Comments by "Helen Trope" (@heliotropezzz333) on "Peter Hitchens coronavirus interview: Is the government lockdown reasonable?" video.

Peter Hitchens is a self admitted controversialist. He earns his living by saying the opposite to what most people say or agreed wisdom. It keeps him in demand and in the public eye, but on this issue his views are dangerous. You can't tackle a virus 'with proportion'. A virus doesn't understand or respect 'proportion'. Anyone who doesn't believe that lockdown is necessary should watch this video about the Spanish flu in 1918. If you thought this pandemic was bad, imagine undergoing worse, with less precaution, and trying to fight a war at the same time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDY5COg2P2c&list=LLGGEn5ziDGQqNRr1m3pwHBg&index=2&t=0s
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I saw an interview with Peter Hitchens one time in a magazine where the interviewer started pointing out the lack of logic in his views, and he admitted to her that he adopted contrarian views just because it gave him a living. It's very dangerous to do that in this situation though. People's lives are more important than his ability to stay in the limelight and earn his living. Listen to the scientists and the medics, not a b*llsh*tter.
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@barnabylowe1239 Well Spanish flu was very infectious, just like Covid 19 and was spread quickly by people movements, along railway stops, on troop trains and ships and by a big public rally in Philadelphia for instance so it shows what would happen with Covid, if there was no lockdown. The only US city to avoid Spanish flu was the one that locked down earliest, San Francisco, though they caught another wave after they were clear of the first because they thought it was over. There were about 3 waves of the Spanish Flu virus, which mutated, and it did not originate in Spain but Spain was open about reporting it because, unlike many other countries they were not at war at the time and not censoring bad news. It killed 8 million people in Spain. The main difference between Spanish flu and Covid is that Spanish flu was even more severe and often killed within 12-24 hours. Blood also issued from people's eyes, noses and mouths.
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Jeremy Horne No. This is what's happening today in a city that resisted lockdown for a while. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JzzNpgqNd8
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@ruthbashford3176 I have been doing research. The general population is not immune to Covid 19. Here a consultant on the front line in Wales explains how all of his patients in Intensive Care Units are aged 50 or under and he's talking about people mostly with no underlying disease. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejlbCmRJMW4&list=FLGGEn5ziDGQqNRr1m3pwHBg&index=3&t=23s
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@ub2bn No, sorry, it was quite some time ago and the interviewer wasn't someone famous, not famous to me anyway. I hardly read magazines except in a dentist's or doctor's waiting room. I wouldn't forget Peter's name. My husband went to school with him.
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@ub2bn From everything I've read (and I don't read clickbait) and from what I've read about how the virus spreads, being 'proportionate' in terms of lockdown or other measures, as Peter Hitchens suggests, would not work. Maybe if, in the beginning, we had enough tests to ensure we knew who had the virus and who they'd all been in contact with, it might have worked, but there were never enough tests in the beginning (there still aren't now) and once the spread escalates, it quickly gets beyond any possibility of controlling it with testing and tracing alone.
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@ub2bn Your comment fails to understand that by not quarantining those who you think are not in danger, you are putting others in danger because they may share accommodation and because it's not possible to be completely sure who's in danger and who isn't . We were told only old people and the vulnerable were in danger but younger people with no obvious health issues are also dying from Covid 19.
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@johng1634 do you remember every magazine you've read at the dentist's some years ago? It was the content of the article that I remembered because it interested me because his admission was so startling. Believe what you want or what you don't want. I prefer to follow the advice of experts derived from science. Otherwise you get this sort of thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NezEbDx4B9A&list=FLGGEn5ziDGQqNRr1m3pwHBg&index=3&t=9s
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@ruthbashford3176 The reason for that was that they didn't have enough PPE. 'Hospitals go it alone on coronavirus protective equipment as ...www.telegraph.co.uk › news › 2020/03/29 › hospitals-go-alone-issue-... 29 Mar 2020 - Doctors and nurses should not be forced to treat coronavirus patients ... that the NHS has enough PPE and that any shortages are as a result of ... “It's clear they downgraded the guidance to mask the fact that there isn't enough PPE”. ... Coronavirus: the next 100 days - the future of UK, the economy and our ... '
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@ub2bn In the Spanish flu, the only US city to escape the devastation was San Francisco as they locked down early. However they did get caught by a later wave, after they thought they were safe, as the virus mutated. I agree that earlier protocols such as testing,tracing contacts issuing protective gear and closing borders or checking everyone who came through them might have saved us from lockdown, possibly. I think airplanes carried it around the world very quickly.
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@ub2bn One similarity with the Spanish flu is the way it was spread, via close contact, but via railways and troopships instead of airplanes. We were still involved in WWI.
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@johng1634 I wasn't a Hillary supporter as such. I live in the UK. I never believed that Iraq had WMD because there was evidence that the report in the UK that said it had been tinkered with to beef it up, and it didn't originally say that. I do believe Assad gassed his own people. There was evidence of the patients suffering in hospital and Assad is a nasty piece of work. Accounts emerged from Syria of children being tortured in front of their parents and he had a reputations for torture before the civil war broke out. That's generally why people rebelled against Assad including some soldiers in his army. He targeted the tribal/ethnic groups that were not his own, much like Saddam Hussein targeted and gassed the Kurds in Iraq. Of course the footage was shot by anti- Assad rebels. Those victims were not going to get treatment in areas controlled by Assad and they didn't live in areas controlled by Assad. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_chemical_weapons_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War
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@collisjeanette1019 I'm sure he'd be pleased to hear that.
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@johng1634 Well believe what you want. Reality will come to bite you or loved ones on the bum if you don't take care and listen to experts. It's not my job to protect you. As for the Assad chemical weapons videos, if they are fake, those child actors are the best I've ever seen at giving a realistic performances of choking, gasping for air and dying.
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@johng1634 My God you really go to extremes to deny what Assad was up to, and you're determined that your interpretation is right. Believe what you choose. I'm not going to waste any more time on trying to convince you.
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