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@texajp1946 hmm let's compare Ukraine, the one you call Nazi's, and Russia, the actual facist state. Ukraine : democratic elected JEWISH president (worst nazis ever if they have a Jewish president) Russia: Dictator who's ideology is based on Alexander Dugin, the man who founded the National Bolshevik party in Russia (could be considered a facist party). Ukraine: hasn't ever declared war, or intervened since it's independence, Russia: Moldova, Chechnya, Georgia, Crimea, Ukraine. Soooooo. And then I didn't mention the fact that Ukraine has freedom of speech and press. Russia has neither since the new law (look alot like the laws in Germany of the 30's). Putin's speeches are like those of Hitler and Mussolini, Zelensky talks more like the leaders of the allies did. Then there is the sick rally in Moscow that looked like the nazi rallies in Nuremberg and lastly the Z symbol who's symbolic meaning and use is similar to that of the swastika in Nazi Germany. So much so that this Russian symbol will be banned in certain German states.... if the Ukrainians are nazi's they are the worst nazi's in history. No my friend, Russia is the facist state of the 21th century.
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@jpphua602 mate what are you talking about act of self defense. Only in your alternative reality is Ukraine a danger to Russia. Also you are aware Russia always has a large force near its borders right? Not to mention that it also as missles aimed at Europe. Should we therefore consider this a threat to our security.
Also I just told you why Minsk II wasn't implemented. It would litterally mean the end of Ukraine as a functioning state. As, again and by now I am surprised you still don't get it, it would mean that Russia has a veto in Ukrainian politics. To say Russia isn't involved in the Donbass War of 2014-2022 is like saying the Americans weren't involved in the Pig bay invasion. Only those believing in alternative Realities belief that.
The implementation of Minsk II would be the same as that Czechoslovakia that agreed to the Munich Agreement (more diktat to be honest). It would not have ended well for Ukraine. To put it simply, let's start an secessionist movement in your country. Let the Americans arm them (CIA loves doing so anyway), then the Americans say they have nothing to do with it, whilst everybody know they do. Then the Americans will demand, by threat of intervening (which the Russians did) that you have to Federalise and give the break away regions a veto right. Ofcourse those break away regions are puppets of the Americans so they will do whatever they say, essentially given the Americans a veto in your country's politics. That is what the implementation of Minsk II would have been like. The fact you don't understand this, is beyond me. It seems rational thinking is not your strongest skill.
About Russia intervening, it has no right to intervene even if your claim about the Donbass war was right. Which it isn't. Has in your reasoning it would be an internal Ukrainian affair. The fact is however, and this is proven, that Russian forces crossed the Ukrainian border in 2015 to assist the separatists, a violation of international law, as well as the annexation of crimea, again a violation of international law. So Ukraine arming and militarizing itself, was the country exercising it's right of self defense. After all Russian forces had crossed the Ukrainian border before. Russia however has not exercised it's right of self defense, as this right is about defending your own territory, not invading that of another state. Ukraine is now exercising this right as it is defending itself from an existential threat. Russia was never under such threat and therefor your entire comment is false. You can twist the facts anyway you like, but this is what it is.
Maybe with such a long text you will finally understand atleast 1% of the situation.
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@Jeylon Blake Ukraine, Finland, Belarus, Latvia, Estonia, Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Poland, and even some territories in modern Russia, all declared independence from the Russian Empire. So yes, these states were independent for a time in the 20th century, and most of them were forcefully incorporated into the USSR. The USSR also tried to do the same to Poland (Polish - Soviet War), the Baltic States (Estonian, Latvian and Lithuanian Wars of independence) and Finland (Finnish Civil War and the Winter War) as what they did to Ukraine (Ukrainian - Soviet War), Georgia (Georgian - Soviet War) and Armenia (Red Army invasion of Armenia)
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@pepper0604 hahaha, the whole world? Haha. Also yes I have studied history, considering I have a major in history. But considering your name, I say you probably are a Serb. Which explains why you believe in myths as if it is history and why you like to suck up to the Russians.
First off, there is nothing because of the USSR specifically, the victory was an allied victory which took the efforts of all allied nations. The USSR would have been nothing without American landlease (even Stalin and Khrushchev admitted this).
Secondly, there wouldn't have been a second world war if the USSR didn't co-start it with the Germans. Their Molotov-Ribbentrop pact enabled it.
3th to seem to not understand why the Russians had it better in winter than the Germans. It has nothing to do with growing up in harsh winters or with ethnicity or anything. Russians don't magically do better in winter. The reason why the things happend that did happen is LOGISTICS. The German logistics during barbarossa were extremely poor. Winter always multiplies any existing problems with logistics. The USSR had short supply lines as they fought in their own country, whilst the German supply lines were long and had to go over poor Belarusian and Ukrainian roads even worsening the problem. Now it is Ukraine with the better logistics and short supply lines and Russia with the horrible supply lines fighting in a hostile foreign country.
So if you for once use your brain, look past the myths they have told you as if it is truth, you might be able to understand this.
The USSR fought one other war during winter with poor logistics in a hostile country with better logistics. The winter war, tell me how that were went for the USSR? I like to remind you, that this enemy was significantly weaker than Ukraine and that the USSR was significantly stronger than Russia.
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@dimitrisgregan553 the man in government was part of Azov yes, but I not nazi. Not all of Azov is nazi. About the army, I am sure there are nazi's in the army of my country. I am also sure there are people with nazi sympathies in our parliament and maybe government. They are just not open about it. About the streets, no it doesn't make people nazi's. Naming it Hitlerstreet would, but in Bandera's case the street are named so because of the mythical Ukrainian independence fighter. Compare it to the stories if the Greek heroes of old. Because the Bandera the Ukrainians name their streets after, is as mythical as them. It's not about the historical figure Bandera. My country has statues of heroes too, who also held slaves. Doesn't make me a supporter of slavery. But we should acknowledge said historical facts with these historical figure. For example explain his misdeeds too, not only his good part. Ukrainians aren't nazi, as to be nazi you need to support the ideology, they don't. For them Bandera wasn't a nazi but just a nationalist. And again Azov has a complicated history , they defended Ukraine from collapse. This way the government atleast can control them. Because I am aware of their warcrimes. About Donbass I am aware, I have friends and family in both government and separatist controlled areas. It frustrated me that they didn't cover it here. Those 8 years were terrible for people on both sides as Ukraine bombed them and the Separatists bombed Ukraine. This is the sad part about the civil war instigated by the Russian intervention. I am pro Ukrainian, but that doesn't mean I say they are saints. But Russia's invasion has caused more death in a month in total than the civil war did in 8 years. Trust me, Ukrainians aren't nazis. There is a nationalist tendency in western Ukraine though. I have visited the country many times and the people are amazing. Not nazi's at all. Trust me my country hates the nazi's too, would never be friends with them. About symbols btw, Russian "Z" is a modern swastika in itself..these are dangerous times
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@RC-tv7hi "all of Ukraine's elections have been done in a warzone" do you even have any idea of the size of Ukraine. I have been there after 2014 and nowhere except for the Donbass, it was a warzone. So that statement is the biggest bs. About Crimea, it is not denied that a majority of the colonial Russian population voted in favour of joining Russia (the native Crimean tatar population voting against it. But eh, that's Imperialism and colonialism right? Who cares about the natives). The results of the referendum there were false, everyone with a brain knows this. The actual results were closer to 60% in favor of joining Russia (and we shouldn't forget that during this and after alot of Crimean taters and Ukrainians flet Crimea and were replaced by Russians, and old Soviet/Russian tactic).
As someone whom has actually been the Donbass, I can say that the majority in pro Ukrainian (when we talk about the entire Donbass, which the votes were about) whilst there has been plenty of evidence of pro Ukrainian people living in the so-called DNR and LNR were forced to flee or be prosecuted. The Donbass still is a majority Ukrainian region (both oblasts), only Crimea was a majority Russian, in this case Autonomous Republic, of Ukraine. Up until 2014/15 there was only a Russian plurality (not majority) in the cities of Luhansk and Donetsk, but not within the region they are. After 2014/15 these numbers have been altered after what we can consider an cultural cleansing of anything Ukrainian (as we also see in the occupied territories nowadays).
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@RC-tv7hi the referendums by definition couldn't have been legal as they contradict international law as well as Ukrainian law (and the territories are internationally recognized as Ukrainian, imagine if someone occupied Kaliningrad and would then organise a rigged referendum). The only way this could have been a legal referendum would be a. If Ukraine organised it I all the whole disputed territory or b. If the UN organised it with the approval of Ukraine. In which case both Ukrainian and Russian troops would have needed to leave the areas and UN troops would be stationed there during the referendum as to make sure they would have been no rigging. Not to mention that the vote would have needed to include an option for all residents of the disputed regions to vote, so including those living in the Ukrainian held portions and those that had the flee the territory since 2014 (so that means both those that fled to other Ukrainian territories or Western countries as well as those that fled to Russia) and would exclude the voting of Russian soldiers (for obvious reasons) and include those of the DNR and LNR native to Donetsk and Luhansk oblast respectively. Had then a majority voted in favor, the world might have accepted it. Although the fact they forced the issue militarily could have been a problem. But even if the referenda had been held in perfect conditions, including ALL Donbass people and without rigging and threating people at gunpoint as well as having had actual secret voting, it would still have broken international law and wouldn't have been recognzied due to the fact that Russia organised them in Ukrainian territory. I think I will organise a referendum tomorrow about Leningrad Oblast, the Republic of Karelia, the Murmansk oblast and the city of federal importance Saint Petersburg, joining Finland. Ofcourse I am sure the result will be between 93%-99% in favour of joining. I mean after all we let all Russians here vote, who cares about those living there?
And the claim I made about the DNR. You can literally check their own statements about the voting. How's your math? As simple math would show you that between the first and second day, according to math, it would mean no votes has disappeared (funnily enough the Russian YT channel 1420 even showed this as well).
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@marshalljulie3676 yeah you have proven my points. You just repeat what other people tell you and have not a single thought of your own. Essentially you're just a mindless orc. The biolab claim has no prove behind it, and yet you believe it is the truth. Without knowing you, I know you are low educated. As anyone with a proper education and the ability of critical thinking, know that these conspiracies make no sense. But stay in your alternative would.
NATO troops in Ukraine? Besides trainers there were, are still are none. Not to mention that Ukraine is a souvereign country and not part of Russia. Therefore whichever troops are on its soil is for them to decide not Russia. You are the clear example that one doesn't need to be Russian to be an orc and that not all Russians are orcs. Luckily I have plenty of Russian friends who use their brain and whom also say that the things you claim are bs. People living inside Russia to this day mind you )) those are true Russians and I don't hate them. Whilst those Z patriots and people like you are orcs.
Especially considering you forget to mention why Ukraine wants to be part of NATO, namely to have security guarantees as Russia broke the Budapest Memorandum of 1994 (I bet you never even heard of that). And the part about the US. I don't care man. You try to justify Russia doing horrible things by thinking about what the US MIGHT do in such situation. Not to mention that I am American I really don't get why you keep bringing them up, considering I am just as critical about them and therefore I couldn't care less about your reasoning.
Artifical hatred for Russia? I was a Russophile before 2014, when they took Crimea because my family and friends chose not to have a dictator like Russia and Belarus. Not to mention that the Russians created an artificial border between my family right through Donetsk oblast and I hate them for the sh*t they have done to my friends and family from 2014 onwards. I hate them even more since February 2014, as they came claiming to defend Russian speakers, but all cities they have terrorized for months and where they have killed so many civilians, are Russian speaking, but I am sure you didn't know this. You see I am a Russian speaker myself, my Russian is even better than my Ukrainian, what about you? Where does your artificial love for facist Russia come from? I've been to Russia actually, you too?
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@BluEclipse94 and I think the appalling thing about what Putin has done with his own population, is that I, someone who is against the Russian army is saddened about the loss of life, besides obviously the Ukrainians who died, of the Russian army. These are your guys and often even still boys. Killed before they had a chance to life. They die because an old man has illusions of grandeur. 7.000 by the lowest estimates and 14.000 by the highest.... all of these young men, your countrymen that die for nothing. And you don't even care. I think this says enough, when "the enemy" cares more about you fallen, than you yourself. They're your countrymen, not mine, how can you be so cold. They die without having truly lived whilst you sit at home living your life and you don't even care. And about the fascism in Russia, the rally in Moscow could just as well be Hitler's rally in Nuremberg. His speeches are clearly influenced by fascists, Hitler and Mussolini would have been proud. The repression of the Russian people and them being feeded with propaganda, to turn them in people like you, is from Hitler's playbook. The "Z" is a modern swastika... I honestly pity you and hope you one day realize this asshole brainwashed you.
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@redfortress7777 I don't remember Finland, Austria, Switzerland, Sweden, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Serbia being sanctioned. May just be me. Sweden and Finland want to join NATO because of YOU. The biggest recruiter for NATO is Russia. We don't need to ask them to join NATO, they come running to us. So stop crying and stop taking responsibility for your own actions. The fact that Russia is to this day, with all the opportunities that it has, such a poor and backward country, is not the fault of the West, it's Russia's own fault. Stop blaming others and start self reflecting mate. And with the sanctions, they were put on you for illegally annexing Crimea and now for invading Ukraine. Twice a reaction on an aggresive action of Russia... should the West just say "sure kill anyone you like, sure take even more land". We learned from another dictator that this would be unwise
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@franklin9400 by all means send more people in the meatgrinder 🤡. Will you go as well? It will only cause more people to flee Russia, my little orc friend. Russia which has difficulties supplying its current forces, calling up millions of men? By all means do so, anyone killed of them would be a blessing for the world.
About the NPP.. let's see what happens, its actions there show exactly that it disregards international law. About the civilian population, you reason like a nazi, without having learned any lessons of what the result was of their actions of specifically targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure. It will only cause the Ukrainians to become more resilient and hate the Russians forever. Any dream of conquering Ukraine will become impossible with these actions.
The fact that they need to resupply by buying weapons from Iran (and North Korea) is actually a show of weakness and not strength. It seems that strategic thinking is something you are not well versed in. This war, regardless of its outcome, will have long lasting negative consequences for Russian power en reputation in the world and particularly the post USSR space. As we can clearly see in the Azeri-Armenian conflict, in which Russia failed miserably to protect its CSTO ally. As well as the Kirghiz-Tasjik conflict and the fact that nobody took Russia seriously during the Shanghai Cooperation meetings. Central Asia will become part of China's sphere of influence and the caucasus of Turkey. Russia is in an worse situation now than it was before February 24th. Including Sweden and Finland joining NATO, which will soon happen, considerably weakening Russia's position in the Baltic region. Then there is the degrading of the Russian forces, something you won't fix by sending more untrained men into the meatgrinder... anyone with atleast some mental capacity of rational and critical thinking knows this. However I expect you to have either enjoyed a low or no education at all. So I am not surprised that geopolitics and strategy are beyond you.
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S D what a bullshit. Do you actually know Ukrainians? Or do you base your opinion on what you see and hear on the Internet, aka you let your opinion be formed by others ? I know alot of Ukrainians, as I have family there as well as friends. I spend a considerable time there and nobody loves war. They do love their country though and would give all to defend it and be finally free of Russia. Taras Shevchenko already in the 19th century poems that showed the Ukrainian desire for freedom. The Adolf part is even more stupid. Ukrainians aren't neo nazis this is the biggest bs ever. If you are going to start about Azov, maybe you should also read about the Sparta and Somalia battalions of the ДНР, as well as the Wagner group of Russia, which is literally named after a nazi. And the Wagner group literally loves war. With their motto being :"Death is our business - and business is good" as well as "I don't believe in anything, I am here for violence". Considering you support that side, what does that make you? No matter what answer you give now, none is good. If you say you do support them fully, it makes you a hypocrite and a nazi, and war lover, in your own logic. If you now say you don't support these groups but only Russia, than you prove another point I try to make, that the fact that there are neo nazi groups (which Sparta and Somalia are) or nazis within a group (as with the case with Wagner) doesn't make a people nazis. If anyone behaves like Hitler, it is Putin.
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S D then don't support Russia 🤦♂️.
There is only one country that has set up camps in this war. I am a decendant of a Czech man, born in Germany (but of Czech parents) as his mom fled the disintegration of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. This Czech man, which held the German nationality, moved to the Netherlands before WW II, because he didn't agree with A. Hitler. But sadly A. Hitler would come for his new country as well. So the Czech man, with at this time still the German nationality, living in the Netherlands, joined the resistance. He would be captured and brought to a camp (imagine what the Germans would do to a fellow German national they consider a "traitor".) He would be freed and survive the war. After the war he would get Dutch citizenship, in particular for his actions defending against facism. This man is the father of my grandfather. So facism and nazism is something my family despises to the core of our being.
Whilst there are nazis in Ukraine, like there are in any country, the state that meets the definition of facism and being a facist state, is Russia, not Ukraine. If you properly analyse his speeches, you will find similarities to those of Hitler. Including the terminology used.
About socialism, well I am glad we have a decent health care and educational system in most of Europe. Americans sadly associate "socialism" with communism and when they here the world socialism they think of the USSR. Whilst some countries with quite some socialist influence, like the Scandinavian and Benelux countries, are some of the happiest and richest countries on earth as well some of the strongest democracies on earth (with them outperforming the US in terms of the happiness of its population as well as the strength of democracy)..
The only mistake of the US in ww2 was waiting so long to intervene. It could have prevented alot of suffering by acting sooner. I am glad that the US has now this time decided to act earlier. In the long run it will safe American lives mate. Because if you think he will stop in Ukraine, than sorry my man, but you're living in a fantasy world.
Crimea was his Austria, as he annexed it without a reaction. And he tried to make Ukraine his Sudetenland and Czechoslovakia as a whole. After which he would have attacked the Baltic and Poland. But this time the dictator was stopped at the Czechoslovakia part if we speak in ww2 parallels.
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S D Marxism isn't right.. have you actually read his work? Marxism is from which communism arose, a leftist ideology. Nazism is extreme right my man. For once don't be a typical American and believe the people from countries that actually experienced living under the nazis. Also the communist/facist similarities are explained by the use of the horseshoe theory. An actual accepted theory.
Facism is supremacist. Extremely/ultra nationalist. To quote from Wikipedia, because I can't be bothered to go and search for the scientific books I have about the subject, :"Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy."
"Fascism rose to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I, before spreading to other European countries, most notably Germany.Fascism also had adherents outside of Europe.[6] Opposed to anarchism, democracy, pluralism, liberalism, socialism and Marxism, fascism is placed on the far-right wing within the traditional left–right spectrum".
Democratic socialism: "Democratic socialism is a left-wing political philosophy that supports political democracy and some form of a socially owned economy, with a particular emphasis on economic democracy, workplace democracy, and workers' self-management within a market socialist economy or an alternative form of a decentralised planned socialist economy. Democratic socialists argue that capitalism is inherently incompatible with the values of freedom, equality, and solidarity and that these ideals can only be achieved through the realisation of a socialist society. Although most democratic socialists seek a gradual transition to socialism, democratic socialism can support revolutionary or reformist politics to establish socialism.[7] Democratic socialism was popularised by socialists who opposed the backsliding towards a one-party state in the Soviet Union and other nations during the 20th century".
"Democratic socialism is contrasted with Marxism–Leninism, which opponents often perceive as being authoritarian, bureaucratic, and undemocratic in practice. Democratic socialists oppose the Stalinist political system and the Soviet-type economic planning system, rejecting as their form of governance the administrative-command system formed in the Soviet Union and other Marxist–Leninist states during the 20th century.Democratic socialism is also distinguished from Third Way social democracy, because democratic socialists are committed to the systemic transformation of the economy from capitalism to socialism, while social democrats use capitalism to create a strong welfare state, leaving many businesses under private ownership.However, many democratic socialists also advocate for state regulations and welfare programs in order to reduce what they view as the harms of capitalism and slowly transform the economic system."
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S D "Marxism–Leninism is an authoritarian communist ideology which was the main communist movement throughout the 20th century.[1] Developed by the Bolsheviks, it was the state ideology of the Soviet Union,[2] its satellite states in the Eastern Bloc, and various countries in the Non-Aligned Movement and Third World during the Cold War,[3] as well as the Communist International after Bolshevisation.[4] Today, Marxism–Leninism is the ideology of the ruling parties of China, Cuba, Laos and Vietnam (all one-party 'socialist republics'),[5] as well as many other communist parties, while the state ideology of North Korea is derived from Marxism–Leninism.[6] Marxist–Leninist states are commonly referred to as "communist states" by Western academics."
"Marxism–Leninism was developed from Bolshevism by Joseph Stalin in the 1920s based on his understanding and synthesis of orthodox Marxism and Leninism.[16][17] After the death of Vladimir Lenin in 1924, Marxism–Leninism became a distinct movement in the Soviet Union when Stalin and his supporters gained control of the party. It rejected the common notion among Western Marxists of world revolution as a prerequisite for building socialism, in favour of the concept of socialism in one country. According to its supporters, the gradual transition from capitalism to socialism was signified by the introduction of the first five-year plan and the 1936 Soviet Constitution.[18] By the late 1920s, Stalin established ideological orthodoxy in the Russian Communist Party (Bolsheviks), the Soviet Union, and the Communist International to establish universal Marxist–Leninist praxis.[19][16] The formulation of the Soviet version of dialectical and historical materialism in the 1930s by Stalin and his associates, such as in Stalin's book Dialectical and Historical Materialism, became the official Soviet interpretation of Marxism,[20] and was taken as example by Marxist-Leninists in other countries. In 1938, Stalin's official textbook History of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (Bolsheviks) popularised the term "Marxism-Leninism".[21]"
"The internationalism of Marxism–Leninism was expressed in supporting revolutions in other countries, initially through the Communist International and then through the concept of socialist-leaning countries after de-Stalinisation. The establishment of other Communist states after World War II resulted in Sovietisation, and these states tended to follow the Soviet Marxist–Leninist model of five-year plans and rapid industrialisation, political centralisation, and repression. During the Cold War, Marxism–Leninism was a driving force in international relations.[vague][22] With the death of Stalin and the ensuing de-Stalinisation, Marxism–Leninism underwent several revisions and adaptations such as Guevarism, Ho Chi Minh Thought, Hoxhaism, Maoism, socialism with Chinese characteristics, and Titoism. This also caused several splits between Marxist–Leninist states, resulting in the Tito–Stalin split, the Sino-Soviet split, and the Sino-Albanian split. The socio-economic nature of Marxist–Leninist states, especially that of the Soviet Union during the Stalin era, has been much debated, varyingly being labelled a form of bureaucratic collectivism, state capitalism, state socialism, or a totally unique mode of production.[23] The Eastern Bloc, including Marxist–Leninist states in Central and Eastern Europe as well as the Third World socialist regimes, have been variously described as "bureaucratic-authoritarian systems",[24] and China's socio-economic structure has been referred to as "nationalistic state capitalism".[25]"
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S D "Nazism (German: Nazismus) (/ˈnɑːtsiɪzəm, ˈnæt-/ NA(H)T-see-iz-əm),[1] the common name in English for National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus, German: [natsi̯oˈnaːlzotsi̯aˌlɪsmʊs] (listen)), is the far-right[2] totalitarian[3] political ideology and practices associated with Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party (NSDAP) in Nazi Germany. During Hitler's rise to power in 1930s Europe, it was frequently referred to as Hitlerism (German: Hitlerfaschismus). The later related term "neo-Nazism" is applied to other far-right groups with similar ideas which formed after the Second World War."
Nazism is a form of fascism,[4][5][6][7] with disdain for liberal democracy and the parliamentary system. It incorporates a dictatorship,[3] fervent antisemitism, anti-communism, scientific racism, and the use of eugenics into its creed. Its extreme nationalism originated in pan-Germanism and the ethno-nationalist neopagan Völkisch movement which had been a prominent aspect of German nationalism since the late 19th century, and it was strongly influenced by the Freikorps paramilitary groups that emerged after Germany's defeat in World War I, from which came the party's underlying "cult of violence".[8] Nazism subscribed to pseudo-scientific theories of a racial hierarchy[9] and social Darwinism, identifying the Germans as a part of what the Nazis regarded as an Aryan or Nordic master race.[10] It aimed to overcome social divisions and create a homogeneous German society based on racial purity which represented a people's community (Volksgemeinschaft).".
"The term "National Socialism" arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of socialism, as an alternative to both Marxist international socialism and free-market capitalism. Nazism rejected the Marxist concepts of class conflict and universal equality, opposed cosmopolitan internationalism, and sought to convince all parts of the new German society to subordinate their personal interests to the "common good", accepting political interests as the main priority of economic organisation,[11] which tended to match the general outlook of collectivism or communitarianism rather than economic socialism. The Nazi Party's precursor, the pan-German nationalist and antisemitic German Workers' Party (DAP), was founded on 5 January 1919. By the early 1920s, the party was renamed the National Socialist German Workers' Party in order to appeal to left-wing workers,[12] a renaming that Hitler initially objected to.[13] The National Socialist Program, or "25 Points", was adopted in 1920 and called for a united Greater Germany that would deny citizenship to Jews or those of Jewish descent, while also supporting land reform and the nationalisation of some industries. In Mein Kampf, literally "My Struggle", published in 1925–1926, Hitler outlined the antisemitism and anti-communism at the heart of his political philosophy as well as his disdain for representative democracy and his belief in Germany's right to territorial expansion.[14]"
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@antoniodomene the first part is the problem (the Russia part, not the fact you have sons or that they are Russian). You clearly have a biased view. I have a Ukrainian girlfriend, Ukrainian family and Ukrainian friends. Living all through Ukraine, from Lviv to Donetsk and from Kyiv to Odessa. These people don't want a pro Western government because the US, or anyone, intervened in their country.
They are pro Western, because they want something different than the past. They don't know what the EU or the USA will bring them, but they do know what a future within the Russian world brings them. They remember the holodomor as well as the anti Ukrainian and Russification policies that have been happening there for centuries.
They didn't hate Russia, they do know, but just wanted a better future. Russia as achieved what no Ukrainian politician could have ever done, unite the country.
I would like to remind you that Russia chose this war. They can also end it by just leaving Ukraine. Ukraine has no chose in the matter, as stopping to fight the invaders, will mean they country, culture and people will seize to exist. No Ukrainian "loves" this war, but the war is an existential one for them, there is no choice. They all just want their country back, in the borders that were agreed in 1991 (which even leaves alot of ethnic Ukrainians in Russia, namely the Kuban, so they really don't ask much) and be left alone by Russia. All they want is freedom from Russia and that Russia leaves them alone. That is the only reason they want to join NATO.
About the last part, I am a Dutch national but with clear Ukrainian roots. I would fight for them if needed. Would you not consider it my war? After all are we not all responsible for upholding international law so we won't slip back into the 20th century was which were so destructive? Imagine those conflicts with modern technology. Btw this applies both ways, I also strongly opposed the American interventions in the middle east and Libya. Vietnam was before my time.
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@damienhaydon2703 you clearly have no experience with what Ukrainian society is like, at all and base all of your views on the opinions of others and therefore have no opinion of your own. Have you done your own research? I don't mean searching online, but to actually speak with Ukrainians and ask them about these things. I have visited Ukraine many times form West to East and North to South. Spoken to the locals and their views. So from personal experience I can say, that calling them nazis is bs. That would be akin with calling you a nazi. And whilst I don't agree with you, I don't think you're a nazi. From secondhand experience (as I never had the opportunity to visit Russia but I do have friends there) I would say that Russia has more traits of a facist, authoritarian and now totalitarian state, than Ukraine. I have always been able to freely interview Ukrainians for my researches. No fear of prosecution. Whilst Russians always told me to use a different name and to be sure that we used an app which the government agencies couldn't check. I think that says enough. It taught me that the thing you are doing now, disagreeing with your government's policy, is not everywhere as normal as it is for us. Being able to say you disagree without persecution isn't as normal in a large part of the world, including Russia, as you'd think.
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@Eyak Len nobody is scared you clown xD. We didn't invade Ukraine, Russia did. So, all of this. Is on them. 100k dead Russians for 0 NATO soldiers is hell of a k/d ratio for NATO )). Stop obsessing about the West. The war is with Ukraine, one of their own making. Your nuclear weapon bs is hilarious. Nobody gives a f*ck. Am I to believe that a man so scared to die, that he has a small army as bodyguards, hides in a bunker, has food tasters and a table that radiates small d*ck energy just to have people far away enough to not get covid, will commit nuclear suicide by starting MAD? I don't think so.
About RIA Novosti.. lol. Bro, just be quiet then. How can you talk about the war without even knowing RIA novosti, TASS, etc. ? As that litterally is Russian statemedia. Aka under Kremlin controll. Most of your pro Russian bs comes from them. Including the article about victory in Ukraine in the morning of the 4th day.
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@cairoti by all means, go to Russia. Dare to say something the govermment doesn't like there and see what happens. You alternative right wing idiots are so incredibly dumb. And traitors too. Uneducated idiots who will just follow a strongman who tells them what they should believe because they lack the mental capacity to think for themselves. Instead just look at one strong dude/woman who promises them the past glories and fantasies. Please move to Russia, take your family with you. Let them get drafted, then when they inevitably cross the road, come back to me okay?
About Ukraine, maybe go there, speak to the people from there, especially those from Kharkiv, Kherson, Mariupol and many others, maybe you will finally understand. Or maybe just go there and with a bit of luck a stray rocket blesses the world.
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@dimitrisgregan553 so first of the coup thing... nope it wasn't. It started as a peaceful protest by the Ukrainians against a corrupt, self serving government. Guess what, the people have the right to do that, perhaps not in your facist state, but in Europe it is. By using deathly violence against the protesters he made the situation for himself impossible. Yanukovich himself fled the country causing a constitutional crisis. He was replaced, soon after there were DEMOCRATIC elections, I know something you don't know in Russia. Poroshenko was elected as well as a new government. Azov, you idiot, didn't even exist at the time. Azov came into existence because Russia illegally invaded Crimea. The whole referendum was bullshit. In polls it was revealed that had their been an option to vote to stay within Ukraine, it would have gotten the majority. Not to mention armed men near the voting sides.. doesn't really encourage democratic voting. Then the separatist uprisings in Donetsk and Luhansk by a minority. In Kharkiv they also tried this, but they were defeated. Later they found out that the protesters didn't even come from Kharkiv. Due to the almost collapse of the Ukrainian state and army under sudden Russian aggression, the government had to rely on armed militias. And this is when Azov came into play. The Ukrainian far right movements don't even have a seat in the rada. Stop believing everything your führer tells you. Ukraine chose to leave the Russian world, characterised by corruption and poverty, and try to join the Western world. They have the right to do this. They have seen the result for Poland and the Baltic states joining the western world, not crazy they want this right? The whole reason they want to join NATO is the aggression of 2014... they were, and still are, a neutral state militarily since their independence. Luckily I do have Russian friends that use their own brain and see what is really happening instead of believing all that the old lunatic says.
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@dimitrisgregan553 first off Azov =/= UPA, so Bandera being linked to Azov is stupid. About the Germans, yes correct, but they weren't openly known to be Jewish. There are Nazi's in Ukraine yes, as there are in any country, including my own, including Russia. Sadly it's something that can never be fully eradicated.
Part of Azov is neo nazi correct. And it's symbolism like the black sun and the wolfsangel are neo nazi, nobody except Ukrainians, will deny this. However not the whole battalion is neo nazi, they are nationalist yes. Nationalism has risen in Ukraine due to Russian aggression. This tends to happen in countries that are in conflict. Ukraine is as much nazi as say Sweden or Finland, aka not. Russia itself nowadays shows more facist traits than Ukraine.
About Bandera, I am perfectly aware of him. He was a nazi collaborator, leader of the UPA. Who was of no importance to the Ukrainians. Until the USSR killed him and mishandled the whole situation. Suddenly Ukrainians saw Bandera has this great fighter for Ukrainian independence. Especially in Western Ukraine (seen this myself) he is considered a hero. This simply is myth forming. The Bandera the Ukrainians see as a hero, isn't not the historical figure Bandera. His myth has only grown because of USSR and Russian mishandling of this phenomenon. It has become a classic story of the hero of one country is the enemy of another. But as I said historical evidence has shown that Bandera was insignificant. A man who collaborated with the Germans and did mass killings himself. It has also shown that the Bandera the Ukrainians support is a pure result of mystification and myth forming. Essentially they are no longer the same person. He is just a symbol that represents Ukrainian independence as much as the Ukrainian trident is. By continuing to focus on this, the Russians make the (West-) Ukrainian believe in him even bigger.
I base this few on the research of a historian specialized in Ukrainian political and social history. If you want I can search for his name, as I forgot, and the article he wrote about this subject. It is actually a interesting read. It showed me how dangerous myth forming is (the Russians have the same problem surrounding Stalin).
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@sopissedoff mate stop pushing your anti EU message that is what I am trying to tell you! As you are preaching division. Your entire statement of Ukraine not being were it is without the United Kingdom for example. Ukraine is were it is because of Ukraine. Without their heroic efforts, there would have been no point in supporting them. Has the UK helped alot? Obviously and the Ukrainians love the UK for it. But lets be honest, all credit for this amazing job they are doing is for the Ukrainians themselves. We are in this together mate. That is what I am trying to keep saying to you. Keep the anti EU crap out of this. Let's discuss that again AFTER the war. To say the EU hasn't contributed, that isn't right either. And about the oil, yeah thank Hungary for example.
And the reason they put up the EU flag. Which is what I am trying to explain to you each time, is not because of the EU in of itself. I myself think the EU should be reformed and that it is flawed. However for us on the continent the situation is different than for you on the island. I personally am very glad that my country isn't at risk of ending up a battlefield once more in a Franco-German conflict and that instead they work together. The EU flag for such Ukrainians just stands for becoming part of Europe, of the West. Alot of Ukrainians that I know, they have this idealic idea of Europe and the West overal. Do the point I often have to tell them that things aren't perfect either.
So I try to say it once more , keep the brexit stuff to brexit related stuff mate. Don't bring it into the Ukrainian stuff. Because whether you like it or not, the EU is also your ally in this. Truth is, that I have seen more EU flags in Ukraine during my time there, than in my own country, which is an EU member. That is why I say the flag means something else to them, than to us. I personally don't feel pride at that flag, but it has meaning to atleast some Ukrainians. A contrast to the русский мир I guess. A hope for a better life I guess. If the EU flag is the right one for that, that's a different question. But again now is not the time to speak about what divides us, but instead what unites us.
That said. Слава Україні!
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@yellowtunes2756 if my family and I were speaking German (better example because it is our larger neighbor) because this part of the country had been germanized for a long time and they would tell my children that they would need to learn Dutch at school, because we are part of the Netherlands, I would understand. I would ask for the possibility to be able to speak German at home and in public. But would understand them needing to speak the national language on school and administration. Kinda like how it is in every other country including Russia. Their children can speak Russian, most of my friends speak Russian and teach it to their children. The fact they need to speak Ukrainian at school or when going to government institutions doesn't mean they can't speak Russian in their free time and with their family. You can still teach your child Russian, you are exaggerating the problem.
I could switch the story for you as well, so you can also see the Ukrainian point of view. As this story has two sides and not just the one you have. Imagine if Ukraine would occupy Kuban for a few hundred years now. Ukrainenized the region and because of it the people now speak mostly Ukrainian, having completely banned the use of Russian and it's culture within the territory (which Russia did yeah during the Russian Empire to Ukraine, the Ukrainian language was forbidden within Ukraine itself imagine that). Then finally Kuban returns to Russia, wouldn't you want this region to speak Russian again? Because it used too? So wouldn't you also reintroduce Russian school etc?
To me it sounds that many Russians and Russian speaking people often consider the Ukrainian language inferior (the same that happend here with French. Dutch was inferior the nobility spoke French).
I don't deny there are nazi elements in Ukraine, they are not "glorified" though. That would be the same as me now saying that you are a supporter of a mass murderer for idolising Lenin because he is responsible for 5 million deaths. Let alone Stalin. Then there is Alexander Dugin, someone I would consider a facist, who directly inspires Putin. So yeah when you're country is saintly in this regards, start to criticise others.
Btw the whole we need to protect Russian speakers or ethnic Russians... I hope you are aware how similar this sounds to the reason for the anshluss and the claim on the Sudentenland as well as that it was a casus belli for the German invasion into Poland... so yeah I don't agree with doing that mate. It's an excuse of an aggressor state to justify its irredentism.
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@thechroniclegamer4285 yeah and sleeping soldiers are considered neither. They're not incapacitated nor unconscious, as the moment they wake up they can fight you. They're not defenseless either... or am I also not allowed to shoot at a soldier that is not aware of me?
The article you cite applies to either captured soldiers (POW), severely injured soldiers, whom are therfore incapacitated, or those rendered unconscious by enemy actions.
So in essence it applies to those that are incapable of harming you, sleeping soldiers are capable of doing so the moment they wake up. Essentially it is the same as bombing aircraft when it is still on the ground.
Not to mention, that if your definition would have been true, Russia themselves has committed this multiple times.
A point could have been made that technically you could have considered it a warcrime as the Geneva conventions state, that anyone should be given a chance to surrender. In practice this is not applied in these cases.. as stealth missions would also become impossible if you have to give everyone the chance to surrender. So no it is not a warcrime. But this actually would have some merit, but it is clear your knowledge of the conventions is quite limited.
As others have stated, militaries have a watch at night for particularly the reason, that there is a risk of attacks whilst the soldiers are asleep.
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@kitdikiy lol LGBT propaganda....how messed up are you. I am also raised with traditional family values. But we live in the 21st century mate. I don't support the LGBT community, but don't hate them either. It's called live and let live. This once more shows your ignorance and the fact you generalise an entire contintent and more.
Russia isn't rising mate. It's doing the age old thing of creating and external enemy to hide internal difficulties. You are falling for it. Your whole post is full of indoctrination mate. You are the example why nazis supported Hitler.... I feel sorry for you. Not to offend you, but until Crimea, nobody in the west cared one bit about Russia. It was just another country. However Russia always have this misplaced arrogance of needing to be a great power, and here we are.
The example you give about freedom of speech was an American. I don't really care about that. The list of examples of what Russia has done in this regards is a lot longer. But that is exactly the point, you react on something I say with a counter accusation. That says that you know what your country does is wrong, but try to make it right in your mind, by saying others did it too. Two wrongs don't make a right.
We can have different opinions, that is the western way of thinking. You can be against LGBTQ and not support it. But let the people be. The difference is that I do think progressive about women, I am not more just because I was born a man, and I think that we should live and let others live. Whilst your government is imposing its views onto others.
I sincerely hope that one day you will see that you were fooled and indoctrinated by your own government. Russian people are lovely people just misinformed and massively used by their governments. It's sad you never had real freedom. You are being taught to hate, like the nazis were. You even talk like them. I hope one day the Russian people will be freed from this and see the truth. Just like the Germans did.
In the end the arrogance, aggression and the world you are creating now, in which international law means nothing, will backfire on your country. As it did the Nazis. They too spoke about the rise of Germany and that they didn't own the west anything. Just want to remind you.. I think Hitler would be proud of you.
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