Comments by "Fredinno" (@innosam123) on "Is Spacex facing bankruptcy?!" video.
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@jonasmanuel
Yeah. And 1 didn’t need to use Falcon Heavy (and yet another may not be using Falcon Heavy, so we can’t add that to the list.)
2022 is a bit of an abnormal year.
2023 sees 1 Falcon Heavy launch (so far).
Most of the customers after that are government customers, and most of THOSE payloads were originally on SLS (secondary or primary) until Block II was pushed back and Clipper was moved off.
The story is complicated, but originally the Gateway was supposed to use excess capacity on SLS Block II and IB to launch logistics and components.
Note that as this used excess capacity on SLS, not new SLS launches, the savings aren’t particularly obvious. (If existent.)
NASA will be paying for Block II anyways, the only difference is when the money is spent (Block I and IB rely on Shuttle heritage booster segments that aren’t being built anymore. Note the boosters have had few real upgrades since the 70s, and Grumman has put USAF and its own money into developing new boosters for OmegA.)
SLS was never competing for Pysche, it was competing against Vulcan.
I would imagine that Vulcan Heavy would be able to properly compete against FH once Vulcan Medium flies a few times, which would explain the abnormal 2022 flight rate. They have no competitors. Temporarily.
Well, save money or time? Time is money too.
We’d have had a Europa Lander for years now if Cassini and Galileo didn’t have to fly around Venus and Earth so many times, since outer planet missions tend not to get new funding until the previous ones send data back.
SLS (even Block I) is oversized for Psyche (approx payload to Jupiter is 5mT for Block I, about double the mass of the probe- and Psyche isn’t going to Jupiter...)
SLS was never on the table for Psyche. The only possibly is if Clipper and Psyche were on the same launcher, but that’s probably not worth the effort (bad timing).
Also, the RS-25 cost estimates cited for that figure include production restart costs as well as development costs for the new engine version. They literally just divided the contract by the number of engines.
The same sort of accounting gives a cost number of $53M per F-1 engine, while Rocketdyne estimated a per-engine cost of $30M (Space Review, not sure if links work here, I’ll give them if you want them.)
So the simple division is a really bloated cost estimate that’s not fair to the RS-25.
Aerojet Rocketdyne refuses to give real cost of the engine, but that’s pretty much never given out in the industry (aside from Raptor, which is apparently a disaster if the leaks are to be believed).
The usual cost estimate for RS-25 before those leaks is $40 Million, which is also an uncited number tossed around the internet.
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