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Comments by "Fredinno" (@innosam123) on "What if the North had Won the Korean War?" video.
Johny Ricco Japan and Vietnam would literally be the only thing holding communism from taking over Asia at that point, so yes. Japan would want a larger navy if nothing else. Thing is that China was a bit of a different thing- Korea was pretty clearly aggression by not just a communist nation, but another sovereign nation annexing another one- if the USA refused to help South Korea, what about West Germany? Russia still theoretically had claims on the Turks and Finns. The Red Scare was also much stronger in the 50s.
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What if Colonialism never ended?
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What if South Vietnam survived?
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Kowalski From Nebraska The Congo was an autocratic state that’s wasn’t even technically a colony, it was under the direct rule of the King of Belgium. It’s not much different from Mobutu’s Congo, really, aside from more hand chopping. You know, a Black dictator, instead of a white one raping the Congo to line his pockets. Note that Leopod’s Crimes were a massive political Scandal when it was found out, and Belgium afterwards had a fairly benevolent rule to the Congo- during Mobutu’s rule, there were Congolese who actually wanted the Belgians back because the ‘colonizers’ were less tyrannical. Also, Capitalism and Colonialism have lasted for much longer than Communism.
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Kowalski From Nebraska Moboutu nationalized most of the important resources to give to his friends, sir. That’s not capitalism. So, I guess Mao killing 40 million is more fine because it was a small number of people on a per capita basis? What? Is a murder in 1400 less big a deal than a murder in 2000 because the world population is smaller?
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Kowalski From Nebraska ... No, I explained why it’s not capitalistic. State control of the economy is literally the antithesis of capitalism.
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Also, it would have eliminated Korean Christianity other than minorities outside Korea.
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Johny Ricco That doesn’t matter, Japan needs a large navy if it’s not protected by another power to prevent it from starving, not to prevent it from getting invaded. Taiwan and Jeju are very strategic locations to block Japan’s supply lines off, even without naval superiority. I mean, it’s building up a navy now despite still being protected by the USA, having buffer space, and having a stagnating and indebted economy with much of the population being pacifist.
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Kowalski From Nebraska Cuba has a life expectancy nearly exactly of that of the USA. Wow, real impressive. It’s no Finland. Also, it’s no secret that Cuba has been stuck in time. The American embargo has not been enforced since the 70s. The USA is actually a major trading partner with Cuba- 6.6% of its imports come from the USA. It’s not an Iran. They have, but 1. The environment is not just Carbon emissions- Even China is wealthy enough to actually start focusing on the environment more. CHINA. 2. They’ve ‘exported’ industry due to free trade. If the USA stopped trade with most of the developing world in a decade, most of the factories that would go back to the US would be cleaner. Capitalism still existed when countries used Mechantilistic trade structures. And I’ve pointed out it’s a false equivalency. No sane person would argue that Gengis Khan was less evil than the British Empire. The British Empire killed more people- only because the British empire lasted longer than a generation. The fact you can’t understand that context matters more than just plain numbers is baffling.
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Kowalski From Nebraska Cuba life expectancy: 78.7 years. USA Life expectancy: 78.3 years. I mean, if American stopped eating so much Hamburgers and Budweiser, they could probably get back that 0.4 years of life expectancy. ;) And the USA isn’t even a shining beacon of life expectancy or healthcare in the capitalist world. Not even close. What Cuba has done for being an impoverished 3rd world country is pretty good. But Cuba’s economy or political structure isn’t a model to follow. And I already pointed out the USA does large amounts of trade with Cuba. It’s not Mexico or Canada- the two still don’t like each other. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_embargo_against_Cuba “In 2009, the United States Chamber of Commerce estimated that the embargo was costing the United States economy $1.2 billion per year as a result of the legal structures that prevented American exporters from entering Cuban markets.[56] The Cuba Policy Foundation (CPF) has provided more extreme data; its estimates put the cost of the embargo at $4.84 billion per year while costing Cuba $685 million per year.” That’s 0.7% of Cuba’s GDP. Wow, that’s one hell of a blockade. It’s not the USA. That’s an excuse the Castros trot out when they need someone to blame. Honestly, the blockade doesn’t even make sense anymore, but the Americans have been adamant of getting rid of the Castros first. So...
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Kowalski From Nebraska And again, the Cuban economy produces $100Billion in products per year. Also, apparently, like a lot of socialists, you can’t do math, because 62 years since the start of the embargo, times 2 is $124 Billion , not $1 Trillion. So not only is your assertion so insanely wrong it’s off by nearly a multiple of 10, but $124 Billion is also only about 1.25 years of 2018 GDP. An issue? Yes. Iran loses that much money to oil sanctions alone in less than 3 years. Cuba has no one to blame but itself for economic failure. Yeah, doctors/capita is what we should be concerned about the most. It’s not like machines exist. It’s not like systems could be more efficient and thus need less professional doctors.
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infant jones I never said that.
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What if Contraceptives never existed?
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Kowalski From Nebraska Kowalski From Nebraska Capitalism allowed for people to be wealthy enough to actually care about smog more than other problems enough to enact those regulations. And China is also far poorer than the USA. You shouldn’t account for population, because energy use is what is driving climate change, and energy use correlates with wealth. Any given industry in China is dirtier than a comparable factory in the USA or Europe. People still make textiles and electronics in the west. Social Democratic Societies are still capitalistic, just with a social welfare distributive system. Stalin liquidating the Kulaks and the Holodomor were actually communist- the idea was to accelerate the Soviet Union’s economic development at all costs (including starving the countryside) and to purge Bourgeois elements.
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infant jones https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperialism “Imperialism is a policy or ideology of extending the rule or authority of a country over other countries and peoples, often by military force or by gaining political and economic control.[2]” Though what I’m referring to is actually closer to Colonialism: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonialism “Colonialism is the policy of a country seeking to extend or retain its authority over other people or territories,[1] generally with the aim of economic dominance.[2]”
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Wouldn’t China not be as developed because the USA would never sign trade deals with China to balance against Russia after being nuked by China?
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Medical Art Not really, that was just Britain. Portugal, Germany, Belgium, etc had different flavours of colonialism, and what happens to China was kind of ignored.
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Kowalski From Nebraska No, because Imperialistic societies are not necessarily capitalistic and vice versa. Ask how Hungarians and Poles felt about being under the Warsaw Pact. Capitalism is an economic system. Imperialism is a foreign policy objective. Lumping them together like how you’re doing makes no sense to me. I know leftists often lump the two together, but they aren’t the same thing and shouldn’t be treated as such. And I see we at least agree on the blanket support part. Note that most healthcare systems, including the American one, are highly socialistic or at least government-guaranteed. Even Singapore has a government-guaranteed healthcare system. Healthcare is a bad place to compare competencies for Capitalism vs Socialism.
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Johny Ricco Eh, those sorts of things don’t stop Iran from trying to set up puppets in the Middle East.
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