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The media are largely to blame for our situation. They should report with plurality and challenge government misinformation. Workers produce the goods, build the houses, build the roads, transport the goods, heal the sick, repair what's broken, provide the services, work out the balance sheets, fight the wars, manage, clean and protect society. We provide the dual roles in the economy of worker/taxpayer, producer and consumer, service provider and service user. We are collateral, cannon fodder and consumers. Why do we live in poverty while the rich siphon our taxes and provide little use to society?
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I think we as workers need to understand the power we have. Workers produce the goods, build the houses, build the roads, transport the goods, heal the sick, repair what's broken, provide the services, work out the balance sheets, fight the wars, manage, clean and protect society. We provide the dual roles in the economy of worker and taxpayer, producer and consumer, service provider and service user. We are collateral, taxpayers, cannon fodder and consumers. Why should we live in poverty while the Tories siphon our taxes and provide little use to society? We are tied to debt, mortgages, jobs, car finance agreements, bills, looking after our children etc and these things make us unwilling to take real action such as national strikes. But in reality, we allow these short-term problems to rob the next generation of even more freedoms and opportunities. Thanks for the video Gary, I think it's important to expose the big picture to as many people as possible.
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Tories are so self-centred. We all work for our money it's not all our money, we have to pay taxes to pay for the infrastructure like roads, hospitals, car parks, housing, surgeries, bridges, communication networks, energy facilities, politicians' wages and the administration of a nation. And no Tories are not going to win the next election, while many seem to suffer from Stockholm Syndrome, most of us do not.
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Solidarity with all striking workers and my sincere hope we all get the wages we need to live! Workers produce the goods, build the houses, build the roads, transport the goods, heal the sick, repair what's broken, provide the services, work out the balance sheets, fight the wars, manage, clean and protect society. We provide the dual roles in the economy of worker/taxpayer, producer and consumer, service provider and service user. We are collateral, cannon fodder and consumers. Why do we live in poverty while the rich siphon our taxes and provide little use to society?
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Workers produce the goods, build the houses, build the roads, transport the goods, heal the sick, repair what's broken, provide the services, work out the balance sheets, fight the wars, manage, clean and protect society. We provide the dual roles in the economy of worker/taxpayer, producer and consumer, service provider and service user. We are collateral, cannon fodder and consumers. Why do we live in poverty while the rich siphon our taxes and provide little use to society?
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I'm a mixed breed of many European and global cultures as are the majority of Brits according to DNA results. Our culture includes Tea and Curries from India, Chinese takeaways, Greek kebabs, Bavarian Beer, and Christian ethics from the Middle East thanks to some bloke named Jesus. We had Ska and Two-tone music thanks to the Caribbean/Jamaican influence. Mesopotamian numeracy and currency, Greek Democracy, and several contributions from the Romans including straight roads, hypocausts, irrigation, the aqueduct, sanitation etc. The ship sailed on multiculturalism genetically, culturally and literally centuries ago when we invented boats...
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Agreed, we will consume ourselves to extinction. Workers produce the goods, build the houses, build the roads, transport the goods, heal the sick, repair what's broken, provide the services, work out the balance sheets, fight the wars, manage, clean and protect society. We provide the dual roles in the economy of worker/taxpayer, producer and consumer, service provider and service user. We are collateral, cannon fodder and consumers. Why do we live in poverty while the rich siphon our taxes and provide little use to society?
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But are Kulture!!! Our culture includes Tea and Curries from India, Chinese takeaways, Greek kebabs, Bavarian Beer, and Christian ethics from the Middle East thanks to some bloke named Jesus. We had Ska and Two-tone music thanks to the Caribbean/Jamaican influence. Mesopotamian numeracy and currency, Greek Democracy, and several contributions from the Romans including strait roads, hypocausts, irrigation, the aqueduct, sanitation etc. The ship sailed on multiculturalism genetically, culturally and literally centuries ago when we invented boats...
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Go out, Stay in, Wear a Mask, Don't Wear a Mask, Go to Work, Don't go to Work, Exercise, Don't Exercise, Go shopping, Don't go shopping, Stay 2 meters away from people-unless they live or work with you or are really hot!
Be sure to check multiple clauses.
What could be simpler?
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Full poem here:
"For the profit they cherish, we perish.
While children with illness we could cure,
Had the funds been in place, in each case;
Lie in cold beds on freezing damp floors.
While crime grows, it seems treason is the reason,
This corruption continues to cause rot.
The Tory's weak stories excuse these dire crises,
As they pilfer from the workers' slim pot.
As the resources to fix all these problems,
Escape to bloated accounts far offshore.
From food banks, we feed, as poverty caused by greed
continues to grow, does it not?
So what good could the censors accomplish?
As they silence complaints we have in scores.
While gaslit by the papers, the victim's lives taper
into years less than their hard work should accord.
If we seek to change our Union for the better
The green lands we adore; they have scorned,
Challenge this foul administration, that governs our nations.
And stop this waged war on the poor..."
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@helphelpimbeingrepressed9347 Yea alright, but apart from dragging us out of the slums and workhouses, Nationalising the Bank of England, Coal, Steel, Gas and other industries. The welfare state, the NHS, free education, public libraries, national parks, public transport, legal aid, human rights and workers' rights what has Labour ever done for us?
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@knackeredmedic8187 lol, true although I'm not a fan of Blair, I left Labour when he dropped clause 4. But we should look at this from the other side to be fair.
But apart from Brexit, Grenfell, Economic Euthanasia, Disabled Vilification, Election Fraud, Contempt of Parliament, Windrush Scandal, WASPI, Working Poverty, Homeless Crisis, Hostile Env, Food Banks, Universal Credit, NHS Crisis, Austerity, Incompetent handling of the Pandemic and wasting billions via Cronyism, Corruption and Fraud what have the Tories ever done for us?
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@davidbishopbishop4664 Agreed on many points. Some options include an ideological shift through education and agitation, strikes don't need to be damaging, they just have to be used effectively, enforcing criminal proceedings against corrupt MPs, marching, unity and if necessary uprising, enforcing plurality of the media. Then we tax wealth, the investor class, inherited wealth, close tax loopholes, and renationalise industries such as energy, communications, transport etc. As I said things will only get worse we have little to lose in the long run. We are heading for a dystopian corporatocracy. The longer we wait the harder it gets and the more legislation is put in place to block us.
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@danielwebb8402 They don't have a home, almost 300,000 have to rely on awful box rooms while their children suffer hunger and deprivation. Just because they have a roof does not mean they aren't homeless. We have 22% of the population in poverty and we paid £120.1 billion in subsidies alone to corporations in 2021, those corporations also get tax breaks, loopholes, grants, bailouts from taxpayer money. Those corporations also cost us £40-120 billion per annum in unpaid taxes via the tax gap. Professional statistician - you mean you work for the ONS producing statistics with narrow focuses, misleading language and dodgy timelines? I've torn apart many stats for their misuse of phrases and also check the raw data to confirm them. For instance, we had a population of 67 million during the pandemic and wasted £37 billion a test and trace service that wasn't fit for use. That's £552 per person, which could have bought every man, woman and child solid gold medical trackers...
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Cheers, Gary. Every crisis is an opportunity for the wealthy. During the first round of austerity, the wealthiest families in Britain doubled their assets. At the cost of 160,000 excess deaths in the NHS alone, in fact, a recent article states "Austerity may have caused an additional 335,000 deaths in Great Britain between 2012 and 2019". Every banking crisis causes bankruptcy for small businesses and increases the problems in society. This means millions of people have to sell their assets, companies, stock, buildings etc at rock-bottom prices. Giving those with disposable wealth the opportunity to buy up all those bargains on the cheap. It seems to me a crisis is only ever a crisis for those without, for those with wealth it's always an opportunity. An opportunity that costs lives.
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UK culture includes Tea and Curries from India, Chinese takeaways, Greek kebabs, Bavarian Beer, Christian ethics from the Middle East thanks to some bloke named Jesus. We had Ska and Two-tone music thanks to the Caribbean/Jamaican influence. Mesopotamian numeracy and currency, Greek Democracy, and several contributions from the Romans including strait roads, hypocausts, irrigation, the aqueduct, sanitation etc. The ship sailed on multiculturalism genetically, culturally and literally centuries ago when we invented boats...
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So why should workers strike and is it fair to ask for reasonable wages that can support your family?
"Well, workers produce the goods, build the houses, build the roads, transport the goods, heal the sick, repair what's broken, provide the services, work out the balance sheets, fight the wars, manage, clean and protect society. We provide the dual roles in the economy of worker and taxpayer, producer and consumer, service provider and service user. We are collateral, taxpayers, cannon fodder and consumers. Why do we live in poverty while the rich siphon our taxes to their offshore accounts and provide little use to society other than investing their inherited wealth for their own profits?"
We are the backbone of industry and the golden goose that lays the golden eggs, our lives get steadily worse as corporations make bumper profits. I stand with the workers!
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Good Luck, Power to the people! Workers produce the goods, build the houses, build the roads, transport the goods, heal the sick, repair what's broken, provide the services, work out the balance sheets, fight the wars, manage, clean and protect society. We provide the dual roles in the economy of worker/taxpayer, producer and consumer, service provider and service user. We are collateral, cannon fodder and consumers. Why do we live in poverty while the rich siphon our taxes and provide little use to society?
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@evolassunglasses4673 lol, I'll point out a few things for your consideration. The average Brit's DNA is about 40% German/Anglo Saxon, about 20% Irish/Celtic, about 9% Scandanavian/Viking and other small amounts including Roman/Italian and Norman/French. The Welsh, Scottish and Irish have about 20% less Anglo Saxon and about 20% more Irish/Celt DNA, with Irish having as much as 50%. The Celts actually came from the Iberian peninsular (Spain/Portugal) around 10,000-15,000 years ago according to DNA evidence found in Ireland. Our culture includes Tea and Curries from India, Chinese takeaways, Greek kebabs, Bavarian Beer, Christian ethics from the Middle East thanks to some bloke named Jesus. We had Ska and Two-tone music thanks to the Caribbean/Jamaican influence. Mesopotamian numeracy and currency, Greek Democracy, and several contributions from the Romans including strait roads, hypocausts, irrigation, the aqueduct, sanitation etc. The ship sailed on multiculturalism genetically, culturally and literally centuries ago when we invented boats...
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@britnatzaredemocracydenier5922 Keir Starmer is not left-wing and is only a slight improvement on the Tories. You're confusing ideology with politics, Starmer represents Centrists, Neoliberalism and corporate lobbyists. Some of us actually follow left-wing ideology - national industry, national bank, welfare for the disabled, temporarily ill and unemployed, free schooling, public libraries, public transport, legal aid, freedom of speech, workers' rights, human rights, healthcare paid for by our taxes and N.I. We are Shepherds...
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@primordialpouch565 No m8, the historical Labour party (before Blair) gave us social housing, the NHS, public transport, nationalised industry, the welfare state, free schooling, public libraries, public transport, legal aid, workers' rights, and human rights. The Tories sold off all the taxpayer-owned national industry leaving us at the mercy of corporate profits. While trying to take away our rights. Ideology makes a huge difference, but these days Stamer's Labour are just Tory-lite...
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Horse Steak Excess death rates affect minorities more as traditionally they are often marginalised by society and so any drop in income is felt more by minorities. Look at the high infant mortality rates of minorities, then guess what effect cuts to the NHS have on those figures. It's like saying everyone is affected equally by Covid, but statistically the disabled, vulnerable and poor take the brunt of mortality rates. Austerity caused 120,000 excess deaths at the same time the most wealthy 1,000 families in Britain doubled their assets. The massive borrowing is mismanaged via cronyism and corruption while most of the money is given to third parties via outsourcing, privatisation, subsidies, corporate welfare. Tories are stealing taxpayers money and it ends up in the off-shore bank accounts of shareholders. As for fiscal policy, the tories are responsible for the creation of over 2/3rds of our National Debt, a debt to GDP ratio of around 100% and the worst damage to our economy via Brexit. Not sure if you've noticed but the UK is the largest enabler of corporate tax losses globally. Tories are fiscally irresponsible, inept and corrupt. Neoliberalism has spiralled debt via its cornerstone policy of privatisation which leads to bailouts, corporate welfare and subsidies. Corporate welfare and Subsidies cost the UK taxpayer over £100 billion a year, which is around 66 times the amount unemployment costs the taxpayer (£1.52 billion in 2019)...
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@evolassunglasses4673 Labour has historically taken us out of the slums with social housing, given us rights, free schooling, free education, public libraries, public parks, free healthcare, legal aid etc. The Tories have reduced or removed many of those gifts. But the modern Labour party since Blair has been run by centrists and backed by corporate lobbyists. This has only happened in the past 3 decades, before that we had real working-class representation. Now we have people like Starmer, a second-rate Blair tribute act. PS Open borders gave us access to Europe, healthcare abroad and jobs abroad so that Brits could travel and work. We had fewer migrants under Labour as part of the EU. Enforcing fair and just migration policies gives us freedom of movement and options to work and live abroad, but we have to accept the other side of that coin.
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@davidhooper1767 Yep the disabled, children, the poor, unemployed, single mothers, teachers, police, the electorate, the EU, Labour, each other the list goes on and on. They are the most despicable example of human treachery known to the world.
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Capitalism: I'm all about a free market and democracy.
Also Capitalism: Bailouts, Lobbyists, Tax havens, Sanctions, Embargoes, Subsidies, Ecological catastrophes, Famine, Monopolies, Burying patents, Resource stockpiling, Built-in obsolescence...
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Chance doesn't come into it, a free market doesn't exist when you have embargoes, tax breaks, subsidies, monopolies, sanctions, creative duties, or mass production of one product in poor countries. Diamonds aren't rare ask De Beers, the market is controlled, we have FIAT currency and Central banking run by a fractional reserve system which creates a $300 trillion global debt which is around 3.5 times global GDP. The Tories do what they're told and profit from their part in an illusion. Democracy has never existed - Lobbyists, special interest groups and corruption prove that.
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Didn't watch the end, can't find the will to be bothered about petty American sensibilities. You have bigger problems to worry about including: War, gun control, far-right, presidential candidates over the past decade or two etc. Pay decent wages, control guns, stop wars, deal with far-right extremists, elect intelligent presidents, improve school system, get free medical care, get public transport stop letting corporate lobbyists control your lives...
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"What feckless leadership the Tories provideth, as they strive with lies and thus divide us.
What food and energy can a working wage buy, when Tory profiteering drains our Country dry?
With hungered belly and empty wallet, houses like ice with frozen toilets,
The workers who provide the hands, that toil so hard across this land,
Are left alone to fend unprotected, while corporate taxes remain uncollected.
As cruelty reigns and poverty encircles the vulnerable and impoverished workers,
'Help' we cry in desperation, while inept Tory policies inspire inflation.
We drown in debt, they drown in champagne, lives shallow, self-serving and vain.
With unity and action direct, the people can stop this cruel neglect.
It's time to stand, as one and shout 'Get those forking Tories out!'..." Steven Parker - Quotes as it was filtered out the first time...
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@jasondevon481 To be fair bro, Our culture includes Tea and Curries from India, Chinese takeaways, Greek kebabs, Bavarian Beer, and Christian ethics from the Middle East thanks to some bloke named Jesus. We had Ska and Two-tone music thanks to the Caribbean/Jamaican influence. Mesopotamian numeracy and currency, Greek Democracy, and several contributions from the Romans including strait roads, hypocausts, irrigation, the aqueduct, sanitation etc. The ship sailed on multiculturalism genetically, culturally and literally centuries ago when we invented boats...
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@budbud2509 They've gone by just over 400% on average in Europe and 560% in the UK. Stats from an article Sept 2021. Privatisation and a cartel we allowed in the UK is our biggest hurdle, leaving us at the mercy of Gas coming into Europe as most of our electricity comes from gas. Iceland, Paraguay, Costa Rica all have 100% renewable energy creation while Ethiopia, Kenya, Namibia, Norway, Tajikistan, and Uruguay are over 90% renewables. As for partial stats, I'll wait until the end of the year, but tax is also generated by the £400 billion in governments bonds that the Tories created, thinning the anaemic pound even further, mostly wasted via cronyism.
We paid 37 billion for an ineffective test and trace system after being offered alternative models for free. That's £37 billion divided by a population of 67 billion, around £550 per person which could have bought us all solid gold medical trackers... Just one example of many...
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@Anita-gp1gv He sounds like he was a good man. My apologies for the following but I have to spread my own tenets of truth as I perceive them.
They should have written "To those who bar their doors to the homeless, to those who build grand artifices to power and wealth, to those who allow children to suffer at the hands of those who should be trusted, to those who give power and blessings to megalomaniacs who war for resources, to those who collect money to enrich their own while many starve, thirst, freeze and live in poverty and distress."
My conversation is always considered and I've read many texts from various religions. A good person remains a good person whether Muslim, Jew, Gentile, Atheist, Mormon, Christian, Hindu, Shinto, Confucian, Buddhist, Catholic, Spiritualist, Agnostic etc.
Anyways, again my apologies for my candor. Take care!
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@4thzone697 I'm not defending China, I'm just pointing out the severity of the restarting of nuclear proliferation, the recent weapon tests globally and troop movements globally for anyone with half a brain can see a new age of warfare is about to hit humanity. Some may say it's already started with cyberattacks, industrial accidents, warehouse fires, internet outages, plane crashes, tanker/oil well fires and beachings and so on. lol, people on social media making up arguments, I made a general comment, no mention of nuclear warheads or the ballistic capabilities of these subs, yet I'm being corrected on things I haven't said...
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@lmy2366 lol I can't argue with illogical nonsense. Using inflation-adjusted figures just shows the fiscal values between the different times. It doesn't cover the cost of living, how rents have doubled in real terms, how food and clothing has increased in price independently of fiscal value. The point being that your analysis is deeply flawed. The reason I know this, is because I lived through it and I'm currently living and so experienced both conditions and so can specifically tell you that one wage could afford the same things that 2 wages now afford a household.
As for the technological advancement, the point was to show how our lives have improved regarding disease treatment, nutritional knowledge, building materials and construction tools, basically, we've moved on from being superstitious peasants who knew next to nothing about maths, physics, geography, biology and so on. With all those advancements, we still can't look after children and the elderly?
The point is obviously the differences between those two specific periods of history. The rate of technological change is irrelevant as any logical person would have realised...
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But apart from Brexit, Grenfell, Economic Euthanasia, Disabled Vilification, Election Fraud, Contempt of Parliament, Windrush Scandal, WASPI, Working Poverty, Homeless Crisis, Hostile Env, Food Banks, Universal Credit, NHS Crisis, Austerity, and crashing the economy during a cost of living crisis what have the Tories ever done for us...
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@mootedtols4865 Definitely! Ivan's terrible. Nothing at all to do with 3 decades of neoliberal policy, greedy shareholders, privatisation, huge national debts, stagnant economy, dodgy bankers, non-doms, tax gap, kleptocrats, lobbyists, poverty gap expansion, loss of trading and procedures when trading with our closest neighbours.
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I enjoyed your recitation, I'm more of a socialist rhyme artist. Parodies-R-us!
"Every worker in Britain liked Christmas a lot.
But the Tories, who lived in luxury, well, they did not!
The Tories dislike Christmas, the giving time season.
And we all know why; their selfishness the reason.
Could it be that their heads aren't screwed on quite right?
Or could it be, perhaps, that their fists are too tight?
But with Tories the most likely reason of all,
Is their freezing cold hearts are a few sizes too small.
Whatever the reason, for their uncharitable views,
They stand there at Christmas, making profits for the few,
Staring down at the Populus with a sour, grouchy frown,
At the poor blighted workers in Britain's cold towns.
For every worker in Britain, they would love to bequeath,
In place of mistletoe a withered old funeral wreath.
"No hanging of stockings!" the Tories doth jeer,
Tomorrow may be Christmas, but the Tories don't care.
They scowl at the thought of a little drummer boy drumming,
So they crashed the economy and stopped Christmas from coming."
By Moi.
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@DropdudeJohn This is the specific and additional, that you seem to have a different version of, as this is dated 2001 I'd say your 1999 edition is out of date if not incomplete or purposely omitting details. Editorial note: UN doc. A/55/383, Nov. 2000. (Summary Conclusions: Article 31 of the 1951 Convention Expert Roundtable organized by the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees and the Graduate Institute of International Studies, Geneva, Switzerland, 8–9 November 2001)
Specific considerations
10. In relation to Article 31(1):
(a) Article 31(1) requires that refugees shall not be penalized solely by reason of unlawful entry or because, being in need of refuge and protection, they remain illegally in a country.
(b) Refugees are not required to have come directly from territories where
their life or freedom was threatened.
(c) Article 31(1) was intended to apply, and has been interpreted to apply,
to persons who have briefly transited other countries or who are unable
to find effective protection in the first country or countries to which
they flee. The drafters only intended that immunity from penalty
should not apply to refugees who found asylum, or who were settled, temporarily or permanently, in another country. The mere fact of
UNHCR being operational in a certain country should not be used as
a decisive argument for the availability of effective protection in that
country.
(d) The intention of the asylum seeker to reach a particular country of destination, for instance for family reunification purposes, is a factor to be
taken into account when assessing whether s/he transited through or
stayed in another country.
(e) Having a well-founded fear of persecution is recognized in itself as
‘good cause’ for illegal entry. To ‘come directly’ from such country via
another country or countries in which s/he is at risk or in which generally no protection is available, is also accepted as ‘good cause’ for illegal
256 Illegal entry (Article 31)
entry. There may, in addition, be other factual circumstances which
constitute ‘good cause’.
(f) ‘Without delay’ is a matter of fact and degree; it depends on the circumstances of the case, including the availability of advice. In this context
it was acknowledged that refugees and asylum seekers have obligations
arising out of Article 2 of the 1951 Convention.
(g) The effective implementation of Article 31 requires that it apply also to
any person who claims to be in need of international protection; consequently, that person is presumptively entitled to receive the provisional
benefit of the no penalties obligation in Article 31 until s/he is found
not to be in need of international protection in a final decision following a fair procedure.
(h) The term ‘penalties’ includes, but is not necessarily limited to, prosecution, fine, and imprisonment.
(i) In principle, a carrier which brings in an ‘undocumented’ passenger
who is subsequently determined to be in need of international protection should not be subject to penalties.
11. In relation to Article 31(2):
(a) For the purposes ofArticle31(2), there is no distinction between restrictions on movement ordered or applied administratively, and those ordered or applied judicially. The power of the State to impose a restriction must be related to a recognized object or purpose, and there must
be a reasonable relationship of proportionality between the end and
the means. Restrictions on movement must not be imposed unlawfully
and arbitrarily.
(b) The detention of refugees and asylum seekers is an exceptional measure and should only be applied in the individual case, where it has
been determined by the appropriate authority to be necessary in light
of the circumstances of the case and on the basis of criteria established
by law in line with international refugee and human rights law. As
such, it should not be applied unlawfully and arbitrarily and only
where it is necessary for the reasons outlined in Executive Committee Conclusion No. 44, in particular for the protection of national security and public order (e.g. risk of absconding). National law and
practice should take full account of the international obligations accepted by States, including through regional and universal human
rights treaties.
(c) Refugees and asylum seekers should not be detained on the ground of
their national, ethnic, racial, or religious origins, or for the purposes of
deterrence.
(d) Initial periods of administrative detention for the purposes of identifying refugees and asylum seekers and of establishing the elements for
their claim to asylum should be minimized. In particular, detention
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should not be extended for the purposes of punishment, ormaintained
where asylum procedures are protracted.
(e) Detention beyond the initial period must be justified on the basis of a
purpose indicated in 11(b) above.
(f) UNHCR Guidelines on Applicable Criteria and Standards Relating to
the Detention of Asylum Seekers provide important guidance. Families and children, in particular, should be treated in accordance with
international standards and children under eighteen ought never to be
detained. Families should in principle not be detained; where this is
the case, they should not be separated.
(g) There is a qualitative difference between detention and other restrictions on freedom of movement. Many States have been able to manage
their asylum systems and their immigration programmes without recourse to physical restraint. Before resorting to detention, alternatives
should always be considered in the individual case. Such alternatives
include reporting and residency requirements, bonds, community supervision, or open centres. These may be explored with the involvement of civil society.
(h) Access to fair and expeditious procedures for the determination of
refugee status, or for determining that effective protection already exists, is an important element in ensuring that refugees are not subject
to arbitrary or prolonged detention.
(i) In terms of procedural safeguards, at a minimum, there should be a
right to review the legality and the necessity of detention before an independent court or tribunal, in accordance with the rule of law and the
principles of due process. Refugees and asylum seekers should be advised of their legal rights, have access to counsel and to national courts
and tribunals, and be enabled to contact the Office of UNHCR.
(j) UNHCR should, upon request, be advised of, and allowed access to, all
cases of detained refugees and asylum seekers.
(k) Where detention is deemed necessary, States should ensure that
refugees and asylum seekers are treated in accordance with international standards. They should not be located in areas or facilities where
their physical safety and well-being are endangered; the use of prisons
should be avoided. Civil society should be involved in monitoring the
conditions of detention.
Additional considerations
12. Non-legal strategies and necessary follow-up are also critical. These include the preparation and dissemination of instructions to relevant levels
of government and administration on the implementation of Article 31,
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training, and capacity building. Particular attention should be given to ensuring that strategies and actions taken by States do not serve to exacerbate racist or xenophobic perceptions, behaviour, or attitudes.
13. States should maintain accurate records of all cases where refugees and
asylum seekers are detained or where their movement is otherwise restricted, should publish statistical data of such detention and restrictions
on movement, and should regularly inform UNHCR of cases of detained
refugees and asylum seekers pursuant to their obligation under Article 35
of the Convention.
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@T5Zplayer The modern digital age was launched by human ingenuity and invention. Vodafone, Lotus and Dyson were private industries and were never nationalised, although Vodafone did take advantage of taxpayer infrastructure. You seem to have flawed logic. The steel industry was wrecked by Thatcher who closed the coal mines, iron processing plants, steel plants and canal networks that were used for transports. Your tangential irrelevant points are redundant as is your reliance on opinion. Before privatisation our debt to GDP was around 40% or less, it's now over 100% because private industry is dipping their hands in the public finances aided by Tory legislation. While also avoiding tax, leaving the burden on the taxpayer. There are a plethora of articles which prove the water, energy, telecoms, mail, transport, railways and many other nationalised industries lost efficiency and increased costs after being privatised. I'm not interested in constantly providing facts to rebut your repetitive opinions over and over...
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@evolassunglasses4673 lol sure buddy. Our culture includes Tea and Curries from India, Chinese takeaways, Greek kebabs, Bavarian Beer, Christian ethics from the Middle East thanks to some bloke named Jesus. We had Ska and Two-tone music thanks to the Caribbean/Jamaican influence. Mesopotamian numeracy and currency, Greek Democracy, and several contributions from the Romans including strait roads, hypocausts, irrigation, the aqueduct, sanitation etc. The ship sailed on multiculturalism genetically, culturally and literally centuries ago when we invented boats...
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It seems YT doesn't like facts too much. Two of my posts were filtered out. "The US has the most police globally, the most incarcerated citizens globally and yet also has the highest number of reported rapes and murders in the world. The US also has the highest number of people who use illegal drugs, and the highest number of people on pharmaceutical drugs. You have had at least 120 mass shootings in the last two decades and have the most adult illiteracy of any wealthy country. I could go on, but you seem delusional. You still haven't managed to get my point, you deny systemic racism. So yea, cognitive dissonance is strong with you Americans. I'll let you get back to dreaming... PS over 36 million Americans live in poverty and it's increasing by several million per annum. China have removed over 100 million of its citizens from poverty in the last few decades and owns 11.5% of US foreign debt. Shall we talk about the 440,000 tons of pesticides that America uses per annum, only second to China in the use of pollutants. The use of over 330 million of pounds of pesticides per annum that are banned in the EU?
Did I mention America has been at war for 227 of its 245 years as a nation (Since 1776)? You also as a nation have exported a system, of debt slavery around the world that started with the Fed Reserve in 1913. Using Fractional Reserve Banking and FIAT currency global debts are now around $300 trillion which is around 4x global GDP. Shall we go on to talk about America infecting its own citizens with isotopes, poison, syphilis and so on? Shall we also discuss America's interventions in S.America or the occupation of Hawaii, Costa Rica etc? There are only 3 countries in the world that America hasn't invaded. So please don't start with me about freedom and democracy, you don't have them and never have!"
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@Ass_of_Amalek lol stop, you guys are the best, I haven't laughed so much in ages. They only need to increase the available water supply, it's not like they don't have any. It's already working in places all over the world such as like S.Arabia, Algeria, Morocco, Egypt, Tunisia, Ghana, Libya, Namibia and many others. Please stop being silly!
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Horse Steak Neoliberalism is the child of Thatcher and Reagan both conservatives, it has nothing to do with a liberal traditional laissez-faire attitude and was never meant to be. It's about control. Neoliberalism is a small government to enable more taxpayer money to be transmuted by privatisation from the public sector into the off-shore bank accounts of the wealthy. Neoliberalism has dominated US and UK policy for four decades and many other countries have followed suit. It is a right-wing Conservative ideology. Don't be fooled by the name. As you aren't British you may not be aware of the massive cost of privatisation of our Water, Energy, Prisons, Public Services, Banking sector, Public Transport paid for by the taxpayer.
Your comment doesn't address the issue and while I'd love to explain the con of Fractional Reserve Banking and FIAT currency, that isn't really the point. However imagine being so rich that you need to increase the mass of money, how would you do it? well, with debt. Global debts are over $289 trillion, which is over 3 and a half times global GDP.
"coloured" isn't the right term, I haven't seen many blue, green or red human beings and you seem blissfully unaware that the west has been run by right-wing Neoliberalism for over 4 decades. We are witnessing the effects of Neoliberalism, and yes the costs and debts hit the poor hardest, especially minorities as I've already explained.
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@indivisible4835 Dear god, I don't want or need to argue pedantic nonsense. When my likes are at 2 and go down to 0 it's obvious people are down-marking my comment, I'm followed by trolls but can't get rid of them I can only block them from commenting on my videos, as I'm commenting on news and other channels videos I have no control under the YT system. I have not blamed malign actors, and I have not suggested some undefined agency, those are misinterpretations of my comments. I have simply stated it is YT filtering. I have proven I use empirical data and given you the method, there is no discussion it is fact! You are still debating me over some petty misinterpretation of facts and your misunderstanding of the word Empirical (verified through repeatable observation and not based on theory or logic IE how we determine scientific fact) and you ask me how you are inferring I'm wrong? I've already proven my point, I've already proven your misunderstanding of words used and suggested your hurt pride is the reason for your continual pedantry. You can misinterpret my comment to continue this pointless sealioning as much as you like, but I've given you the tools to prove it. I'm simply pointing out that the more you upset the status quo, the more you get filtered and silenced. I don't want to debate allies over petty nonsense, I choose my words carefully as I've been forced to, to avoid censorship...
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13 years of Tory rule and she sums up their achievements as banning mobile phones in schools. Well that balances out the inflation, cost of living crisis, NHS crisis, low wages, extortionate energy prices, economic crashes, cuts, low standards of policing and security, treatment of pensioners, care homes, pandemic failures, cronyism, nepotism and greed...
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@jannenreuben7398 That is why we have democracy so people can choose by a majority what they want their country to be like. That is how we sort the good from the bad. My point is that multiculturalism has always existed since we learned to navigate the oceans. We were Pagans until the Romans killed off the druidic leadership on Anglesea which was the Celtic leadership that existed up until that point. We adopted new techniques and materials we learned from invaders and visitors. We have always adapted and adopted new cultures, scientific theories, materials, religious aspects and philosophies into our own. The slippery slope fallacy isn't worth my answering. But I will point out that our country was built on Social Democracy/Socialism. It has been with us since 1945 and has given our country free health care, social housing to move us out of the slums, free schooling, legal aid, national parks, public transport, public libraries, nationalised industry (until the Tories sold it off), the welfare state to protect us when we can't work because of illness or lack of available work. These ideas came from Marx and Engels who were both German. We can't avoid new ideas and why would we want to? we use logic and reason to determine whether they are right for us and democracy to implement the changes we want as a nation.
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"What feckless leadership the Tories provideth, as they strive with lies and thus divide us.
What food and energy can a working wage buy, when Tory profiteering bleeds our Country dry?
With hungered belly and empty wallet, houses like ice with frozen toilets.
The workers who provide the hands, that toil so hard across this land,
Are left alone to fend unprotected, while corporate taxes remain uncollected.
As cruelty reigns and poverty encircles the vulnerable and impoverished workers,
'Help' we cry in desperation, inept Tory policy inspires inflation.
We drown in debt, they drown in champagne, their lives are shallow, self-serving and vain.
With unity and action direct, the people can stop this inhumane neglect.
It's time to stand, as one and shout "Get those fecking Tories out!"" Steven Parker...
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@kemibello6812 No, her ancestors were transported to the Caribbean which makes that her descent, her heritage is African (but since her slave ancestors had no documentation, she has no idea of her actual country of origin) her Nationality is British. She was repeatedly asked what part of Africa she was from, to which she couldn't answer. The answer I have given you is in Ms Fulani's own words (paraphrased)...
The full exchange of the conversation is:
Lady SH: “Where are you from?”
Ms Fulani: “Sistah Space.”
SH: “No where do you come from?
Ms Fulani: “We’re based in Hackney.”
SH: “No, what part of Africa are YOU from?”
Ms Fulani: “I don’t know, they didn’t leave any records.”
SH: “Well, you must know where you’re from, I spent time in France. Where are you from?”
Ms Fulani: “Here, UK”
SH: “No, but what Nationality are you?”
Ms Fulani: “I am born here and am British.”
SH: “No, but where do you really come from, where do your people come from?”
Ms Fulani: “‘My people’, lady, what is this?”
SH: “Oh I can see I am going to have a challenge getting you to say where you’re from. When did you first come here?”
Ms Fulani: “Lady! I am a British national, my parents came here in the 50’s when…”
SH: “Oh, I knew we’d get there in the end, you’re Caribbean!”
Ms Fulani: “No lady, I am of African heritage, Caribbean descent and British nationality.”
SH: “Oh so you’re from….”
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@PrivateSi I can't argue with conspiracy. The left (Social Democrats) not liberals! have fought the wealthy elites since the dawn of time. Scotch Cattle, Chartists, Tolpuddle Martyrs, Wat Tyler and the peasant's revolt. We have always fought the elitists and their machinations and many died for the rights that are now being taken from us. We believe in your right to talk conspiracy and protest against authoritarianism. Central bankers are not Marxists, Anti-Fascists are not paid and are not Fascists. Corporate billionaires like Gates, Soros are right-wing elites who give to charities and fund organisations to avoid paying tax, not out of the goodness of their hearts. You can't believe in left-wing ideology such as shared resources and workers owning the tools of production while exploiting workers and owning the tools of production, it's an obvious contradiction.
The battle has always been rich vs poor, the wealthy are trying to create a dystopian corporatocracy while they themselves ascend to kings and emperors in this new world. China has more billionaires per capita than any other country and are predicted by top economists to be the largest economy by 2028, they are not Communists and haven't been for decades. The West is only 23% of the total global population. You are being fed conspiracy in the usual divide and conquer tactics of the wealthy. The left do not want to ban Christmas, have uncontrolled migration, ban books or old comedies. PC and cancel culture are manipulations of the media who amplify the voices of a few fringe groups to create division and avoid the real issue of equality. You are fighting the wrong enemy and being used by those you claim to despise...
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@PrivateSi Neo-liberalism is right-wing it is more accurately called Neo-conservatism, it is small government, privatisation, deregulation of the banking sector and the only thing you have got right is siphoning public taxes to the off-shore accounts of the rich. Left-wing ideology is nationalization, the opposite of privatisation. The merger of state and corporate power is the first step in Fascism, again the opposite of left-wing ideology. Liberals are centrists, Neo-liberals are right-wing, Social Democrats are Left-wing. The media is 80% controlled by right-wing billionaires. Democracy has always been an illusion, something to give us plebs the illusion of control. The left has always fought the rich and globalist billionaires who lobby governments and hold the puppet strings of politicians. You conflate ideology with politicians. But there hasn't been a left-wing government in the US or UK for over 4 decades... I'm not going to keep correcting you, you read memes fingerpainted in faeces on the toilet walls of right-whinge social media, a useful tool of the wealthy and their agenda...
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@PrivateSi Blair was Thatcher's greatest legacy, Thatcher and Reagan both Conservatives gave birth to neo-liberalism. Blair is a warmongering neoliberal, he only added to the de-regulation Thatcher started and the Tories have continued since. I've already mentioned that he used John Major's PFIs, which is a form of privatisation. But Labour had a 5% cap on PFIs which the Tories ignored when they extended them to 2035 increasing the debt exponentially while also creating PFI2 increasing the debt even more. The Tories are responsible for creating 2/3rds of our national debt and give away over £100 billion per annum of taxpayer money to corporations in corporate welfare and subsidies. To put that into perspective, unemployment only costs £1.56 billion per annum, which means corporate greed costs the taxpayer 66 times what unemployment costs. On top of that those tax-dodging corporations costs you and me £40-120 billion per annum in unpaid taxes, via the tax gap every year. The Tories have privatised Royal Mail, Rail, Energy, Transport, Communications and many other industries, what Labour added is paled by comparison. I haven't been a member of Labour since the 90s when Blair dropped clause 4. Yet again you prove you only have Tory myth and right-wing misconceptions. All of my figures and assertions can be checked using the IFS and ONS stats. Neo-conservatism and Neo-liberalism are virtually the same thing, Conservatives pioneered Neo-liberalism under Thatcher and Labour only used those policies under Blair and only a fraction of Labour policies were neoliberal, most Labour policies were Democratic Socialism. The Conservatives use them exclusively. You are being used to regurgitate Tory mythology, check my figures.
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@tommiko8313 Historically the Labour party rebuilt Britain after the ww2, replaced slums with social housing, gave us medical care, legal aid, worker's rights, nationalised the BOE, Water, Communications, Energy, Coal. Transport etc (Much of which has now been privatised at the cost of £100 billion per annum in corporate welfare and subsidies and taxpayer bailouts). They gave us public transport, public libraries, public parks. But since Blair dropped clause 4 we haven't had a Labour party. Centrist neoliberals now run the left in the UK and the US ensuring a corporate-friendly party in power whoever wins. The left are now called extreme and we have the choice between red or blue flavoured neoliberalism...
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What feckless leadership the Tories provideth, as they strive with lies and thus divide us.
What food and energy can a working wage buy, when Tory profiteering drains our Country dry?
With hungered belly and empty wallet, houses like ice with frozen toilets,
The workers who provide the hands, that toil so hard across this land,
Are left alone to fend unprotected, while corporate taxes remain uncollected.
As cruelty reigns and poverty encircles the vulnerable and impoverished workers,
'Help' we cry in desperation, while inept Tory policies inspire inflation.
We drown in debt, they drown in champagne, their lives are shallow, self-serving and vain.
With unity and action direct, the people can stop this inhumane neglect.
It's time to stand, as one and shout 'Get those forking Tories out!'...
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@Ukfairgrounds Russia has 1600+ nukes and hypersonic tech. The UK has 120... Russia has an estimated total military personnel of 3 million and more weaponry than any other country except the USA, they also have 12,000 tanks, 5,500 Aircraft - while the UK has only 275,660 personnel and much-outdated tech including around 250 tanks, 990 aircraft... Compare rocketry, aircraft, tanks, artillery, navy - Russia has over 10x what we in the UK have...
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@thomasbradley2225 The US has interfered in every South American country since the 20th century. The CIA and your understanding are biased from the start. I don't support Putin, I don't put forward Communism as a solution. Democracy doesn't exist when lobbyists control your politicians. The free market doesn't exist when you have tariffs, embargoes, sanctions, blockades etc. You can't enforce regime change in other countries because you want to discredit their ideology.
Libya was a socialist-style country they used 'The Green System'. Gaddafi was essentially just a figurehead because he'd fought US imperialism all his life and was respected. Libya had no IMF debt, no international debt. Libya had $150 billion in reserves, 143 tons of gold and a similar amount of silver. Libya also created the world's largest irrigation project. Having a house was a human right, each Libyan had a share in the country's 50 billion barrels of oil and petrol was $0.14 per litre. Then Libya decided to create an African currency 'The Dinar' to challenge the petrodollar for oil sales in Africa and the Middle East. Many countries like Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria all dropped the petrodollar for oil sales. America's reaction wasn't to legitimately compete in a capitalist system, they chose to invade to enforce regime change and to loot Libya's gold, precious metals and oil. US Capitalism brought human trafficking and slavery to Libya and caused the death and migration of millions.
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@Fractalchemystical They are conflating the two, I am not as I'm simply responding to their question. I assume you're a Celt to speak of native British culture, if you're an Anglo-Saxon then you are not in a position to comment. From my point of view, immigrants are welcome under a system of controlled migration as that benefits Britain. Whether they are Anglo-Saxon, Lybian, Indian, Arabian or any other nationality/culture. British culture is Indian curries, Greek Kebabs, Mesopotamian numeracy, Roman inventions, Chinese Tea and many from other global influences. My point was simply that to discourage breeding means the Bulldog will become extinct.
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What feckless leadership the Tories provideth, as they strive with lies and thus divide us.
What food and energy can a working wage buy, when Tory profiteering drains our Country dry?
With hungered belly and empty wallet, houses like ice with frozen toilets,
The workers who provide the hands, that toil so hard across this land,
Are left alone to fend unprotected, while corporate taxes remain uncollected.
As cruelty reigns and poverty encircles the vulnerable and impoverished workers,
'Help' we cry in desperation, inept Tory policy inspires inflation.
We drown in debt, they drown in champagne, their lives are shallow, self-serving and vain.
With unity and action direct, the people can stop this inhumane neglect.
It's time to stand, as one and shout 'Get those ferking Tories out!'...
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@balsolvag6220 You haven't even read the title of this story have you? "Hundreds of migrants and refugees from the Middle East and Africa remain gathered at Belarus’s border with Poland in an escalating crisis."
It clearly states refugees, Under international law, anyone seeking international protection must be given access to the asylum process, even if they have crossed a border illegally. That is the law, Poland has been doing this for months. Belarus are in the wrong, but so is Poland.
At least six migrants have been found dead near the border with temperatures now falling below freezing overnight. Poland is suspected to have pushed back migrants into Belarus’s territory, a digital investigation from Amnesty International found, suggesting the EU country has breached migrants’ rights. Amnesty found that a group of 32 Afghan asylum seekers was surrounded by Polish border forces on August 18. A day later, the same group was located on the Belarus side.
“Poland has been cruelly holding this group of people on their border in horrendous conditions for weeks,” Eve Geddie, Director of Amnesty International’s European Institutions Office, said in a statement. “Our analysis shows irrefutably on 18 August, their position shifted from Poland to Belarus overnight, which strongly suggests that they were victims of an unlawful pushback.”
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@lmy2366 Can you show where you've provided any facts? You've provided contradictions of your own posts which are all opinions. You're apparently not in favour of shifting tax burdens onto some other group yet that was your response to a loss of 9% of corporations tax which got shifted from the private sector to the public sector. So what you really mean is you're not in favour of moving the tax burden back onto those who exploit it most. Infrastructure is roads, industrial parks, Hospitals, Car Parks, Shopping centres, housing estates, the national grid, sewage and water pipes, telecoms, energy, transport etc... All of which are used so the question of which infrastructure is irrelevant, all infrastructure is paid for from GDP if you have a loss of 9% corporation tax that has to be redeemed from another group.
Common myths you perpetuate:
Corporations would have to increase prices, no they'd have to reduce excessive profiteering.
Corporation tax will cost us a loss of trade. You think Nike or Mcdonald's will stop selling in the UK if we put the corporation tax back to a reasonable amount? The same amount or less than they are paying in other countries? Cur their profits out of spite? not likely m8...
Privatisation of Energy is the reason we pay them subsidies and the reason we are now blackmailed by energy companies making bumper profits.
Who tops up low wages from corporations? The taxpayer via tax credits.
Who pays for subsidies? The taxpayer.
Who paid for the infrastructure for the national grid? The taxpayer.
Who now profits from that infrastructure and fail to maintain it? Corporations.
Who covers the annual tax gap from corporate tax losses of £40-120 billion per annum? the taxpayer.
Who pays for the energy bill support grants? The taxpayer - While shell makes bumper profits.
Why are tax credits and energy grants necessary? corporate greed...
I'm not repeatedly going around in circles, I've been patient and kind enough to offer facts to support every comment I've made. Take care, that was my last reply!
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@lmy2366 lol you aren't even able to follow an argument. National income? has increased in real terms? only 49% of household income is from wages? Can't find those stats when I search for them individually so I assume they aren't real. How were they calculated? by what formula have they produced these absurd figures? what organisation? Those questions are rhetorical as a circular debate is pointless!
You said you don't agree with shifting the tax burden onto different groups, I pointed out that the loss of 9% corporation tax would have to be picked up by the taxpayer, and then I stated that was moving the burden from the private sector to the public sector. Hence it was a retort to your own statement. It has nothing to do with whether you agree with every choice of government, I never suggested that and it's not relevant I simply pointed out the contradiction in your statement.
Your personal observations of purchased products are irrelevant that's anecdotal and we are talking about average wages for working people in general. Your taxes regardless of what you purchase, pay for all the infrastructure as does every taxpayer... Those taxes pay for schools, hospitals, roads, telecoms, energy etc that are used by corporations and their employees.
Naive? Shell made record profits in the first two quarters and paid zero windfall tax because of loopholes provided by the Tories. Yet energy prices have increased by multiple factors in the past 2 years alone.
"Corporate tax will cost us a loss of trade" never did say that. It's implied in several of your comments.
Tax credits are paid to people who are on low wages to top their money up to something they can live on, barely. That money is paid by the government and therefore comes out of our taxes, it's surprising you don't understand that basic fact.
Subsidies are paid out of our taxes to Privatised industries like the energy companies, stop taking everything personally, we are talking about corporate greed affecting the cost of living in general for working people. Hence why it is wholly relevant. It seems you're unable to discuss things in general without referencing yourself. I use stats not anecdotal stories...
"Whom isn't greedy?" we are talking about the deaths of 25,000 pensioners because of excessive energy prices and you try an inane comment like that? How is that a rebuttal of my comment? it's nonsense. What Eutopia? you think corporations paying their fair share of the tax burden is Eutopia? wow such low standards...
You seem unable to follow a debate as I've just proven. Your so-called stats don't exist on any website I can find. But are obviously a misrepresentation of reality as we have the highest cost of living and lowest wages for a decade. Those are facts that you can freely search.
I've comprehensively defeated every single point in your last reply as I've done with the others. Your misunderstanding and inability to comprehend a continuous debate over several replies make debate impossible as I've previously stated. Anyways take care and please don't reply again I've spent hours trying to explain things to you and painstakingly rebutted every point several times over.
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Yes, but whenever life gets you down Mrs Brown:
Just remember that you're standing in a country that's devolving
and dissolving at 900 miles an hour.
The Tories making millions every second, so it's reckoned,
The media, the source of all their power.
Now the sun, the daily mail, the daily express, the telegraph,
Are manipulating millions of Brits every day,
In the awful Tory Britain full of poverty and decay,
On a planet in the embarrassed Milky Way.
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@crown9413 PS Social Democracy played a huge role in Britain after the second world war. A Labour government rebuilt the country providing social housing to replace slums, medical care so children didn't die of curable diseases and a welfare state to provide a safety net for the ill, disabled and unemployed. They also nationalised the bank of England, coal, steel, transport, energy etc giving people cheaper goods and a stake in the country's success. Later governments reversed much of that but we still have free healthcare, public transport, public libraries, free schooling, legal aid, worker's rights, human rights thanks to Social Democracy and the Attlee government.
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What feckless leadership the Tories provideth, as they strive with lies and thus divide us.
What food and energy can a working wage buy, when the Tories drain our Country dry?
With hungered belly and empty wallet, houses like ice with frozen toilets,
The workers who provide the hands, that toil so hard across this land,
Are left alone to fend unprotected, while corporate taxes remain uncollected.
As cruelty reigns and poverty encircles the vulnerable and impoverished workers,
'Help' we cry in desperation, while inept Tory policies inspire inflation.
We drown in debt, they drown in champagne, lives shallow, self-serving and vain.
With unity and action direct, the people can stop this cruel neglect.
It's time to stand, as one and shout 'Get those forking Tories out!'...
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@davedogge2280 Agreed, apart from Brexit, Grenfell, Economic Euthanasia, Disabled Vilification, Election Fraud, Contempt of Parliament, Windrush Scandal, WASPI, Working Poverty, Homeless Crisis, Hostile Env, Food Banks, Universal Credit, NHS Crisis, Austerity what have the Tories ever done for us?
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"It's very interesting and worthy of future study, providing solace and reducing anxiety for individuals. Surely it would be more productive to tackle the problems in society that cause stress and anxiety"
"I use Wim Hof's breathing techniques and cold showers to improve my inner world as well as meditation."
"How many of you are not going to bother reading my words correctly or the numerous replies already provided, in order to argue minutia?"
At what point have I said not to use these means to provide stress relief and use these techniques and technology to improve your own state of mind?
When did ultrasound become the only means of providing happiness?
If productivity was derived from happiness why is it that our greatest philosophers, artists, songwriters, poets etc predominantly share a life of suffering and depression?
Do you actually believe change comes from happiness? because history teaches us that change comes from struggle, from recognizing problems and getting angry enough to risk your life to provide a solution. Take the Rebecca Rioters, Tolpuddle Martyrs, Chartists, Scotch Cattle, Wat Tyler and the peasant's revolt, suffragettes and the Anti-Slavery Society as examples of this (British revolutionaries that changed the world for the better). Giving women the power to vote, abolishing slavery, fighting unjust tolls and taxes, removing unjust systems of government.
Try learning about fractional reserve banking, global financial hegemony, corporate monopolies, planned obsolescence (making flawed products that have a limited shelf life), geopolitics, global conflict, climate change (loss of 65% of genetic diversity at 1,000 times the rate of natural extinction), environmental sabotage for profit, how the diamond industry hoards diamonds to artificially inflate prices, how the oil industry has known the risks of climate change for a century etc.
I could go on but you have already proven a lack of logic and an inability to understand written language...
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@muzzmurgatroyd I'm glad you agree with much of what I've said. Regarding the debt, global debts are increasing and those who own that get a higher percentage of the world's 'actual' resources the more debt they own. Essentially the higher the debt, the higher the majority of our global resources is bought up by the super-wealthy (0.01%). That is its purpose though this is rarely discussed. The poverty gap extends and more of our resources end up in the hands of this financial and corporate elite.
We all know sanctions, embargoes, monopolies, shorting, tax cuts, subsidies, corporate welfare, grants, lobbying etc prove that market-based economics is a myth. Lobbying governments also proves democracy to be a myth.
I agree with the sentiments expressed by Nick and I'm glad to see you share much of the same understanding regarding the system and its inherent flaws. As well as a historical understanding of how socialism has been subject to regime change and sabotage predominantly by the US and also much of which has happened in S.America in past few decades.
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@Anthony_Romford If you are unaware of paragraphs, then maybe you should study the English language. As for immigration, we had the highest from Labour in their last year in office of 196,000 (2009). We now have left the EU and have around 300,000 a third higher, so that firmly proves your ignorance. Not to mention the Tories having to lower immigration standards to attract HGV drivers, Nurses, Doctors and Abattoir workers. Theresa May holds the record of 650,000 in her last year as home secretary.
84 Labour MPs voted against the war in Iraq while only 2 Tory MPs voted against it. Not to mention it was a cross-party decision. I also remember Corbyn saying something which became almost prophecy a few years later:
"Thousands more deaths in Iraq will not make things right. It will set off a spiral of conflict, of hate, of misery, of desperation that will fuel the wars, the conflict, the terrorism, the depression and the misery of future generations."
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Yes, Rishi feel free to ignore the questions and just obfuscate. But apart from Brexit, Grenfell, Economic Euthanasia, Disabled Vilification, Election Fraud, Contempt of Parliament, Windrush Scandal, WASPI, Working Poverty, Homeless Crisis, Hostile Env, Food Banks, Universal Credit, NHS Crisis, Austerity, and crashing the economy during a cost of living crisis what have the Tories ever done for us?
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@DropdudeJohn I also noticed you haven't copy and pasted the general considerations. Have a read! Note that compliance with international human rights legislation and individual case merits as well as expectations need to be considered. None of which we can know until they are processed. Editorial note: UN doc. A/55/383, Nov. 2000. (Summary Conclusions: Article 31 of the 1951 Convention Expert Roundtable organized by the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees and the Graduate Institute of International Studies, Geneva, Switzerland, 8–9 November 2001)
Illegal entry (Article 31)
General considerations
1. Article 31 of the 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees presents particular challenges to States seeking to manage asylum applications effectively, while ensuring that specific international obligations are fully implemented.
2. The interpretation and application of Article 31 requires that account be taken both of the developing factual circumstances affecting the movements of refugees and asylum seekers, and also of developments in international law, including the impact of regional and international human rights instruments, the practice of treaty and other monitoring bodies, and the provisions of related treaties, such as the Protocol to Prevent, Suppress and Punish Trafficking in Persons, Especially Women and Children,and the Protocol Against the Smuggling of Migrants by Land, Sea and Air, Supplementing the United Nations Convention against Transnational Organized Crime.1
3. It was recalled that the UNHCR Executive Committee had acknowledged that refugees will frequently have justifiable reasons for illegal entry or irregular movement, and that it had recommended appropriate standards of treatment in, among others, Conclusions Nos. 15, 22, 44, and 58.
4. It was also observed that for States Parties to the 1951 Convention and/or 1967Protocol, Article 31 combines obligations of conduct and obligations
of result.
5. Thus, Article 31(1) specifically obliges States not to impose penalties on refugees falling within its terms. Article 31(2) calls upon States not to
apply to the movements of refugees within the scope of paragraph 1, restrictions other than those that are necessary, and only until their status is regularized locally or they secure admission to another country.
6. The effective implementation of these obligations requires concrete steps at the national level. In the light of experience and in view of the nature of the obligations laid down in Article 31, States should take the necessary steps to ensure that refugees and asylum seekers within its terms are not subject to penalties. Specifically, States should ensure that refugees benefiting from this provision are promptly identified, that no proceedings or penalties for illegal entry or presence are applied pending the expeditious determination of claims to refugee status and asylum, and that the relevant criteria are interpreted in the light of the applicable international law and standards.
7. In particular, while the relevant terms of Article 31 (‘coming directly’, ‘without delay’, ‘penalties’, ‘good cause’) must be applied at the national level, full account must always be taken of the circumstances of each individual case if international obligations are to be observed. It was further noted, on the basis of the practice of States, that these obligations are implemented most effectively where accountable national mechanisms are able to determine the applicability of Article 31, having regard to the rule of law and due process, including advice and representation.
8. Steps are also required to ensure that the results laid down in Article 31(2) are achieved. In particular, appropriate provision should be made at the national level to ensure that only such restrictions are applied as are necessary in the individual case, that they satisfy the other requirements of this Article, and that the relevant standards, in particular international human
rights law, are taken into account.
9. The incorporation and elaboration of the standards of Article 31 in national legislation, including by providing judicial review in the case of detention, would be an important step for the promotion of compliance with Article 31 and related human rights provisions.
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@T5Zplayer I have over 20 articles bookmarked to prove that your Tory mythology is laced with misrepresentations. Privatisation adds an extra layer of admin, and profit requirements while selling off taxpayer infrastructure for pennies on the pound as happened with Royal Mail. While also costing the taxpayer over £100 billion in subsidies and corporate welfare per annum. On top of which comes the bailouts, low wages, increased product and service prices, grants, loans, tax relief etc.
Heath as PM from 70-74 was elected on a platform to crush the unions and workers' rights. Thatcher later built on that platform using security agencies and cuts to further that platform. Most households these days require at least two full-time workers to stay afloat. In the 70s one full-time wage could support a mortgage and a decent lifestyle, we had a fully funded NHS, family doctors, same-day appointments and social housing to avoid homelessness. Not to mention free schooling at Uni level and a decent pension to look forward to.
I also lived through it but had the decency to do research rather than rely on tabloid opinion pieces. Your ad homs do little to make up for your lack of knowledge, political illiteracy and reliance on Tory mythology...
PS I use facts, stats and fiscal data your personal experience is anecdotal evidence...
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@T5Zplayer Here's an example of the type of information you could find if you had the intellect to do research "During the tenures of Margaret Thatcher and John Major, the government went on a selling spree unmatched by any other industrialised economy. Telecoms, gas, electricity, water, airlines and trains: they were all bundled up and sold off. Other public goods were surrendered too, often for a song – the biggest example being nearly 2m council homes." They were taxpayer assets sold on the cheap, our water is now polluted, we have a vast shortage of social housing and Ofcom increased bills by £2.7 billion by allowing unsustainable cartels into the energy market 28 of which collapsed after taking taxpayer money.
"Privatisation is the god that failed. As an object of worship, it has proven expensive for the public and a bonanza for comparatively few investors, often overseas. And in key areas such as council housing, it has proven a singular disaster."
Please do research instead of parroting the same opinionated themes over and over...
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Saint Norbert "Whenever life gets you down Mrs. Brown
And things seem hard or tough
And people are stupid, obnoxious or daft
And you feel that you've had quite enough..."
Just remember that you're standing in a country that's devolving and dissolving at 900 miles an hour. The Tories making millions every second, so it's reckoned,
The media, the source of all their power.
Now the sun, the daily mail, the daily express, the telegraph, are bullshitting millions of Brits every day, in the awful Tory Britain full of poverty and decay,
On a planet in the embarrassed Milky Way.
No worries!
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Yes mate agreed, but to be fair, Nigel Farage is a coast cruising, cliff clutching, shore shagging, surf stalking, seaside scampering, beach bothering, boat buggering, pier patrolling, promenade picketing, ferry fondling ferkwit...
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@monkofmayhem1373 Sure it would, trouble is that's Tory propaganda. Until Thatcher popularised privatisation, everything was Nationalised. We taxpayers owned our telecoms, energy, water, transport, postal service, steel, coal, North sea oil and gas, and other industry. Strikes still happen in privatised industries as a result of insufficient wages, paying people enough to live on solves that problem...
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G M Don't want to be one of the elite, I like being able to sleep at night, but yes liquidity will be the main problem, the CIA instigated the Arab Spring in order to protect the petrodollar from a unified middle east. Gaddafi starting an African currency (Dinar) and dropping the dollar for oil sales would have killed the petrodollar off which in turn would have destabilized / devalued the dollar itself. Hence these pesky wars Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya etc to protect the oil industry, the petrodollar and to annex new resources uranium, oil, natural gas, 240 tonnes of gold from Libya alone. Money isn't real, it's not backed by any physical resource since the loss of the gold standard, fractional reserve banking is a joke and FIAT currency is in freefall.
Obama wasn't too bad but yes, still part of the system. Clinton is the first born cloven hoofed spawn of Satan and Trump is just a gullible narcissist / megalomaniac. We aren't that different in our views on how the world is structured but your interpretation comes from those very Elites - rags like Breitbart and are filtered through Murdoch's empire to the general public.
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"What feckless leadership the Tories provideth, as they strive with lies and thus divide us.
What food and energy can a working wage buy, when Tory profiteering bleeds our Country dry?
With hungered belly and empty wallet, houses like ice with frozen toilets.
The workers who provide the hands, that toil so hard across this land,
Are left alone to fend unprotected, while corporate taxes remain uncollected.
As cruelty reigns and poverty encircles the vulnerable and impoverished workers,
'Help' we cry in desperation, inept Tory policy inspires inflation.
We drown in debt, they drown in champagne, their lives are shallow, self-serving and vain.
With unity and action direct, the people can stop this inhumane neglect.
It's time to stand, as one and shout 'Get those fecking Tories out!'" Steven Parker...
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@igvc1876 Two things you can guarantee in life: Spy stories are just that! 99% of the time you will never know what really happened or which side set up the sting and who was the victim. That's the essence of Spy stories, they are only ever about one side seeking advantage politically or militarily. The other thing you can guarantee is that your own country will always provide a patriotic angle to the story and dismiss any negative reflections of itself.
Sorry, one more thing you can count on, the first casualty of war is the truth...
No matter how well constructed and elaborately conceived or narrated a story like this is, it will only ever give you propagandist info...
Increases in terror attacks, industrial accidents, cyber-attacks, escalation of global conflict, rise in fascism, media rhetoric, nuclear proliferation, treaties failing, troop movements globally
...anyone get the feeling ww3 has already kicked off and we're on the subs bench?
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Chief Sunna of the Saxons I don't lay claim to the Gallic heritage. I simply pointed out in numerous ways, linguistically and geographically, the connection between the modern Celtic language. Celts came from the Iberian peninsula (Spain/Portugal) to Ireland around 10,000-15,000 years ago according to DNA found in burial mounds in Ireland. Then spread out to Wales, Cornwall, Scotland. Average DNA in Britain contains a mix of Scandanavian/Viking, Irish/Celt, German/Saxon, French/Norman and some Italian/Roman. English have around 20% Irish/Celtic and more Scandinavian (10%) and Saxon (35-40%). Welsh have more Irish/Celtic about 40%. The East of England has the most Italian/Greek (Southern European) ancestry (2.53%). Your confusion is understandable though, as you try to swag it out, having been defeated sounded both intellectually and historically...
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@LimeyRedneck @beatdizzy stated Rob's words and mentioned Rob. I'm not conflating anything and I'm not criticising dizzy, simply pointing out that anyone who follows global politics, economics, recent legislation and the global rise of right-wing ideology should be more worried than they are. To use terms like Authoritarian, Dystopian, or Orwellian with regard to the recent changes globally is an understatement. We take 1 step forward for every two steps back.
Nuclear proliferation has restarted, AI and automation are replacing workers, Nihilist philosophies are common, history is being rewritten, book burning and censorship are increasing, we are heading for a digital currency where our ability to support our families can be turned off with the push of a button. The truth is now optional and opinion is as good as facts. Not to mention the future of the species is at high risk due to global warming.
Global debt is over $300 trillion - 2.5 times global GDP. Even in the UK we have had a debt-to-GDP ratio of above 100% several times in the past decade. Free speech, the right to protest, human rights, and workers' rights are all being reduced considerably. My point is simply that this isn't a time for optimism.
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@Whoami691 PS Read my earlier replies: "Search for "The nine green policies killed off by the Tory government" 2015 or "Critics accused Tory policies of discouraging the installation of new renewable energy resources" 2019 or "Scotland's renewable energy industry in 'crisis' after Tory cuts" 2022 or "Tory wind farm ban and green subsidy cuts are costing households £140 a year in higher bills" 2022. There are a few examples from the past decade..."
And
"Don't talk nonsense. We have a large river network, a massive coast, plenty of wind, plenty of sun and hydrothermal energy. We have more than enough sources as we are already 46% powered by renewables, despite massive cuts to green energy over the past decade. We are paying for selling off our North sea, energy grid and a lack of funding for renewables - IE privatisation... We should be 100% renewable and 100% self-sufficient instead of being subject to extortion by an energy cartel..."
And
"PS There are many countries that are 100% renewable. All use their different strengths to generate electricity. "Albania, Bhutan, Congo, Costa Rica, Ethiopia, Iceland, Namibia, Nepal, Norway and Paraguay: these are the countries whose electric power generation comes from 97 to 100% renewable energy sources. Several African countries are on the list, along with countries in South America and the Caribbean."
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@pierremartini2229 Agreed, bread and circus, divide and conquer. Binge-watch TV and carry on regardless. Having said that "Apart from Brexit, Grenfell, Economic Euthanasia, Disabled Vilification, Election Fraud, Contempt of Parliament, Windrush Scandal, WASPI, Working Poverty, Homeless Crisis, Hostile Env, Food Banks, Universal Credit, NHS Crisis, Austerity, and crashing the economy during a cost of living crisis what have the Tories ever done for us?"
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Mobbdeepak McMacaveli Shakoor Historically the Labour party rebuilt Britain after the ww2, replaced slums with social housing, gave us medical care, legal aid, worker's rights, nationalised the BOE, Water, Communications, Energy, Coal. Transport etc (Much of which has now been privatised at the cost of £100 billion per annum in corporate welfare and subsidies and taxpayer bailouts). They gave us public transport, public libraries, public parks. But since Blair dropped clause 4 we haven't had a Labour party. Centrist neoliberals now run the left in the UK and the US ensuring a corporate-friendly party in power whoever wins. The left are now called extreme and we have the choice between red or blue flavoured neoliberalism...
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@blackbeard6423 We have increased funding of around 170 billion (since the pandemic) in the NHS but this is being wasted. Most of that money goes to private companies, not to the NHS. Our GDP is just under 3 trillion. We pay through taxes and N.I. contributions and had a far more efficient service years ago before the Tories sold off assets and increased outsourcing, management, admin etc Blair also played his part by using John Major's PFIs which the Tories extended until 2035 while adding another layer via PFI2. I'm saying that the money is being wasted on contracts with big pharma that charges 10x the cost of generic medications for brand names, excessive admin and management on huge salaries, the sale of profitable NHS assets, the cost of outsourcing and soft privatisation coupled with private finance is draining the funds. Not to mention until recently the underfunding of the NHS. The huge cost of legal cases due to mismanagement. We could pay for the 100,000 staff shortage, the increase in wages for staff and funding new hospitals and emergency stations by simply removing these drains on resources. As for the 1% have a look at the richest people in Britain list and then compare that to the list of highest taxpayers in Britain, you'll find the richest aren't there In the highest taxpayers list. This is because we don't tax wealth, we tax income from work. The richest don't work, they invest and take money from other sources while avoiding inheritance tax, using tax loopholes and creative accounting. The money to have an excellent health service is already in place, it's being siphoned off to shareholders and wasted through mismanagement. PS you seem to be talking about health and social care in general as regards the elderly comment, immigrants have nothing to do with it they pay their share, the subject is the NHS!
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@dacorum8053 Your ignorance of the two financial crashes, cost of living crisis, low wages leading to industrial strikes, poor spending power of the pound, international import and export problems, supply problems, supermarket price and shortage issues, shortage of workers, etc is astounding. The fact that you blame an influx of workers we are now crying out for is the height of illogical and unreasoning cognitive powers. The fact that Europe, the G7, America and all the other major economic blocks doing far better than us is proof of my statements. The fact that you espouse such illogical, opinionated, unsupported guesses is the reason for my comment.
Please learn about things before trying to discuss them, we aren't down the pub and I'm not a political and economic illiterate. I work hard to understand the implications, media misconceptions and political intrigue both home and abroad. I'm not interested in petty optionated, baseless anecdotal debate...
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@Robert Wallace The Tories have closed hundreds of schools, hundreds of hospitals, over a hundred police stations, hundreds of public services like the 1,200 sure starts, they've reduced mental health care workers by over 5,000, reduced the police numbers by over 22,500, reduced police support services by over 23,000. Then blame the people doing more work for the same amount of money... Seriously don't use terms you clearly don't understand...
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@Hypersonik GDP is the gross domestic product of Great Britain, that comes from tourism, industry, taxes etc. It isn't our wages, it's the country's profits. It isn't the same as national debt which is £2.2 trillion. The debt to GDP ratio is how much of our profits we have to pay in debts each year, which at the moment is nearly all of our profits as the ratio is around 100%. I already worked out the national debt as a proportion of every man, woman and child (£2.2 trillion, divided by 67 million population = £32,835.8 each), but only a third of our population is actually working many are children or the elderly. So the number you're looking for is £32,835 but I'm still not sure why you mentioned it, what relevance does it have to the pandemic? other than proving the Tories have ruined the economy...
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@ruthguthrie1099 ❤ TY :)
"What feckless leadership the Tories provideth, as they strive with lies and thus divide us.
What food and energy can a working wage buy, when the Tories drain our Country dry?
With hungered belly and empty wallet, houses like ice with frozen toilets,
The workers who provide the hands, that toil so hard across this land,
Are left alone to fend unprotected, while corporate taxes remain uncollected.
As cruelty reigns and poverty encircles the vulnerable and impoverished workers,
'Help' we cry in desperation, while inept Tory policies inspire inflation.
We drown in debt, they drown in champagne, lives shallow, self-serving and vain.
With unity and action direct, the people can stop this cruel neglect.
It's time to stand, as one and shout 'Get those forking Tories out!'"
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James Burton George Orwell's first paragraph of his letter regarding why he wrote 1984.
"I must say I believe, or fear, that taking the world as a whole these things are on the increase. Hitler, no doubt, will soon disappear, but only at the expense of strengthening (a) Stalin, (b) the Anglo-American millionaires and (c) all sorts of petty fuhrers of the type of de Gaulle. All the national movements everywhere, even those that originate in resistance to German domination, seem to take non-democratic forms, to group themselves round some superhuman fuhrer (Hitler, Stalin, Salazar, Franco, Gandhi, De Valera are all varying examples) and to adopt the theory that the end justifies the means."
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@toyotaprius79 Yep tabloid mentality, flavour of the month narratives.
Every worker in Britain liked Christmas a lot.
But the Tories, who lived in luxury, well, they did not!
The Tories dislike Christmas, the giving time season.
And we all know why; their selfishness the reason.
Could it be that their heads aren't screwed on quite right?
Or could it be, perhaps, that their fists are too tight?
But with Tories the most likely reason of all,
Is their freezing cold hearts are a few sizes too small.
Whatever the reason, for their uncharitable views,
They stand there at Christmas, making profits for the few,
Staring down at the Populus with a sour, grouchy frown,
At the poor blighted workers in Britain's cold towns.
For every worker in Britain, they would love to bequeath,
In place of mistletoe a withered old funeral wreath.
"No hanging of stockings!" the Tories doth jeer,
Tomorrow may be Christmas, but the Tories don't care.
They scowl at the thought of a little drummer boy drumming,
So they crashed the economy and stopped Christmas from coming...
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Art, Music, Films, Books, Mathematics, Astronomy, Sports, Architecture, Engineering, Industry, Civilisation (or a close approximation of it at times)... The list is endless. My first reply was more comprehensive and for some reason filtered out...
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@tcskips Free market capitalism has never existed - embargoes, trade tariffs, sanctions, blockades, resource wars, petrodollar hegemony. Before privatisation was installed via Thatcherite neoliberalism we had nationalised industry that fulfilled all our needs for over 40 years. For instance, the NHS was fully funded, no waiting lists, we had family doctors, twice the hospital beds, twice the staff and a far more efficient service in the 70s for a far smaller cost... Now we have corrupt contracts that charge 10 times the price of generic medication, outsourcing, layers of admin and middle management, loss of profitable assets (emergency blood supplies, land, hospitals) and that's only soft privatisation. Neoliberalism and its primary failure of privatisation have led to huge debts in every country it's used. Four decades of privatisation has doubled GDP spending and yet government services has been reduced greatly. Unless you got anything better than PR, then I suggest you read some articles.
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Hilary (Cloven hoofed spawn of Satan) Clinton is almost as bad as Trump.
When it comes to foreign policy, public perception vs reality is often very different, take Iraq and the lies used as justification for the war, the supposed WMDs or Let's take the public perception of Libya vs the actual reality. We were told he was a vicious dictator abusing his people, we needed to "defend, liberate" them.
While we may (via our misunderstanding of the green system) assume Gaddafi was a dictator, under him: Education and medical treatment were free, Newlyweds received U.S $50,000 from the government, Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project, Libya had no external debt and had reserves of $150 billion most of which were frozen globally at the time of the war, The price of petrol was $0,14 per litre, Having a home was considered a human right, Gender equality actually a reality, The Human Development Index of Libya was better than two-thirds of the countries reported on it, Privatization of all Libyan oil to every citizen, People had enough food - no food banks or starvation.
Yet we went in toppled his government and avoided him setting up an African currency, the Dinar, which backed by 143 tonnes of gold would have threatened the petrodollar.
The public believed we were attacking a threat or freeing a people, but in essence, Libya may, even under a so-called dictator, have had a better standard of living than us in the West.
The reality is that Libya dropped the petrodollar for oil sales and was going to create a rival currency the African Dinar backed by 143 tonnes of gold, to be used for African and some Middle East oil sales. That would have threatened the petrodollar and hence devalued US currency.
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Well to be fair it's not like the FBI can be trusted. A small list of their not so legal activities. Files on U.S. citizens, Domestic surveillance, Covert operations on political groups, Files on Puerto Rican independence advocates, Activities in Latin America, 1996 campaign finance controversy, Internal investigations of shootings, The Whitey Bulger case, Robert Hanssen special agent spying for the Soviets, Death of Filiberto Ojeda Rios, Associated Press impersonation case...
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@yorkshiremgtow1773 I'm not arguing semantics and guesswork. While you minimise my points with such stupid arguments as a tax write off of 44 billion isn't corporate welfare! I said corporate welfare (tax breaks) and subsidies, you're comparing millions to billions and then adding inflation based on guesswork. You're ignoring the big picture and no nationalised industry subsidies and losses from a few specific years are irrelevant unless you concede profits from 1948 onwards which was when the Attlee government created most of those nationalised industries. You're using Tory myths that need to be deconstructed individually and I have already told you I'm not interested in being sealioned. Cheap fares, well-paid jobs and investment need to be considered when discussing nationalised industry. But the main thing you need to understand is that when the Tories defund and don't invest in nationalisation to create these problems while wasting the profits, those losses can be written off. Running an industry down, stealing their profits and not reinvesting those profits will obviously create a short term loss. You are pointing to certain periods regarding certain industries while ignoring the long term gains of all nationalised industries.
To put it simply, nationalization is a country being self-sufficient. Why do you think the German, French, Dutch, Chinese are taking profits from our rail networks to invest in their own nationalised networks? Where do you think they got the money to invest in our networks? Privatisation adds an extra layer of admin, shareholder profits, huge salaries, tax writeoffs, higher costs to the consumer and bailouts from the taxpayer, Add all those things together then compare to a nationalised industry that creates profit for reinvestment and provides cheaper services to the taxpayer. Our electricity prices have gone up by 560% over the past year alone. If it was still nationalised reinvestment would have created an energy market similar to Norway where they have virtually 100% renewable energy and produce an excess that we buy via the North Sea Link power cable. Not forgetting the fact that nationalised industry is sold off without reimbursing the taxpayer for the loss of those assets.
I'm not spending hours correcting your cherry-picked data that ignores the big picture. You're sealioning me. I'm sick of wasting my life correcting Tory mythology based on semantics, guesswork and cherry-picked data that ignores why those industries were failing (Tory theft of profits, defunding, selling off assets etc) while ignoring the huge cost of tax breaks, subsidies and bailouts - while the consumer is ripped off by cartels/price-fixing...
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@yorkshiremgtow1773 lol you're just sealioning me and you're a pedant. Half of your points are semantics, I said nationalization was a country being self-sufficient. I gave an example of Norway and the energy market. Self-sufficiency in an area such as energy is not the same as saying a country could be completely self-sufficient in all resources. Being self-sufficient in transport, energy, communications, and other national industries is surely a boon to the British economy and workforce. We can't however grow Brazil nuts for example, as they rely on specific conditions, an ecosystem. You're deliberately misinterpreting my point. You've taken several statements as absolutes out of pedantry. I have around 20 bookmarked articles regarding privatisation including all the hidden costs like tax breaks, subsidies, bailouts, investment incentives from the taxpayer's pocket, loss of tax-payer assets, providing low paid jobs with increased costs to consumers, lack of reinvestment etc which I can't post and have my comments filtered constantly. Before privatisation, nationalised industries paid enough wages to their employees to support a family and a mortgage on a single wage. Now a 1/3rd of the workforce live in working poverty with two full-time wages coming into a household. That's another hidden cost of privatisation and a hidden boon to the workforce that isn't taken into account when discussing nationalisation. I'm not wasting my time. I've called you out from the start as being a time-wasting sealioner, and you keep proving to be so. I've spent thousands of hours detailing all my points with people like you and that's why I don't do it anymore. You'll then complain about sources, argue over minutia, ignore the very obvious facts, ignore the big picture, misinterpret my points with semantics and pedantry and all I'll achieve is a loss of time and effort.
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Long live our arrogant, aristocratic, aloof, bumptious, high-hat, haughty, high-and-mighty, highfalutin, high-handed, hoity-toity, huffish, huffy, imperious, lordly, overweening, peremptory, pompous, presumptuous, pretentious, persnickety, potty, ritzy, snobbish, snobby, snooty, snotty, supercilious, superior, toffee-nosed, toplofty, uppity Etonian overlords and their wealthy corporate handlers. Sorry I ate a Thesaurus, though it was a dinosaur when I swallowed it...
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@Nickle314 lol you just talk nonsense and think people can't tell? The way figures are phrased affects the meaning of the figure. That's why you should use base figures. Look what the national debt was in 2010 when the Tories took power, around £0.7-8 trillion. With the banker's bailout just over £1trillion. In just over a decade national debt has increased by £1.6 trillion. It's more borrowing than every other party before it combined. Regardless of the obsession you have with trying to subvert the argument on a tangent to tiny nuances regarding economics the debate is pointless.
Anyone who uses the term Socialist Pensions is obviously making a statement. Social Democracy is responsible for the welfare state and without it sick children, the disabled, the elderly, and people with temporary illnesses would be left to die. Is that really what you want? Look at the percentage of our GDP spent on the welfare state compared to corporate welfare, tax losses, tax credits, cost of infrastructure, subsidies, grants, loans, initiatives etc... We have more than enough resources to live in dignity with all the basics covered, so why are a large percentage of the workforce not getting that? despite working hard and paying their taxes all their life? paying into pension schemes all their life. These concepts create civilisation, the rise in corporate greed can be seen in government accounts and the percentage of poverty in the UK. Seriously get a grip!
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@BBountyHunter I already did with respect to Libya. But also check the quality of life in Norway, Finland, Denmark, Sweden etc that have all used Socialism in the form of the Nordic Model of Social Democracy, also known as the Scandanavian model. Consistently better lifespan, pensions, wages, healthcare and the policies of Social Democracy are also used in places like Japan, New Zealand and Canada to name a few. Without it, we wouldn't have the NHS, Public libraries, Public Transport, Public Parks, Human rights, worker's rights, Legal Aid, and many other things we take for granted...
Like I said, your meme repetition is circular debate as it's already been debunked and stupidity is repeating the same mistake over and over...
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JOE FABULOUS Apart from Grenfell, Economic Euthanasia, Disabled Vilification, Election Fraud, Contempt of Parliament, Windrush Scandal, WASPI, Working Poverty, Homeless Crisis, Hostile Env, Food Banks, NHS Crisis, Austerity and the inept Pandemic plan, what have the Tories ever done for us?
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