Comments by "afcgeo" (@afcgeo882) on "PoliticsJOE" channel.

You can’t have one without the other.
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@ramadamming8498 That’s historically untrue.
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@ramadamming8498 The comment of Ulsters being at odds with other regions of Scotland.. You’re somehow creating an artificial division that simply didn’t exist before the English/Scots started to move in. All throughout its history, Northern Ireland had the same fate as the rest of the island, until the Norman invasion in 1169, but even that was fought off by the Gaels everywhere, but in Dublin, until the Wars of Roses in 1488. It’s true that the island didn’t have a centralized government in those times, but no one did, aside from Rome (and even that is questionable). However, Ireland was relatively devoid if major conflicts in those times and it certainly wasn’t divided between “South” and “North.” It was mostly different túatha having disagreements.
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The UK would be better off if NI joined the Republic as well.
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@joprocter4573 The Irish aren’t British. What are you on about?
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@ramadamming8498 All of which you speak has developed in the years of British rule, and did not exist prior to that. You must remember that Ireland had fairly string divisions in it’s populations due to poverty, so it does have at least four cultural differences, but then it was also impacted by the Norse and Norman trade and settlements. There is no Slavic DNA in the Gaels, bit rather there is common DNA between Gaels and Slavic people. Correlation is not causation. The link is attributed to both having common genetic links, likely the Vikings. To say that the Ulster accent has pre-dated the Scot-Gaels is silly though. Accent of what language? English? Irish? It’s not that Ulster has a distinctive accent. For that, the rest of the island must speak in a single accent, aside from Ulster. That’s just not how languages work. Everyone in Ireland exhibits a distinct accent that’s true to their region. Singling out Ulster for this is misleading.
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At the same time you can’t have a clear vote on a 400 point plan that most people wouldn’t comprehend or care about. That will always be defeated because everyone will find a few points they don’t like.
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@ramadamming8498 Genetics don’t always indicate common ancestry. Sometimes it’s convergent, not divergent. Sometimes it’s simply incidental. For example, the Vikings influenced genetics of the Irish by setting up many outposts on the island and having children with the locals. They also took many Gaels as slaves to other places like Iceland, which shows Gaelic DNA among most of its residents now. Vikings also invaded Eastern Europe and created the Kievan Rus, often interbreeding with local Slavs. Now both groups have some Viking DNA in them, but not enough to establish them being Nordic.
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@ramadamming8498 I think your confusion comes from not understanding how DNA relates to history. DNA is sampled today, not 1000 years ago. DNA from people in Ulster would have been different 1000 years ago than it is today. Southern Irish DNA does not have Czech, Swiss or Austrian DNA. It has more bits of Belgian, Dutch, Welsh, and French DNA than Northern Irish DNA does, which has more bits of Norwegian, Scottish, English and Danish ancestry. But that’s today, not 1000 years ago. Back then the DNA samples would have been much more specific to local populations due to their remoteness and frankly, a lack of DNA variety. There are generally 7 broad groups of Irish DNA ancestry. Central Ireland (Connacht and Leinster) have lots of commonality with Wales and Western England. Ulster shows strong DNA commonality with Scottish lowlands, but again, this is because of the last 900 years. The TRUE Irish DNA, the Gaels, was established around 3500 years ago and then changed by migrating Vikings, Normans, and the Plantations. But if you know the island’s history you’ll know that those groups settled mostly along the coasts and mostly in the East. That’s why you see less and less Western European haplogroups as you test farther West and specifically North-West. So the Ulster and Leinster populations were affected the most by this diversity, while Munster and Connacht, the least (especially the latter).
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@ramadamming8498 That paragraph is 100% correct. What you said originally is quite a bit different. The Ulster people were not always different and did not always conflict with the rest of the island. They are different today.
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@ramadamming8498 The Norse impact was large at the time, but has been watered down by the impact of the British. The same is true of Normans. There are still many Irish surnames of Norse origin like Arthur, Bligh, Harold, Toner, Reynolds, O’Hever, Sugrue, Godfrey, Jennings, and many others. Most of the largest Irish cities were established by the Norse: Dublin, Cork, Limerick, Wexford and Waterford. In fact, the Norse really controlled the Uí Néill until Brian Boru. In fact, he was killed by the Norse-Dublin and Leinstermen in the Battle of Clontarf. The Vikings had their impact on Eastern Britain as well, especially Scotland.
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@ramadamming8498 Briton DNA? Welsh isn’t Briton. Welsh and Cornish are Celts. Britons are native to Southern Britain. Also, you DID say the Irish have Swiss and Czech DNA, which they don’t. Neither do modern day British. Their DNA is Brithonic (Celtic), Anglo-Saxon (modern day Western Germany and the Netherlands), Gaulish (modern day French, from the Normans) with a little Nordic mixed in. Welsh, Swiss and Czech are not even closely related. The Welsh are Celtic, the Swiss are Germanic and the Czechs are Slavic.
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