Youtube comments of Lynn Meyers (@lynnmeyers8433).
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Because PTSD or shell shock not considered psych damage but cowardice then by most. Eisenhower thought not with Patton but not everyone agreed. Germans didnt. Im sure Stalin didn't if he would execute for surrendering.
People forget that was nearly 100 years ago in 1939(82 anyway). Expecting people to be as we are now is ridiculous.
Prince Charles divorcing was almost sympathized with by many. Edward's divorce shocking.
Medicine was very primitive before WW2. AND if there was chauvinism, it was much worse. Its why few know about the prostitution of women inmates of camps in WW2. Who wanted to be demonized after just surviving; and frankly, while Poland got a raw deal, they hardly have made up for governments which confiscated Jewish property before cold war and WW2.
Not being complicit til after occupations.
They must feel guilty or they a
wouldnt impose prison on people for saying "Polish" in connection with camps. But you cant tell me there were no collaborators or just people who took advantage, like the food merchants of the ghetto residents.
I saw this Polish grocer in documentary who acted like exploiting ghetto residents was a must--like because "everyone" profited, it was ok to charge 1,000 or 10,000 times value of bread because his family could. He even smirked as he discussed it. He said,"that is how life is!" over & over. Polish grocer and then soldier. Collaborators are among us all. Not all done as selfishly but they are there. Some probably feared Germans but there were those who saved and helped Jews in all Europe. Like the Polish girl who saved 17 Jews. She and her little sister. HIDDEN IN SILENCE is a film about it. She risked her life and limb, even when she felt overwhelmed she prayed and carried on. I think she is "righteous among the nations."
Now Poland waited decades and did that shameless deed of prosecuting those who misspeak.
Pope JP II wouldnt approve, but Poles arent as devout as they once were. Noone is.
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It IS wrong on the one hand, but after you have spent months treated worse than a MOROCCAN CAMEL--if that well--someone or other bashing you with. whips, gun barrels, sticks, and forced to see or be part of executions of people who simply wanted out or had only just arrived, You see the dead falling or pushed from a train car where there are 60 or 100 people sitting with one pot to pee in and no water; usually you stood because there is no room to do otherwise; if someone dies, they cant be buried or mourned easily. Then they may have put you on a siding for 3 days with no amenities whatever. Finally you arrived. You couldnt think straight before with no food, no sleep--frozen or burning up, heart thumping like a heart attack, if you are "lucky" to "live," you get to see worse for another several months till they kill YOU after you've lost your one asset--the ability to work for 16 hours a day for a cup of hot water with a little chicken skin and maybe another with a little coffee in it.
Some survived a death march; or the Soviets or Americans or someone arrived if you weren't executed on your way into Germany--lucky you!
No wonder they killed the guards who fed on Hassenfeffer(sp.?) cabbage, while you starved. Oskar Groening said he didn't kill anyone; he never tried to save anyone or ameliorate their conditions either. He was too busy stealing their money and jewelry, if they had any. Rich Jews, they called them because they had a gold plated watch and a few jewels from presents. Maybe a gold filling. Its a wonder any of those guards survived once liberation began by any means?!
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@heru-deshet359 it wasnt that good--like now. Men had just come back from WW2 IN USA. THEN IND. CAMP ATTERBURY (spelling?)HERE. DAD WAS INDIANA back from WW12 EUROPE OR PACIFIC OR SOMEWHERE IN STATES. MY DAD HAD 4 KIDS. THE GOV. KEPT THEM AT A BASE NEAR US SOMEWHAT. HE WAS AN MP. LATER HE WENT POSTWAR GERMANY & JAPAN--3 YRS. EAC. BUT BY 1951 FOLKS DIVORCED. We lived in a 4 room house. Mom at work. I raised self.
Mom was only child and her parents divorced. She was an IBM key punch operator. Then went to Chrysler office.
Dad re.serried had 5 more kids. Never saw him or Mom.
Even so we were g well off. Mom sent us xownstreet to Harold's Hamburgers. ID go to close store. Sometime es wed go to FOODLINER--1950s Marsh Supermarket.
I swim and walked to park and to movle matinees--Tarzan, Flash Gordon. Saw Samson & Delilah, Sands of Iwo Jima, WIZARD OF OZ REISSUE IN 1953.
We went to Church by ourselves in a cab or by bus on Sundays and holydays. Mom just couldnt function alone but never remarried. Dad was in Kansas at Ft. Leavenworth as he was an MP. Saw him once in 5 to 7 yrs.
TV was the biggee. In 1952 for IKE'S NOMINATION AND ELECTION. We got to go home from school to watch. AND SHOWS--ONLY 4 CHANNELS IN 1953. At least its all we had--4,6,7,8 &13. That is 5. 7 was Dayton, on house outside aerial. Lucky, I guess.
We had cats & dogs, a garage and a bicycle and big back yard . I was youngest. We went to films every weekend. Pool in. summer everyday . not well off. Had grandma. Mom rented her house. We visited relatives in Indy and Marion, Ind. It was still lonely. And you walked everywhere, even to school. No bus at door. Mom got a car in 1953 . In some ways good, in others it was sucky. And our parents only divorced ones then.
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Simon Archbold as far as AH goes, when you are talking "elimination" of whole ethnic groups and using specious theories, it isnt what Id call a great philosophical work.
He just catered to those who thought might was right and felt they had been cheated out of winning WW1 and were stabbed in back.--nonsense!
Im sure he thought he was cheated out of WW2 as well, but how about 10s of millions who had no choice, who really just wanted an honest job and decent family life? He did think his opinion was the only right one, rationalizing that it was others' faults when his ideas failed; plus lying about his past, expecting others to share all theirs. He was the epitome of hypocritical, tyrannical, genocidal leader.
I dont need Mein Kampf to know about him. His escapades and decisions, laws he forced past, people he installed like Himmler and Heydrich, Goring and Goebbels, and the deathcamps plus his repetitively shallow speeches in my half dozen or more documentaries tell me he was a ruthless person with little mercy for very few of his victims.
Many men are abused. Most
dont create industrialized death factories or start world wars. He was an evil dude! HITLER WAS SATAN'S UNDERSTUDY AND PROTEGE!
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The boy in the striped pjs is a Holocaust film. What was done there is simply sick and not human.Holocaust film or nit the commandant son getting gassed may not have hap,ened. It doesnt make it right or better. but THE YOUNG LIONS is a war film IN B&W.
Marlin Brando is a Wehrmacht officer always faced with brutality, and he won't just kill people because they arent Germans; however, Dean Martin and Montgomery Clift--Noah Ackerman, who is a Jewish American, & Italian American GI, are faced with real battles daily once overseas in Europe.
I'd seen it but forgot the kicker ending.
So, killing is pretty much part of war films, but Holocaust is excruciating.
The Young Lions was simply war; of course this ending would happen! And it kind of made me mad, but I almost expected it. If I told it, it would be a spoiler.
They show all three soldiers at home, in Paris. Brando finally goes awol with a Wehrmacht photographer. You see, they had interpreters, photographers, journalists, Einsatzgruppen and SS.
I almost think they could have won the war except for so much involvement in persecuting civilians. Maybe its why so many of those ideological wars fail--eventually. And firebombing and nukes are the development of WMD. And overtime, they end up as used like ABomb was and may be again.
But powerful tyrants or not so powerful dont think necessarily of consequences. If radical, only perhaps of their goal for their ideology. So, in the end, you know what may happen to us all.
I understand why the bombs were dropped. But however justifiable, could there have been another way? I HONESTLY DONT KNOW.
If the Bushido and Nazi and fascism and Atheistic Communism could have been stopped--maybe. It seems there are always tyrannys. Always!
As a documentary host said war is insane, but it seems it is how Man will end his existence!
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@salingstuff8085 NO!. ABSOLUTELY NOT! The people in occupied Countries, whether in camps or not, were rationed so that the German military were fed. In at least 3 documentaries you can see how rationing went for even German or American civilians; however, while not as strict on Aryan civilians, the Nazis starved concentration camp and deathcamp inmates intentionally. You can see that in the film ESCAPE FROM SOBIBOR which Is the true story of how with a great deal of help from USSR pows the Jewish inmates made an escape from the camp of 600 people. 350 got away but 300 were recaptured and murdered.
There are survivor testimonies that certify that in 1944 when they were taken on forced marches, anyone who tried to stop to even pick up snow for thirst or tried to eat was killed. Even for stopping.
The Nazis gorged themselves so that inmates called them pigs.
Nazis would not let them eat but the meagerest of one watery soup and a notoriously inadequately in nutrients bread to stay alive if laborers for about 90 days. More than
99% were murdered on arrival by gas in the showers and people were fooled until & if sondercommandoes found their relatives' clothing in sorting through what was removed by others. Which was gold, in jewelry or fillings of teeth, glasses, money, shoes, clothes, pictures and anything else the Jews or others brought in suitcases.
To say it was bombing or anything else that was done by allies is naive because the reason for the camps particularly outside Germany proper had always been to kill the inmates whether Jewish or other while cobcealing much of it from them from 1941.
Hitler was not a pan religionist nor Catholic nor Jew but a man whose only religion really involved himself as messiah. He tolerated religions but his intention toward all non Aryans or religious Europeans as well as Muslims was to dismiss their religions when it was convenient by steps. He wanted the pope dead as well as Protestant clergy and bishops; and he incarcerated and murdered 450,000 Catholics; large numbers of other religious members of churches, using Churches in Germany for either Hitler shrines or as warehouses elsewhere particularly.
Since they perpetrated murders by hundreds or thousands or even 10s of thousands by shooting, why would SS & other Nazis bother worrying about food too much. They didn't.
Allies didnt want to believe this either. Jews tried to think otherwise even as wholesale slaughters went on in ghettoes, camps. etc.
See Schindlers List or Schindler's Ark--book and even without poetic license what Amon Gothe the Commandant did that was as in the film. Klaus Barbie skinned people alive and starved and hung Jews and dissidents most cruelly. His own family became less than friendly toward him.
Nazis were not normal psychologically after decade and half of exposure to Nazi racial theory and institutionalized terror..
Jews were capitalist/communist world controllers to them, who lost WW1 for germans--irrationally. Non Aryans were subhumans as were the sick & disabled.
Read what AH thought in Mein Kampf or Rise and Fall of the Third Reich or any witness testimony. Hitler deserves no benefit of any doubt however well intentioned.
You are deluded in the extreme if you think Hitler was somehow undermined. He was a horrendous bigot and opportunist . i am not Jewish but using an Amish Austrian Swiss name.
Where you got all your info from??? Must be from the fascistic, Nazi Holocaust denyers' handbook. That is the worst I've heard in 50 plus years of hearing tripe.
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IF LIFE WERE A BIG JOKE, NOONE WOULD GET IT.
MAIN TROUBLE WITH IT IS OVER TIME IT CAN MAKE EVEN THE BEST OF US CYNICAL DUE TO ITS SCOPE. AND DIVERSITY OF OUTCOMES. IT ISNT AS THOUGH IF WE ARE GOOD, EVERYTHING GOOD KEEPS HAPPENING.
OFTEN BAD THINGS HAPPEN OVER WHICH WE HAVE LITTLE CONTROL.
EVEN BIBLICALLY WE WERENT PROMISED UNENDING HAPPINESS IN THIS WORLD.
SOME GET IT. IT DOES SEEM UNFAIR. TO THOSE WHO DONT.LOOK AT POOR JOB.
THE LONGER I LIVE, THE LESS I REALIZE I KNOW.
THAT IS WHERE FAITH COMES IN. I DO NOT SAY, HOWEVER, THAT IT IS EASY. SOMETIMES IT TAKES THE BREATHE RIGHT OUT OF YOU,CRIPPLING DISEASE, DEATHS OF LOVED ONES, ECONOMIC LOSS, WARS AND DEVASTATION.
PRAYER & MEDITATION MIGHT BE YOUR ONLY SOLACE.
TO SURVIVE, I PERSONALLY BELIEVE IT HELPS--NOT ALWAYS AT THE MOMENT AND IT CAN BE A LONG DRY RUN TIL IT PAYS OFF. ONE MUST STAY THE COURSE, AS IN A MARATHON. YOU MUST AT LEAST FINISH.
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