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@ТатьянаЗамесова-ф9р but on your question, you're right, Armenia proper was officially not invaded, although some Armenian land was occupied. However, Russia's recent policies (Transnistria, Luhansk, Donetsk, Abkhazia, South Osettia) always is to support seperatists against the countries who officially own that land, except when they aren't Russians but Armenians, in which case they suddenly recognize internationally recognized borders.
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@Writeous0ne have you ever been to the Donbas though? I think you haven't. Otherwise, you knew all you say is bs. I have family and friends there, I have been there a couple of times, for longer periods, after 2014. The thing is, after 2015, the fighting mostly stopped. So the bombed Dombass thing is ridiculous. Not to mention the reports show the casualties being somewhat around 55%/45% which does not indicate genocide or specific targeting of civilians. Not to mention that the death toll in the Donbas war after 8 years is lower than 4 months of the current one...
If you're talking about if you speak Russian, bad things happen to you. well, biggest bs ever. My Ukrainian is sh*t, so I always speak Russian there. As does my family and most of my friends. The president's mother tongue is Russian, and his Ukrainian isn't stellar. Which they even made fun of in his TV show. You seem to be the type of guy that spends too much time on the Internet, and too little in the real world.
Last thing, with the minority thing, if you can point to me who is a Russian-speaking Ukrainian and who is a Russian-speaking Russian in the Donbas with 100% accuracy, I am going to take you to a casino.
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If you use Russia's historical (an frankly colonial and imperialist claims) it would mean that among others, Finland, Japan, Germany etc. Would have claims on them.
We should not forget that most regions in Eastern Ukraine aren't ethnically Russian, they're Russian speaking. There is a big difference in this. As many countries speak English, doesn't make them ethnically English. The Donbass became ethnically Russian, in the major cities as rural areas remained ethnically Ukrainian, after the losses of ww2. After which the territories were recolonized by Russians. In the case of Crimea, these territories used to be inhabited by the Crimean tatars, the region became dominantly ethnically Russian after the expulsion of the native population. The Crimean tatars are mostly pro Ukrainian, but don't even have a voice in their own native lands.
So the Russian claims are as much bullshit as the other historical claims would be. About transcarpathia, considering your knowledge it could also be claimed by Slovakia then.
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@kevinyaucheekin1319 you can send as much text to justify your stuff. But the fact remains that Russia broke it's agreements first. Not to mention the fact that it isn't a blockade, as non sanctioned goods as well as persons can travel freely between Kaliningrad oblast and the rest of Russia. You can twist and turn as much as you want but the rule of law in international affairs has been destroyed by Russia. This new world in which we live, in which again might makes right, is the result of Russia's actions and now it faces it's consequences. The part about China doesn't interest me in the slightest. Why don't you mention how the Ugyhur people are doing in Xinjiang? When you've sorted your shit, come and criticize the West okay?
Otto van Bismarck famously said, that agreements made with the Russians aren't worth the paper it is written on. He was right. They have shown time and time to not be trustworthy. If they would need to break an agreement with China to improve its position, it would.
Had Russia been stronger than China (it isn't), it would have attacked you and threatened you without any difficulty if the opportunity would arise and it would benefit from it. Russia's current leaders only understand military power, international law means nothing to them, unless somebody else breaks it. There are consequences to illegal invasions, this is theirs.
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@Matt-yg8ub lol no my argument does not come down to whataboutism at all. As in this case Russia's bad reputation on the world stage considering its early actions in both Ukraine and its current actions in regards to violating the terms of its agreements with European countries and the sanctions opposed on it by its recent actions is exactly the reason why Lithuania has taken these actions. They're direct consequences of Russia's actions and therefore what I said is relevant for this subject.
But nice try, it would have been whataboutism if I would have pointed to other actions of the Russian Federation, like it's invasion of Georgia of 2008 or the numerous political killings and imprisonments of Russian opposition members. As this is irrelevant to the current situation. Again nice try.
You exactly point to the exact point I try to make with the sentence "Ukraine had a revolution and Russia no longer recognized an agreement they made with a different government". Russia has no right to just not recognize a government that was put into power by it's people, especially since there have been two governments since, which have been democratically chosen by the Ukrainian people. The fact Russia doesn't like they are pro Western governments, doesn't mean they can't just recognize any agreement they made with the country in the past.
It's laughable especially considering the Russian cries about NATO promising not to expand to the east. In which case the agreement, if it ever have been made in the first place, was made with an entirely different country and government. In that case Russia is like "we are the USSR's successors, so any agreement made with them, still applies with us". You can't just stop recognizing agreements because you don't like the government the people of another country chose.
Russia has taken this one sided unrecognizing of international agreements to the extreme with its earlier threat to annul the USSR's recognition of independence of Lithuania (which is not how recognition and international law works). Yet now it cries about Lithuania allegedly violating an international agreement, after the clear threat they made to Lithuanian independence. An international agreement that is not violated at all since there is still free movement of people and unsanctioned goods between Kaliningrad oblast and the Russian mainland.
I think countries should keep their agreements, but when you yourself have shown to be prone to break agreements and are prone to disregard your own promises, you can't expect others to keep to their word when dealing with you. This happens with people that lie and break their promises and agreements too, other people won't take them serious anymore and don't give alot of value to agreements with such people. So stop playing the victim, which is also a Russian trick, and always blaming the West. This one is on you yourself and take responsibility for this.
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@arnoldsaunders7885 and about Azov, Russia's most used propaganda, I mean shoot at a hospital then say "Azov was there" and all is good. There are some neo nazi's among, but guess what those are in every society and army, including that of your beloved UK and Russia. Calling the whole battalion facist is laughable considering they are fighting for a democratically elected government with a Jew as its president. I guess they are really bad fascists then 😂😂. Not to mention that far right parties combined had less than 2% of the vote, meaning 0 seats in the rada. Yeah there are war criminals among them, those should be persecuted just like the Russian war criminals. Every army has such idiots, but when governments are the once committing the war crimes, you know who the real fascist are. The whole war in Donbass was created by the Russians in the first place. They also kept the conflict going because the so called people's republics collapsed against the Ukrainian army so Russia intervened in 2014. No the Azov batallion as a whole can be considered nationalistic (which is not wrong by definition, you seem nationalistic as well), they're not facist or nazi.
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@arnoldsaunders7885 have you ever been to Eastern Europe? Ever been to Ukraine, to Donbass? I have. Don't start talking about Czechoslovakia as I am a half Czech. I know more about the history of the slavic peoples and eastern Europe than you will ever know. You twist and turn history. The Czechoslovak land was Carpethenian Ruthenia, funnily enough the "Hungarian" land you claim was transferred is exactly the same land. In Czechoslovak times it was an autonomous region within the state because the majority of the people were Ruthenians, aka Ukrainians. When Czechoslovakia was split by the Germans, the region declared itself the Republic of Carpathian Ukraine before being invaded by the Hungarians. The Romanian land of Bucovina and Besserabia was annexed by the USSR from Romania. Ukraine as a nation had nothing to do with this. Southern Besserabia and Bucovina became part of Ukraine whilst the Moldovan Soviet Socialist Republic was created from the remainder of Besserabia + the Moldovan ASSR (Tranistria, which was part of the Ukrainian SSR) in regards to Crimea, yes it was transferred by Kruchev to Ukraine, just before regions of the Ukrainian SR were transferred to the Russian FSR. Kinda a Soviet practice. Donbass has always been a part of the Ukrainian SSR. The regions of formery eastern Poland were once again annexed by the USSR, the majority Ukrainian regions (eastern Galicia) were added to the Ukrainian SSR, whilst the majority Belarusian regions were added to the Belarusian SSR and the Wilno/Vilnius region to the Lithuanian SSR. The Polish people were moved by the USSR to nowadays western Poland. The Czechs remember the prague spring too btw. Apparently the Czechs were facists too? Again you twist and turn history to suite your own needs. You tell half truths or keep out half the story. If we were to give the Crimeans to their native population, it would be the Crimean Tartars, displaced by the Russians btw, and guess what? They want to be part of Ukraine. The Russians living in Donbass and Crimea are colonists, moved there by the Russian Empire and USSR a remnant of colonialism. Donbass is a Ukrainian region and Crimea a Crimean tatar region. That said obviously the Russians there can live there but historical claims are bs overall, as it would mean Germany could claim alot of land, and as we can see with you, history is often twisted to suit ones need. These regions are as integral part of Ukraine as Kent is part of the UK. About the coup... don't even start, a corrupt politician was ousted by it's people. They have that right. He was self serving, they wanted to choose their own future. That's their right, just like the UK did with Brexit. It wasn't a coup. They want to be more European, I know this because I actually have Ukrainian friends and family and my sources aren't just Kremlin lies and propaganda. And yeah the other part of the country didn't like this, had you known Ukrainian history, you know the country had always been divided between pro European and pro Russian. That is until 2014, with Crimea and Donbass, and now in 2022, country is more United than ever. I guess they should thank Putin for that atleast.
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