Comments by "Dylan Vogler" (@dylanvogler2165) on "UATV English"
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@bonsummers2657 the Russian story is a lie. Their imperialist all Russian nation, which states that Ukrainians and Belarusians are part of the Russian nation, is an outdated relic. Whilst Ukraine isn't Kyivan Rus' (neither is Russia btw) the origins of its statehood lie not in the Ukrainian People's Republic or the West Ukrainian People's Republic but in the Cossack Hetmenate of the 17th and 18th century. During these times there was already a clear distinction between those living in what is now Ukraine, called Ruthenians and later "little Russians" ,which is derogatory in modern use, by the Moscovites, and the Moscovites, later called "Greater Russians" by the Moscovites themselves.
I think it is funny how most people, who say they know Ukrainian and Russian history, gloss over the Cossack Hetmenate so easily. Whilst many Ukrainian traditions and identity stems from this time. Even their predisposition towards democracy in contrast to Moscow's predisposition towards autocracy. As the leader of the Cossack Hetmenate, the Hetman, was voted into this position and not born into it.
The fact that Ukraine or Russia are the continuation of the Kyivan Rus' is obviously bs. From both of them. They are both descended from it. Just like how France, the Netherlands and Germany all claim to be descended from the Frankish Empire. However it is also false to state that Ukraine as a state emerged only in the 20th century. It emerged as a seperate state identity, under a different name but with the same people, in the 17th.
From the Russian, and Polish-Lithuanian perspective these lands were the borderlands. Which has given rise to the modern name instead of Ruthenia/Rus'. But we shouldn't forget that these lands were not always just borderlands and from a Rus' perspective they were their heartlands.
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@margaret9314 first off I never said they didn't. I pointed you to the fact that self determination is not just the right of independence (which doesn't exist). Which is what seems to be what Russians think it is. Secondly the separatists are not recognized by the international community. What they do is not the proper way to exercise the right of self determination. A proper example of this, is Scotland. Any referendum held during military occupation, and yes that is the case with Crimea, DNR and LNR, are invalid, because of obvious reasons.
Especially considering the fact that international observers were not allowed. Imagine if you lived in Kaliningrad and Germany decides that it wants it back. It invades, then holds his troops on the streets and calls for a referendum about joining Germany. While you want to vote there are soldiers outside and you know your vote won't be anonymous. What would you do mate? Exactly the reason why a referendum in occupied territories is not worth nothing.
Then there is the ally part... well if they were proper countries, they could do so. They're not, they're an rebellion. It would be like if we caused trouble in Russia and then use it as an excuse to invade. Because let's call it what it is, just a fabricated casus belli.
About the US/UK part no you can write about them, but use the dumbest possible example. Especially since there are good examples of the right of self determination in regards to Scotland, Northern Ireland as well as the Spanish region of Catalonia. But then again I shouldn't expect you to know about these things.
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♠️ Манька Облигация lol you are clearly Russian and not Ukrainian. It surrounds you like a stench. The bs about Ukrainian neo nazis using Swastikas is funny when you consider the fact that Russians use the "Z" in a way similar to how the Germans uses the "hakenkreuz". Not to mention that the extreme right has no presence to speak of in Ukrainian politics. Which despite being corrupt, is a democracy that even since 2014 has had successive democratically elected governments. This in contrast to Russia which is an autocracy which is turning more and more totalitarian with a leader that can considered extreme right, I'd even say facist considering his latest actions in regards to human rights and fundamental freedoms. This is without mentioning that is rethoric, including in speeches, resembles of A. Hitler and his "mein kampf" which is what makes the irony complete.
And about the image of christ, I am a Christian too and if you were a proper Christian you also know that there is no justification for invading your neighbours. Once more people like you, use our faith for Ill purpose. You disgrace christianity by bring banners with his face to the battlefield and bring death and pain in the name of our lord, especially since besides these banners, you have flags of the atheist and evil (not because they were atheist) USSR. About the tattoos... I think God takes more offense at you killing fellow Christians as well as innocent people including children, than he has about some people having certain tattoos on their body. You claim to be a Christen but seem to lack any Christian morals.
The Germans also believed they were the good guys fighting evil, only finding out that indeed it was good vs evil, but that in fact they were the evil. This is exactly the same now. If you are truly Ukrainian, which I doubt, you have been brainwashed by Russian bs to the point that you've become a Judas. It is clear to me that, if you are truly Ukrainian, you are sadly stuck with the little Russian attitude, in which case I feel sorry for you.
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