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Comments by "Helen Trope" (@heliotropezzz333) on "London mosque turned into pop-up Covid vaccination centre" video.
Do some research. It takes time (weeks) for a whole age group to be vaccinated. Then it takes about 10 days after vaccination for antibodies to start being produced and maximum protection is not achieved until 10 days after the second dose is given and the second dose is given12 weeks after the first. Do the maths!
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@timmarsh8902 Who has been saying that they might not need a second jab?
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@Lee Davies I think you must be talking about the US because in the UK the vaccination being rolled out at the moment is Astra Zeneca (aka the Oxford vaccination). That's the one I just had 2 days ago.12 million people have had it already. Since the virus mutates it will probably end up like the flu vaccine where a vaccine is needed every year. People may still die after having the vaccine if they had Covid already or within 10 days of having the vaccine because antibodies don't begin to be made for about 10 days, and a second dose of the vaccine is needed for maximum protection. I don't think Astra Zeneca has polyethylene glycol which I think is the ingredient that is most blamed for some allergic reactions to the Pfizer and Moderna vaccinations. I've been reading up on that.
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@Chaz Jankel More people would die without a lockdown because if hospitals become overwhelmed they would not be able to treat all Covid patients in need, or people with other serious conditions either. Hospitals have saved many people's lives so the death toll would be a lot higher without them.
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@Lee Davies That's good. Presumably they've been able to make inroads into waiting lists for other serious illnesses then. Sadly it's not the case where I live. There are 1000 cancer patients waiting for treatment that has been delayed because of the demands of Covid on hospitals.
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@Lee Davies People would not be allowed into occupied hospital areas to film and I can only speak for myself. I had a cancer operation in June. It was delayed by 3 months because of Covid but what they did was contract with a private hospital nearby to use their facilities for cancer patients to keep cancer and Covid patients apart in different hospitals. So if anyone had wandered into the local NHS hospital they would not have found cancer patients there.
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@Lee Davies You're right that Pfizer is approved for use in the UK also. I just didn't know anyone who's had it. Vaccines don't usually have long term side effects. Name a vaccine that has had long term side effects? It's too early to assess the impact of the vaccines on the spread of the virus because only 12million people have been vaccinated and it takes 10 days to start building antibodies and for maximum protection a second vaccine is needed before 12 weeks after the first one. Astra Zeneca is said not to work as well against mild and moderate cases of the South African strain according to a South African study but the study numbers were small and didn't include many severe cases in the elderly who are the most vulnerable group. In any case there aren't many cases of the South African variant in the UK and vigorous attempts are being made to keep those numbers low.
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@Lee Davies That's your choice. I guess eventually the vaccine will be an annual one for people over a certain age or with health conditions that make them vulnerable. No one's forced to have it but take up has been high in the UK in the age groups that have been offered it so far. I can't afford to get antibodies by getting Covid because the disease itself would likely kill me. Nothing in life is risk free and we all have to die sometime but vaccinations over history have reduced the death toll in the population (along with better food and sanitation). When I was born the population of the world was 2.7 billion. Like many in my generation I grew up having a number of vaccines and vaccination spread around the world. The world population is now over 7 billion. Science and medicine have helped a lot in reducing deaths.
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@Lee Davies I'm old enough to take the risk on the long term. As someone once said 'in the long term we're all dead'. I've just looked it up. The Astra Zeneca vaccine (which I had) is not mRNA based. This is how it works' At the heart of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine is a virus that causes the common cold in chimpanzees. The chimp virus is modified so it cannot multiply and cause disease in the body. It is then loaded up with the gene for the coronavirus spike protein, the club-shaped part that dots the surface of the virus and is used to penetrate human cells.' As I understand it it uses and delivers part of the Covid virus, but not the part that makes you ill, but a part that can ensure your body recognises the virus. If you caught Covid you'd have the whole virus in you anyway, and most people recover so I don't see the harm in having an impotent part of the virus injected.
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