
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  378. Heat only.
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  379. There isn’t one yet as they’re not allowed to be imported/registered there.
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  380.  @americanrambler4972  The drivetrain layout is identical to the Escape, so no issue there.
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  381. "They've obviously tuned the accelerator to respond quickly..." you are so young, my man... I'm 40 and even I realize that most cars of those years are still manual throttle control that isn't really "tuned". Also, it's not that these cars have large windows. They don't. It's that today's cars have very small windows.
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  382. V.C. Venezia You’re incorrect and uninformed. The CA smog test measures exhaust output by year and model to ensure it complies with that manufacture year’s CA emissions standard, not this year’s. As there were no CA emission standards before 1976, all vehicles made before that are exempt. It checks for a CA legal catalytic converter and that the system is working property.
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  383. rodgt90 It does look like smoke, not water vapor. I agree. So what though? It’s a car from the mid-1990s. Most cars from back then don’t even run anymore.
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  384. V.C. Venezia If that’s what you meant by “modern” then yes. CA has had so many updates that those 1990’s laws are archaic now.
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  385. The engine displacement size was written out and spelled that way because the Cherokee became a big export to Europe and other foreign markets and out there, most people did pay lots of attention to engine size and type because fuel was so expensive. Having a 4 litre straight 6 was a sign of wealth. It meant you could afford the 12mpgs. You' can also notice that the license plate area now accommodates a european standard wide plate, unlike the earlier Cherokees. Finally, these had amber turn lights as are required in Europe. These were all designed so that they could be exported without any additional changes being made.
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  386. It's the dumbest Land Rover model EVER made and it simply emphasizes the idiocy of Land Rover. It is, indeed, slotted to fight the SUV coupes, which are only popular because they are... get this... SUV COUPES, so of course LR make it non-coupe. It also produces a Jaguar that sits on the exact same platform and is the same size, but is faster AND cheaper, so (shocker!) it's more popular. This car is desperately underpowered with either engine choice available in the US, has approach and departure angles which ensure it will never go off-road and competes ONLY against other JLR products. Well done! I like technology. No, I LOVE technology, but at some point, the technology needs to improve the driving and utility aspects of the vehicle, not be gimmicks prone to breakage. Now I get that this is a luxury car, but let's face it, its capabilities are still mostly mechanical, not electronic. Oh and by the way, the F-Pace, according to all actual measured reviews is faster, stops faster and provides more grip on the skid pad. P.S. Considering LR's famous (err... infamous) dependability issues with electronics, those electrical panels that handle EVERY SINGLE FUNCTION will mean the car will literally put on more miles on the bed of a flatbed truck than on its own rolling wheels.
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  387. Yes.
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  388. Peugeots have a horrific reliability in Europe, which is also why they're not sold in the United States anymore (they used to be).
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  389. No. Leave the 1990s behind. The GLI has extra switches, that’s all.
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  390. Winroo Unlike in China and Korea, Europeans and Americans don’t think covering the whole thing in plastic “wood” panels is luxurious. Of course the world’s most luxurious cars are from China and Korea, not Europe and America, right? Oh wait...
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  391. Winroo Wherever they’re modified, they’re modified for the client, or at least the local market preferences. The preferences in S. Korea and China are mostly fake wood and gold plating... everywhere! In Japan they are different. Much more modest and more into quality leather. The Japanese also don’t like light color interiors much. What it seems you wanted to comment on was the aesthetics of electrical components, not the seats, cabinetry, carpeting or 99% of other stuff you see in that van. Electrical options, like everything else are completely up to the owner. This is CUSTOM work, after all. It’s all specialized to order. These vehicles, in the US are mostly owned by limousine fleet owners, not celebrities. They’re rented out for parties or VIP transportation, along with the driver, just like a limousine. They’re great for a trip to Las Vegas or Atlantic City! Also, if you don’t know about Korea’s situation, why did you specifically mention Korea?
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  392. Winroo You’re clearly not one of the Japanese high class society because that’s what’ being ordered for VIP transports in Japan. You don’t seem to know what you’re talking about, so I think this conversation has run its course, pal. Have a good one!
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  393. I can see the practicality of the lower end trims on farms and in special use in the military, but otherwise... it’s just an expensive toy, because let’s face it, while it can do so many things all at once, none of them are practical and it can’t do any of them well. For $50k, it’s just a very expensive toy and I doubt it’ll last more than a single generation.
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  394. Nope... in the beginning of the video you can clearly see a white t-shirt underneath it.
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  395.  @Cryptosporidium140 He said, “you couldn’t”, not “you can’t”. Words are important!
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  396.  @donttreadonmetal5073 Yeah. Port Authority in NY/NJ still has a handful, but they’re always in the shop.
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  397.  @NorceCodine This was an E85 model, actually.
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  398.  @bseligson1  Ever hear of bed covers and caps? Most pick-ups have them!
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  399.  @bindingcurve  No, it doesn’t. Many covers retract (soft and hard), and are lockable. And with those covers that don’t retract and with caps you still end up with massive cubic footage for cargo space, even more than a compact CUV with the rear seats down (and in this case they’re not down.) I’ve already measured. This destroys my wife’s Rav4’s cargo capability, even with the cover on at the bed height. That’s not even getting into the fact that there are all kinds of tie downs, bed liners, accessories and that the bed is completely washable. You can’t do any of that with a CUV.
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  400.  @bindingcurve  You know your opinion is just one man’s opinion, right? I can easily give you ten to counter you.
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  401.  @bindingcurve  A wise person once said, “you can’t fix stupid.” If you leave your belongings out in the open they will be stolen eventually. Duh! I’ve had pick-ups my whole life and I live in NYC. I’ve always had retractable covers or caps on them. They’ve always given me flexibility and and fantastic utility. I can drive 4 passengers, each with five large suitcases, to the airport. No SUV aside from a Suburban can do that. I have a Frontier mind you. Nothing huge or fancy. I’ve always had compact/mid-size trucks, from a 1988 Toyota pick-up, to a Ranger, a Mazda B, a Raider and now a Frontier. I’ve also had a number of sedans as my dailies. While the sedans were far more comfortable and economical, their trunks are simply limiting. The Maverick combines the utility I’ve always had and needed with the space, comfort and fuel economy of a sedan, meaning I won’t need two vehicles anymore.
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  402.  @grahamstefaan  Many architects don’t really draw, but go to construction sites, with measuring equipment to meet with engineers and crew and work out issues.
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  403.  @grahamstefaan  It seems everyone else disagrees with you, and it wasn’t my “recco.” Have a great day!
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  404.  @bindingcurve  And here is the funny thing… get this… NO ONE is telling you you should have gotten something else for your specific needs! Take the hint! P.S. The 33 cu ft cargo space in the Maverick is just to the top of the bed, but in an SUV, it’s to the roof, which is a giant straw man argument. With a retractable cargo cover, the vertical volume of a bed is virtually unlimited, plus there is the bed extender too, as evidenced in the video, and all this still with the rear seats being usable! No SUV will EVER win the cargo capacity over a pick-up, which is why pick-ups exist.
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  405.  @bindingcurve  My argument is LITERALLY that there are instances when a small pickup like this is far more practical than a sedan or an SUV. You trying to poke holes in that argument is LITERALLY telling others that they should want what you want and for no legitimate reason. F off!
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  406.  @bindingcurve  So the lesson should be: stop telling people what they should think or do. Also, every single one of my comments, when read in context, goes to show that there are plenty of people that will find this truck extremely useful. All of your comments are aimed to say that if they do, there is something wrong with them. You’re a pathetic internet troll, that’s all, but I really doubt that your personality will change just because someone called you out on it, so here it is… I’m just muting you.
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  407.  @pazminoproject  Except that’s a lie. A blatant lie. You get a large space, far larger than any SUV will get you in cubic volume, AND with space for 5 inside. That’s the point! With a hatch, SUV or wagon you have to sacrifice the passenger space to get that cargo space, AND you still wouldn’t use it with messy items the way you can easily use the truck. Salt, sand, concrete, soil… you will put anything in there, but you don’t want to put that into the back of your car, into the interior. That’s not even considering the safety issue of loose large loose objects flying around inside your car in an emergency maneuver or a collision.
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  408. Make yours available to him and he’ll do it.
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  409. The isolation of trunk items is why. Nothing rattling, sliding, shifting or flying around in an accident.
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  410.  @IrishSpyHD60  Oh yeah? Care to provide some examples of these non-safety safety regulations that were made solely because of lobbying? Lets hear these conspiracy theories!
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  411. This car is actual absolute garbage.
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  412. Air conditioning and heating are real needs in most of the country.
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  413.  @ObitoUchihaisgay  No. We used to get the 3-series touring, but it went away.
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  414.  @vdevov  It’s a compact car. It is a proper wagon going by what makes a wagon, a wagon - its shape. Of course you can consider it a watermelon for all I care.
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  415.  @vdevov  I think you’re lacking basic reading comprehension. A wagon is a long version of a sedan. A hatchback is a shorter version of a sedan or a coupé. That dictionary definition supports it as well. To see a basic difference in plain sight (since reading is not your strong suit) just look at the Golf hatch versus a Jetta (sedan) versus a Golf Sportwagen/Alltrack. Look at their wheelbases and overall lengths. The 3-series touring fits the wagon definition compared to the sedan, not the hatchback definition. “Comparatively long body” is the key there. The funny part is that you’re so ignorant on the subject that you don’t even know a 3-series hatchback was a thing (Compakt) and still is a thing (GT).
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  416. Only with the standard 1.4 non-turbo engine.
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  417.  @destruxandexploze2552  The Tucson has an underfloor trunk too, just like it.
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  418. Look again. It's definitely two.
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  419. The last all the years, actually.
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  420. Good Quebec specials!
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