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Comments by "D. R. Stewart" (@drstewart) on "Why Certs Are Better Than Degrees For Working in IT" video.
If an IT job requires a degree (and most do), certs don't means a thing if there's no degree. This is highly dependent on your job market also. The issue really isn't certs versus degrees, it's unrealistic job requirements (and the loss of anything "entry level") versus reality. Also, if an employer wants a degree in a given area (say networking or IT security) you can't cert and home lab your way through it.
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@johndank2209 What are you talking about? I didn't say "knowledge" I said degree. Yes, employers want them. Certs won't substitute for what an employer wants. Remember that for the most part, potential employers are not looking for reasons to hire you or work with you. They're looking for reasons to knock you out of the running. Not having the requirements of the job listing (like a degree if specified) makes dropping you an easy decision.
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@johndank2209 What if they get fake certs and watch a YouTube video? Is this really a valid route?
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@johndank2209 Which brings us back to the original point. If an employer wants a degree, certs, knowledge, or a home lab won't take the place of that degree. We've just gone in a circle. Faking a degree or certs really shouldn't be part of this discussion.
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@Max შემიწყალე So they put it in the job requirements for S and Gs, right? I work in reality, where job requirements and applications are a real thing that people have to contend with. Do you really think employers just hire people who are "good with computers" and have no credentials?
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@Max შემიწყალე Cope. And "homelab" more lol. A cert is passing a test. A degree is a commitment of time and effort to learn a subject deeply. If you have a problem with it, it really doesn't matter to me. If you choose to take courses from people who have never been in the industry, that's your problem. Can't relate. Troll somewhere else weirdo.
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@Max შემიწყალე "Most of my colleagues do not have degrees" And it shows! You exemplify all that is wrong with IT hiring. Woefully disconnected and making excuses. It's all about the hookup. If you live in this wonderful la la land where all you and your fellow flunkies need to work in security is an A+, good for you and the hapless stiffs you hire. In my job market, degrees are required. Once again, cope. To be worth your salt in IT, you need more than a boot camp and a cram session. Be upset about it.
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@Max შემიწყალე You're hilarious, riding this so hard for a comment I made about my job market lol. But do keep talking. A degree in IT is far from useless. It teaches things you cannot and will not learn on a certification test. You're really showing your ignorance by saying that a degree is only high level things. This illustrates that the people who need them the most, clearly don't have one. Degrees teach everything from foundational, low-level knowledge to high-level concepts. If you don't believe that, I have no desire to prove it you. Keep believing that a cert and a handshake is all that's needed. You haven't disproven a thing I've said, only offered angry opinion based on nothing more than your own bias. Meanwhile, in real job markets, degrees are required. Be mad about it.
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