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Simon, as always, on hand to defend Islam. Though his theological premise, that 'God only wants good to everybody', is the proof he needs that Islam is a false religion - because it is replete with violent and oppressive commands - he has yet to make that obvious deduction.
His first sentence sums up Islam perfectly, but he injects his own beliefs into the stabbing and then redirects to Christianity as having similar problems. He is wrong. When violence is committed by a Christian, supposedly on behalf of Christianity, it is transgressive and in error, because there is not scriptural basis for it, however, when it is carried out by a Muslim on behalf of Islam, it follows a centuries of tradition and has a ridiculous amounts of scriptural basis for it. It is not 'a false idea' to a Muslim.
Simon is projecting his own world view onto Islam because he made up his mind decades ago that they were compatible, and to question that would be extremely painful for him.
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What Russian channels has Simon been watching? When he leaves the metaphorical shores of England he does have the habit of falling on his face. 2:34 Does not mean NATO would 'not be moving east', as German (part of NATO) forces would be allowed into East Germany following reunification, and Germany still remains under the US nuclear umbrella.
Simon, making his case for Russian defence, forgets that Russia has been an aggressor nation, invading Poland 1918-21 and 1939, Finland in 1939, Hungary in 1956 and Czechoslovakia in 1968, and that NATO is a defensive alliance to prevent this kind of thing happening again.
Simon may be sympathetic to Russia wanting a 'buffer zone' (i.e. an area of Russian control) on their border, but that would mean having jurisdiction over the internal affairs of sovereign nations - why should that be allowed? The Russian attitude toward their place in the world - 'Ruski Mir'- does not mean the buffer countries would be 'neutral' Simon, but satellites. Putin said it himself, the dissolution of the Soviet Union (that is freedom for Eastern Europe and former occupied soviet territories) was a 'disaster'. There is only one factor, one person, responsible for the invasion of Ukraine and that is Vladimir Putin.
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Fairy stories? Germany not only began the war but also the bombing war with Warsaw and Rotterdam - Harris' statement is correct, not a falsehood. The Germans 'sewed the wind', even if RAF bombers did hit them first. What is the point you are trying to make here, that the Germans were the plucky ones facing a mighty foe? The fact that Britain had an Empire made it weaker not stronger, as those far flung places had to be defended and were a drain on resources. I've never heard of this 'David against the mighty Goliath' narrative you purvey - it was simply the fact that we had not listened to Churchill and were playing catch up in an arms race with Germany, especially as so much materiel had been lost in France. Britain did fight alone, surrounded by a ring of U-Boats and commerce surface raiders, such as Bismarck, Tirpitz, Graf Spee and Scharnhorst anxious to join in - Italy also had a navy, as did the Vichy regime, which could have been used against us. The Battle of the Atlantic is something you ought to look into as your grasp of military and strategic affairs appears to be weak. The Polish and Czech pilots who fought in the Battle of Britain didn't bring their own Spitfires and ground crew with them you know, and were grateful that someone was there to enable them to take the fight to the Nazis - they would have had no misgivings about sending RAF bombers over Germany to give them a taste of their own medicine.
I would much rather our people had positive 'myths' in their heads than have no conception of what their forebears achieved in what is still living memory.
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Islam is always on the march, whatever the makeup of the players, Arabs, Turks, Saracens, Berbers, Umayyads, Abbasids, Fatimids, Seljuks, Timurids, Mamelukes, etc etc are either fighting the unbeliever or each other.
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Yes the resurgence of Islam today is the fault of the west in the way opening a lion's cage tends to be life threatening to anyone near the lion after it emerges. Metaphorically, we have forgotten that the lion is dangerous, and will act in a way that is in its nature. Bluntly, colonialism kept Islam in its cage, but now while we reproach ourselves for our racism, white supremacy and Eurocentricity, Muslims do what Muslims do, which is to assert 'Allah is greater than you (Allahu Akbar), your religion and your culture', and act accordingly, as we shrink from opposing it. Its time to close that cage once again.
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Codswallop. Simon talks as if he heard about Christianity second-hand from a Jew when he was on a kibbutz, and later from some Muslim woman he met in a library.
The Hadtih ARE scriptures to Muslims as they describe the example and sayings of Mohammad critical to the codification of Sharia. Mohammad has the last word on what Islam is, NOT the Qur'an - much less the Bible, the book from which the Qur'an is partially, and badly, plagiarised.
'The Book of Jesus' is a Muslim invention, a misunderstanding of the four Gospels ABOUT Jesus, not written BY Jesus. The Lord didn't speak to Jesus, as Jesus IS Lord, something Muslims absolutely deny, enabling them to arrogate Jesus to their own faith in the person of Isa, a Muslim Prophet in the Qur'an. When Muslims speak about 'revering Jesus' to gullible Christians they are referring to Isa, not Jesus Christ. There are no Christian theologians who agree with Islam on its view of Christianity, as it is a heresy.
Wow, the Christian Bible includes the Torah, you don't say. What else is new? The Old and New Testaments have the same Almighty in them; the coming Messiah is promised in the former and arrives in the latter. Muslims pretend that they worship the same god, but the Islamic persecution of Christians and Jews throughout its history demonstrate this to be a fraud.
Simon likes to think a Christian has more in common with a Muslim than an atheist because their religions are "closely bound up together". Wrong, they aren't. Christians are commanded to love one another regardless of their faith. While, on the contrary, Islam divides the world uncompromisingly in two, between those who Allah loves (believers) and those who Allah does not love (unbelievers). Islam has so many executable crimes, so many violent obligations, and so many unpleasant and criminal permissions, that Muslims ONLY have other Muslims in common. What should be borne in mind is that they are commanded to fight those who reject Islam, whether they be Christian, Jew or atheist.
Simon needs to do some serious reassessment.
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It’s not a ‘weird idea’ to dislike and mistrust Islam. It was the default position of Europeans, especially those who came into contact with it, until the 20thC. It is amazing how you, who have documented the (Islamic) white slave trade, cannot see that that practice is a window onto the Islamic mindset that existed in history and still exists today. Islam does not and can not change.
As a ‘hard-line liberal’ who wants to see ‘strict demarcation between religious belief and civil society’, you ought to be on a collision course with Islam, as it totally rejects any such concept. You may think religion is a ‘private affair’, but Islam is not, it is a deen, a complete way of life, encompassing religious observance as well as the legal affairs and societal norms of the (Muslim) state. You say those who incline to this belief are ‘Islamists’. You can call them what you like but those Muslims who DON’T believe in this are actually heretics, or apostates, and not real Muslims. They simply don’t have any justification in Islamic law or doctrine to oppose it.
Islam is not a democracy where Muslims get to decide what is and isn’t Islam, ‘I’ll have a bit of this and a little less of that’. Mohammad always gets the last word on this, and the worst elements (Islamists) are always ready to enforce it.
‘I am very keen on Islam.’ You say, but don’t explain why. Is it some fairy tale Arabian Nights fantasy you got hold of in childhood? If you knew anything about the teachings of Islam you would know that the majority of Islamic scripture by subject concerns the unbelievers (you); specifically how they are unfavoured by Allah, and go into graphic detail the curses and punishments Muslims and Allah will meet out to them in this life and the next. Why are you oblivious to this? Is it too painful to have your decades long illusions shattered?
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