Comments by "18rabbit" (@18_rabbit) on "ZOE" channel.

i've certainly heard that that's the case. And my grandparent siblings had a lot of it in Ireland (i'm a yank half second gen) and they were happy, vibrant till very old and walking many miles following the dogs/sheep until their 90's. Meanwhile we yank imports were dead by 75 if not younger, even tho healthy living, no toxins including alchohol. Yet cancer. So, yeah-- very interesting indeed. I've seen many o ther examples of heavy healthy fat diets that have led to long happy lives, and i've seen opposite in ppl who didn't have those high dairy fat diets. So i'm very unsold on oil spreads and vege oil generally except for olive oil of course, in moderation so it doesn't crowd out healthy nutrition food cal's. And over 40, we must control vege oil intake, be it straigh or cooking or restaurant or processed foods. Vege oil is a real problem bcuz it reduces your total nutritinal intake which is a real thing after 40 or 50 y.o..
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@lisadefries6718 avocado oil is even superior to coconut , and far healthier from what i gather.
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at first glance i'd tend to agree-- bcuz u r talking low amounts, BUT it may also depend on how much you move /exercise daily and maybe your age too, as to whether added sugar in a savory meal is smart/unsmart to have. To me, using fruit instead, is infinitely better. And such aspects relate to how sugar is a problem partly bcuz it crowds out other essential things we like, such as fruit or it crowds out essential nutrients/cal's like from protein or healthy fat. That said, from a scientist (hiiigh level genius one at that, who had like several Phd's in metabolic sci's) book i was reading, the modified sugars are far far far worse than actual sugar: and that any added: dextrose, maltose, etc, and the artifical sweeteners like xylitol etc. Even stevia may be implicated by now, i'm not sure. But he plainly stated as do many other experts that diet sodas may have been part of the cause of all of our problems in the Western diet. All about messing with how the gut/mind feels re the intake, which is the topic that Spector talks about in many if not most of his talks here , re poor quality foods and highly processed foods
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@mrscpc1918 completely 'reductionist' to use one of his terms. Utterly wrong, considering that even rich foods, at the right 'dose', are very healthy, such as cheese and other dairy CAN be. E.g. the 'mass produced' irish butter keerygold, is very rich in omega. NZealnd produces a huge amt of the dairy for the world. Learn some thing about dairy--it's a vital food, that i tried for a decade to heavily reduce, only to become malnourished when i relied on other nutritious things including masses of plant based foods, but there is a limit for me and for maaaany maaany ppl. Stop the religionizing of food, which is a personal and personalizable thing, as this co shows.
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right, AND the main responsibility of gvt is public safety/well-being, and arguably they are definitely NOT protecting ppl from the intentionally over-complicated problem of choosing the grocery store foods, bcuz the makers intentinally make it confusing to tell truely decent foods from ULTRA processed ones. THIS is the issue. Gvt's main function is public safety and protection, and lowering ultimate costs in the long run to society which this is entirely related to!!!!!
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interestingly though, i believe the Nap. Bonaparte' was instrumental in the first processed foods ie preserved and canned and it was largely why he was succesful, ie he could sustain his troops and others could not sustain theirs , foodwise. The french, in my opinion, have a keen sense of food and how food satisfies, including packaged foods that are reltaively processed, and do this infinitely better than other countries including germany, UK maybe, and defiitely my country the USa.
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@raksha1940 yeah that's bcuz its a super healthy fat and is widely known to be one of the superfood ways to get calories, fiber, etc etc. And like many things including nuts, the caloric intake appears to be very self limiting ie it's hard to eat too much bcuz the sense of having had enough ends up giving us not too many calories. This is true for many things that aren't highly processed. What is highly processed is pure oils.
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@rezzieggg one of their vid's iirc deals w/ how nuts or even grinding our own nuts at home, is far lower cal's than a nut butter ,ie that is sold that way and therefore had used a commerical grinder. We're talking about 30-over 50% fewer cal's when not commercially ground! Just amazing. Plus the fibers in nuts that we chew, are soooo sooo valuable to us ,along w / the other nutrients.
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@Torpidity and @ mispenei nailed it for ya and i entirely agree with them! Also i would not say greek yogurt is bitter at all! Some brands of it are sour-ish like a lot of unsweeteened yogurt but having it with other food can eliminate that sourness/acidity entirely so it's literally not an issue. (this relates to one major fundamental error in ppl's eating: not pairing or mixing things while u eat them, ie 'this with that' for the 'right' taste, ie right gut effect /feeling. With your goals of bodyfat loss, u can do a bit of each, not entirely eliminating the low fat fake-ish foods, but just reducing them to a much smaller total part of either cal's or maybe it's 'volume' or whatever causes sense of satiety. The shakes are a real problem when the canned type so i'd not have them everyday, if at all possible. Also some i think are far better than others. When i was 20, i had some of my grandfather's Ensure and looooved it!. By age 40 when on a camping trip, had some and it upset my gut a bit i was really surprised bcuz my gut is very robust, can eat ANYthing really. But other brands like the main one at Costco stores i think it was, Premier or somesuch, very generic looking is great. But i think it's quite unhealthy, especially if we're not very physically active. All the experts agree that if vegetarian, eggs are fundamental, and cheese, if not too heavy and not eaten too much, is very healthy, the fatty acid chains in it are entirely differnt from that of the other dairy fats and meat fats
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nailed it! here in the US, the foods like mayo or mayo-substitute which was our "Miracle Whip" which actually has a tiny bit of sugar and less fat than Mayo, is massively part of the problem: bcuz of the processing and mainly probably bcuz it's empty calories in form of generic veg oil. What i've figured out is we have to made our own stuff like that, or dilute our easy to get products like Mayo by adding a lot of ground nuts, some vegetables and legumes ground up, etc. We can easily make an unhealthy food about 10,000 heathier just by adding some things to it. Though far better to entirely make your own like you are doing. One super hack: raw egg yolk is one of the healthiest foods on the planet, bcuz keeping it raw means it retains a very rare and one-of-a-kind property which is extraordinarily anti-inflammatory, probaly the only such food easily obtainable.
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those numbers including the butter/spread rate of eating, are useful only if u also state your age.
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precisely! Even a lot of cheap frozen OJ is very decent. As is some non-reconstituted containers sold at stores-- when not drunk in high quantities is orders of magnitude better for the gut and brain than a coke. A coke/pepsi/sevenup/sprite/etc can be a rare treat in hot weather maybe for those who burn a megaton of cal's on that day or that week, bcuz moving a lot, physical work. Entirely interconnected issues/aspects
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ironically, seems like some of us Yanks have been ahead of the curve, if all of this is this seemingly new to the Brits..? Kinda surprised.
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@samburrell3288 no it' snot crappy but i see why u r saying that. I.e it's not able to do thumbnail sketches or birds eye views, ie macro picture. That said it can be useful for those with e.g. high cholesterol, to know these factors.
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word to the wise re Philadelphia (kraft heinz i believe) 'cream cheese' sold in the US. It may be differnt from that made for the UK mkt. Here in the U.S. the ingredients list is very unimpressive from a nutritional angle and from a bacterial angle and enzymes. Namely it uses cream, not milk, so it's one of the most processsed foods in the entire typical US dietary spectrum. I loved it 40 yrs ago as a child and hate it now! Ffs, if u r in the U.K. u can probably get fresh cream cheese or fresh-ish imported from the continent. We re freaking jealous of you brits, and french of course. To live in FR is heaven in terms of dairy, even their processed yogurt is fantastic in quality! Here in the U.S. we're largely still stuck in the past, with a few ultra high end dairy items for ridiculous money that even the wealthy rarely will buy. (we also have a 38% obesity rate among men, and e.g. black women have a 50% obesity rate. We have issues here)
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except, that's totall bogus! Olive oil is great to cook with, at least at not too high temp's like on stove, and avocado oil can even be baked at quite high temp with. @loot6
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yeah that was impresion too but it entirely depends on how high your stove temp is for frying: many can do it with medium heat with olive oil, apparently and i have done so. Depends also on how high. Also baking meats with olive oil is fine, thus it's normal to moiston the beef, lamb, chicken with oolive oil before broiling/baking etc.
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interesting for sure. Sure seems that all this engineering should also create a lower total oil type margarine so that e.g. half the cal's would be the total. Otherwise it's just more useless or empty-ish calories; with lower calorie spread, then we have more appetite/stomach space for nutrition like more protein or non protein : plant-based, egg, meat, fish ie. NUTRITION!
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I'm an urban american in a healthy-ish minded medium/large city / metro-area, who was a child in the '70s when the 'junk' food insdustry was starting to get highly sophisticated apparently, namely sugared stuff of course, but also what McDonald's was selling. What's fascinating about chips, is that they're not all created equal and it's very complicated to get into! Basic potato chips that could be made with olive oil and not too much of it, could be decent. Personally, i do love some of the chip type snacks but i avoid them now that i'm middle aged and did so increasingly in my late thirties on. I also realized that anything with cheap vege oil was empty anti-nutrition food, particularly when not burning a ton fo cal's on a weekly basis, by exercising (was not always exercising, it was intermittent really like it is for most ppl possibly). Anyway, many chips are loaded with additives and reconstructed physicaly , like corn chips, which ironically, if made well, can be ok-ish for health, but only in very limited quantities probably (same issue though to my mind, ie basic veg oil is what even the best healthiest version uses, and therefore i stopped eating them. Most breads are technially far healthier, based on my understanding. That's how bad chips tend to be. That said, it's all about quantity.
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@whiterose6635 that's right! cream cheese is a classic insidious one and to me it's fascinating. Because we can buy real cheese and kinda make our own quick cream cheese by mixing it with some other things (i experiment all the time in a bowl by combining various foods and in ways that even kids would like very much). The gums really are a problem to my surprise, and my gen, midlifers and all those up to about 75 i guess, have had LOADs of them all our lives up till the past 15-20 when whole foods starting becoming the well known goal
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yep! and one of those intrinsic bene's is the feeling of bodily satisfaction or homeo statis, which leads to not later seeking yet differnt/better /more food and/or perhaps eating too much in total-time ie over the next days/week. So yeah i think many of these studies are just all wet, they are not necessarily able to see what happens over a three month or half a year even.
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