Comments by "Dylan Vogler" (@dylanvogler2165) on "Amanpour asks top Ukrainian official about strike in Russia. See his answer" video.
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@dimitrisgregan553 the man in government was part of Azov yes, but I not nazi. Not all of Azov is nazi. About the army, I am sure there are nazi's in the army of my country. I am also sure there are people with nazi sympathies in our parliament and maybe government. They are just not open about it. About the streets, no it doesn't make people nazi's. Naming it Hitlerstreet would, but in Bandera's case the street are named so because of the mythical Ukrainian independence fighter. Compare it to the stories if the Greek heroes of old. Because the Bandera the Ukrainians name their streets after, is as mythical as them. It's not about the historical figure Bandera. My country has statues of heroes too, who also held slaves. Doesn't make me a supporter of slavery. But we should acknowledge said historical facts with these historical figure. For example explain his misdeeds too, not only his good part. Ukrainians aren't nazi, as to be nazi you need to support the ideology, they don't. For them Bandera wasn't a nazi but just a nationalist. And again Azov has a complicated history , they defended Ukraine from collapse. This way the government atleast can control them. Because I am aware of their warcrimes. About Donbass I am aware, I have friends and family in both government and separatist controlled areas. It frustrated me that they didn't cover it here. Those 8 years were terrible for people on both sides as Ukraine bombed them and the Separatists bombed Ukraine. This is the sad part about the civil war instigated by the Russian intervention. I am pro Ukrainian, but that doesn't mean I say they are saints. But Russia's invasion has caused more death in a month in total than the civil war did in 8 years. Trust me, Ukrainians aren't nazis. There is a nationalist tendency in western Ukraine though. I have visited the country many times and the people are amazing. Not nazi's at all. Trust me my country hates the nazi's too, would never be friends with them. About symbols btw, Russian "Z" is a modern swastika in itself..these are dangerous times
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@dimitrisgregan553 so first of the coup thing... nope it wasn't. It started as a peaceful protest by the Ukrainians against a corrupt, self serving government. Guess what, the people have the right to do that, perhaps not in your facist state, but in Europe it is. By using deathly violence against the protesters he made the situation for himself impossible. Yanukovich himself fled the country causing a constitutional crisis. He was replaced, soon after there were DEMOCRATIC elections, I know something you don't know in Russia. Poroshenko was elected as well as a new government. Azov, you idiot, didn't even exist at the time. Azov came into existence because Russia illegally invaded Crimea. The whole referendum was bullshit. In polls it was revealed that had their been an option to vote to stay within Ukraine, it would have gotten the majority. Not to mention armed men near the voting sides.. doesn't really encourage democratic voting. Then the separatist uprisings in Donetsk and Luhansk by a minority. In Kharkiv they also tried this, but they were defeated. Later they found out that the protesters didn't even come from Kharkiv. Due to the almost collapse of the Ukrainian state and army under sudden Russian aggression, the government had to rely on armed militias. And this is when Azov came into play. The Ukrainian far right movements don't even have a seat in the rada. Stop believing everything your führer tells you. Ukraine chose to leave the Russian world, characterised by corruption and poverty, and try to join the Western world. They have the right to do this. They have seen the result for Poland and the Baltic states joining the western world, not crazy they want this right? The whole reason they want to join NATO is the aggression of 2014... they were, and still are, a neutral state militarily since their independence. Luckily I do have Russian friends that use their own brain and see what is really happening instead of believing all that the old lunatic says.
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@dimitrisgregan553 first off Azov =/= UPA, so Bandera being linked to Azov is stupid. About the Germans, yes correct, but they weren't openly known to be Jewish. There are Nazi's in Ukraine yes, as there are in any country, including my own, including Russia. Sadly it's something that can never be fully eradicated.
Part of Azov is neo nazi correct. And it's symbolism like the black sun and the wolfsangel are neo nazi, nobody except Ukrainians, will deny this. However not the whole battalion is neo nazi, they are nationalist yes. Nationalism has risen in Ukraine due to Russian aggression. This tends to happen in countries that are in conflict. Ukraine is as much nazi as say Sweden or Finland, aka not. Russia itself nowadays shows more facist traits than Ukraine.
About Bandera, I am perfectly aware of him. He was a nazi collaborator, leader of the UPA. Who was of no importance to the Ukrainians. Until the USSR killed him and mishandled the whole situation. Suddenly Ukrainians saw Bandera has this great fighter for Ukrainian independence. Especially in Western Ukraine (seen this myself) he is considered a hero. This simply is myth forming. The Bandera the Ukrainians see as a hero, isn't not the historical figure Bandera. His myth has only grown because of USSR and Russian mishandling of this phenomenon. It has become a classic story of the hero of one country is the enemy of another. But as I said historical evidence has shown that Bandera was insignificant. A man who collaborated with the Germans and did mass killings himself. It has also shown that the Bandera the Ukrainians support is a pure result of mystification and myth forming. Essentially they are no longer the same person. He is just a symbol that represents Ukrainian independence as much as the Ukrainian trident is. By continuing to focus on this, the Russians make the (West-) Ukrainian believe in him even bigger.
I base this few on the research of a historian specialized in Ukrainian political and social history. If you want I can search for his name, as I forgot, and the article he wrote about this subject. It is actually a interesting read. It showed me how dangerous myth forming is (the Russians have the same problem surrounding Stalin).
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