Comments by "G. F. W." (@g.f.w.6402) on "Weird History"
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@AshLey.9 what about the 3 million german civilians killed by the british and americans in area bombings? And what about the people who originally lived in the USA, Canada and Australia? Did they all disappear voluntarily? If we are talking about who should feel guilt for what for at least another 100 years, we are at the following nations: USA, Canada, Australia, UK, France, Spain, Portugal, Germany, Russia.
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@blucolife I dare to make an all-round statement. Stalin also established gulags. The Soviet variant of the concentration camps. But because the Stalinist SU was needed, practically everything was forgiven. The result we see today in Ukraine. Apparently, the West thought that the Russians would stop conquering and illegally occupying German territory in 1945 via the detour of the Polish westward shift. The establishment of Pinochet was absolutely necessary, considering the extreme measures that Allende had already adopted and still wanted to adopt. None of this had anything to do with democracy in the Western sense. Socialism and democracy do not go together, because socialism does not imply ever leaving voluntarily. Socialism/communism always ends in terror everywhere. Lucky is the one who never had to experience socialism/communism for real - unfortunately I had to experience it for real in my first years of life in the GDR and it was hell on earth. Fascism was not so extreme, so inhumane - especially in Spain and Italy, where the old elites, such as the church, sat in government. This also distinguishes real fascism from that in Germany, where none of the old elites were involved because they were opposed by the national socialists. Instead, the nazis had de facto suspended the market in the socialist manner and constantly spoke of the "worker. Jews did not play a major role in the public propganada until around 1940.
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@blucolife The term "moral relativism" does not exist in science. Relativism/to put things into perspective is necessary. A Pole once said to me, when I pointed out the expulsion of millions of Germans from areas that had been German for over 1,000 years and the associated crimes: "That's just the way it was back then". Afterwards I realized that he was actually right. British concentration camps in South Africa around 1900, German concentration camps in the early 1940s, British concentration camps in Kenya 1952-1960, mass extermination of the civilian population in French Algeria 1954-1962: that was just the way it was back then. People thought different back then and its the task of a a historian to take this into account and not to see the past with the eyes of the present.
Another important lesson about concentration camps or, for that matter, what happened to Alan Turing: there are many ways to kill a human being and just as many ways to label the whole thing. Concentration camp, gulag, sterilization (death by instigation/suicide)... In the end it comes to the same thing. Do not say I. Said sometime an intelligent scientist, I read during my history course.
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@blucolife Okay, let's take a look. As a history graduate, I'm happy to do that. Yes, the SU existed for a long time. Therefore, it is important to look at what Stalinism did. Stalin was not better than Hitler. Let's continue. If you want to be scientific, you MUST relativize. History first semester. Euthanasia: The Swedes were worse, the British were not better. Lebensborn: here de facto nobody came to harm. Measures for procreation are demanded and promoted by politicians in many countries until today. The "innocent" German communists in the concentration camps were not so innocent, but partly serious criminals like murderers or at least etrem dangerous. This could be seen impressively in the GDR afterwards. And as far as the persecution of communists is concerned, the USA was almost worse in the McCarthy era in the 1950s. You have to understand that communism is a dangerous, totalitarian ideology. Forced sterilization: Alan Turing was also forcibly sterilized as a gay man in the UK, even though he had saved the UK from invasion. To give just one example. I don't want to defend the NS, but relativization is the basis of scientificity. Many other western countries were no better, the SU was partly much worst.
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