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Simon, as always, on hand to defend Islam. Though his theological premise, that 'God only wants good to everybody', is the proof he needs that Islam is a false religion - because it is replete with violent and oppressive commands - he has yet to make that obvious deduction.
His first sentence sums up Islam perfectly, but he injects his own beliefs into the stabbing and then redirects to Christianity as having similar problems. He is wrong. When violence is committed by a Christian, supposedly on behalf of Christianity, it is transgressive and in error, because there is not scriptural basis for it, however, when it is carried out by a Muslim on behalf of Islam, it follows a centuries of tradition and has a ridiculous amounts of scriptural basis for it. It is not 'a false idea' to a Muslim.
Simon is projecting his own world view onto Islam because he made up his mind decades ago that they were compatible, and to question that would be extremely painful for him.
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French rather than French speakers married into the Anglo-Saxon aristocracy, and they were still speaking French into the C15th. Look for the French names, Beauchamp, Beaufort, Curzon, Fortescue, Herbert, Grenville, Grosvenor, Montague, Neville, Spencer. Any name with the prefix Fitz.
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What Russian channels has Simon been watching? When he leaves the metaphorical shores of England he does have the habit of falling on his face. 2:34 Does not mean NATO would 'not be moving east', as German (part of NATO) forces would be allowed into East Germany following reunification, and Germany still remains under the US nuclear umbrella.
Simon, making his case for Russian defence, forgets that Russia has been an aggressor nation, invading Poland 1918-21 and 1939, Finland in 1939, Hungary in 1956 and Czechoslovakia in 1968, and that NATO is a defensive alliance to prevent this kind of thing happening again.
Simon may be sympathetic to Russia wanting a 'buffer zone' (i.e. an area of Russian control) on their border, but that would mean having jurisdiction over the internal affairs of sovereign nations - why should that be allowed? The Russian attitude toward their place in the world - 'Ruski Mir'- does not mean the buffer countries would be 'neutral' Simon, but satellites. Putin said it himself, the dissolution of the Soviet Union (that is freedom for Eastern Europe and former occupied soviet territories) was a 'disaster'. There is only one factor, one person, responsible for the invasion of Ukraine and that is Vladimir Putin.
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Fairy stories? Germany not only began the war but also the bombing war with Warsaw and Rotterdam - Harris' statement is correct, not a falsehood. The Germans 'sewed the wind', even if RAF bombers did hit them first. What is the point you are trying to make here, that the Germans were the plucky ones facing a mighty foe? The fact that Britain had an Empire made it weaker not stronger, as those far flung places had to be defended and were a drain on resources. I've never heard of this 'David against the mighty Goliath' narrative you purvey - it was simply the fact that we had not listened to Churchill and were playing catch up in an arms race with Germany, especially as so much materiel had been lost in France. Britain did fight alone, surrounded by a ring of U-Boats and commerce surface raiders, such as Bismarck, Tirpitz, Graf Spee and Scharnhorst anxious to join in - Italy also had a navy, as did the Vichy regime, which could have been used against us. The Battle of the Atlantic is something you ought to look into as your grasp of military and strategic affairs appears to be weak. The Polish and Czech pilots who fought in the Battle of Britain didn't bring their own Spitfires and ground crew with them you know, and were grateful that someone was there to enable them to take the fight to the Nazis - they would have had no misgivings about sending RAF bombers over Germany to give them a taste of their own medicine.
I would much rather our people had positive 'myths' in their heads than have no conception of what their forebears achieved in what is still living memory.
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Islam is always on the march, whatever the makeup of the players, Arabs, Turks, Saracens, Berbers, Umayyads, Abbasids, Fatimids, Seljuks, Timurids, Mamelukes, etc etc are either fighting the unbeliever or each other.
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Yes the resurgence of Islam today is the fault of the west in the way opening a lion's cage tends to be life threatening to anyone near the lion after it emerges. Metaphorically, we have forgotten that the lion is dangerous, and will act in a way that is in its nature. Bluntly, colonialism kept Islam in its cage, but now while we reproach ourselves for our racism, white supremacy and Eurocentricity, Muslims do what Muslims do, which is to assert 'Allah is greater than you (Allahu Akbar), your religion and your culture', and act accordingly, as we shrink from opposing it. Its time to close that cage once again.
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These lies and half truths are being recycled because Putin keeps 'reminding' people of them, and his useful idiots think they are 'facts' that put him in the right. Neil has absorbed the lie that Russia has unique security needs and rights that must be observed, and that the military industrial complex in the west is behind the war. If so, why wasn't Ukraine supplied with everything it needed? It has been given scraps piecemeal, and part of the reason for that is there just isn't the production levels anymore after the end of the Cold War. it's not the 50s, 60w and 70s anymore.
Neil Oliver will one day hide his face in shame that he ever came out with such rank propaganda.
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What an amazing landslide it was. Max Hastings "most of us think he is unfit", speak for yourself mate. He's a million times more fit than Biden (even beforesenility). These people are utterlycorrupt. People want Trump, it's not a matter of not wanting a 'blackwoman' - blackmen didn't want her.
It's absurd for him to say that the American people are susceptible to misinformation because they chose Trump - choosing Biden, Pelosi, Schumer, Newsome and the rest, is susceptibility to misinformation; it's one hoax after another - climate change,Russian collusion,fakevax,George Floyd,BLMmostly peaceful protests, the insurrection, the border is secure, Trump is afascist, LGBT, Trump is anti-NATO. Then there's the cancelling, censorship and lawfare against opponents. GOOD RIDDANCE to those who are behind all that.
Hastings is a great historian and journalist, but his understanding of what is going on is nil.
16:21 This bloke has it right.
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19:26 What Bridgen is saying is 'Russia gets the veto', nothing can happen that Russia doesn't want. So if Ukraine wants to join the EU and NATO Russia gets the last word on it. NO. He's right, what he says in unpalatable. The promise to Gorbachev was that nuclear weapons wouldn't be put in East Germany, there was no undertaking to not allow Soviet bloc countries to join NATO.
Does Bridgen think Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Albania, Bulgaria, Romania should be ejected from NATO because Russia doesn't like them in the alliance? Why does he think Sweden and Finland have just joined? Russia is a menace to its neighbours and always has been.
Slava Ukraini.
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3:40 Konstantin is gravely mistaken, he's made the wrong inference. The 'civil war raging in the_Muslim world' is simply the perpetual Jihad, and the lack of understanding in the West is that Islamism and_Islam are one and the same thing not opposing forces. Those places that have banned so-called 'islamists' have not banned islam, they still espouse it and believe it should rule the world, but should leave their kingdom, emirate or country to be incorporated last. There isn't a 'range' of versions of_Islam, just_Muslims who aren't going the whole hog and those who are. Konstantin may personally know some moderate_Muslims, but_Islam itself is not moderate. When push comes to shove moderate_Muslims ALWAYS buckle to the force of_fundamentalists. That has been the see-saw for 1400_years because_Muslims_do not, and cannot, define_Islam, they can only submit to it, and only one person says what it is -_Mohammad.
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Why the West is wrong about Islam? Oborne failed to make a case, or even attempt to. This was just a series of assertions, not even arguments. He hardly spoke about Islam at all, this was just him saying how wrong Rupert Murdoch, Michael Gove, Douglas Murray and others are without substantive evidence. I was waiting for refutations that, in his words, the West thinks Islam is a “barbarous, cruel religion, which threatens the West and is seen as evil”, but none came.
The contention that the clash of civilisations was false was not even attempted. Oborne obviously knows next to nothing about Islam, and has either been conned, or is content with the virtuous bliss of ignorance. However, his idea that the Muslim Brotherhood is a ‘prophylactic against violence’ betrays some knowledge. You have to ask the question, why would members of the Muslim Brotherhood be getting ideas about violence? Where would they be coming from?
And someone ought to inform him that ‘Love thy neighbour’, is not a tenet of Islam, as it has no concept of random fellowship, only bitter division.
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43:52 After successfully dealing with the Darryl Cooper/Tucker Carlson anti-Churchill nonsense, Niall Ferguson flips into talking about race saying things that are a million times more controversial than Cooper:
"We are, as a species, multicoloured, and there’s all kinds of variants within homo sapiens, but no speciation; we’ve stayed the same species all the way. And that is why it is perfectly possible for a Scotsman and a Somali to have two beautiful boys. And God bless them, and God Bless All The Children Who Are Produced By Mixed Unions. In Britain and the United States, All over the world, they are the future, and it’s a beautiful future. They look better on the whole than people of pure race – no disrespect to my white children from my first marriage who are also very beautiful. But this is the future.
We CAN’T AVOID this future, unless we want to go EXTINCT AS A SPECIES. WHY? Because population collapse is a reality for a whole bunch of ethnic subgroups: East Asians collapsing populations, total fertility rate well below replacement, actually below unity; and the population of people who are of white descent – people like me of almost entirely Scottish lineage – that population is falling. Now falling population is not something we should take lightly; if you look beyond 2100, the human population is likely to collapse back down towards 2 billion with much greater speed than people realize. (This is something that Elon Musk talks about, and people think he’s crazy.) It’s absolutely right, and we should look much more closely than we tend to at what is causing the collapse of fertility all across the world.
The only place it hasn’t happened, though it may happen, is SUB-SAHARAN AFRICA, and that’s where human population between now and the end of the century is going to grow. So what’s the plan? I’m interested to hear. Are we going to stop Africans coming to Europe, and for that matter to North America? Are we going to build some enormous wall, and keep them in Sub-Saharan Africa? Is that the plan? If that’s your plan, if you want to just keep the societies of what you could call ‘the North’ as they are, stop any further shift from WHITE to BROWN in the average complexion, the average pigmentation, you have got to explain to me how that has to work ECONOMICALLY.
There are a great many ELDERLY voters in this country who want two incompatible things: they want to have no immigration and no inflation. Guess what? If you don’t have any immigration…if you had had no immigration for the last 10 or 20 years there would be much higher inflation today than there is because the population of the labour force would simply be much smaller. So this is from an economic point of view relatively straight forward, THERE WILL BE MASS MIGRATION, THERE WILL BE MISCEGENATION, THERE WILL BE MORE BROWN PEOPLE.
The question is, what are we going to do about it? Keeping the Africans out of the rest of the world is a doomed enterprise. THE ONLY QUESTION THAT INTERESTS ME, IS HOW DO YOU MAKE THE ASSIMILATION PROCESS AS SUCCESSFUL FOR EVERY AFRICAN AS IT HAS BEEN FOR MY WIFE. That must be possible, it doesn’t seem impossible that we could sell the benefits of Western Civilisation to all immigrants…….So the issue for me is not can we stop immigration and be like Hungary? [Have you been to Hungary? Do you think Hungary has a future? It doesn’t have a future. It’s ageing out as a society] The question is, what do we do to make assimilation work so that the multiracial societies that we have already created - that we can’t uncreate - are harmonious, productive and committed to the ideals of freedom."
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Codswallop. Simon talks as if he heard about Christianity second-hand from a Jew when he was on a kibbutz, and later from some Muslim woman he met in a library.
The Hadtih ARE scriptures to Muslims as they describe the example and sayings of Mohammad critical to the codification of Sharia. Mohammad has the last word on what Islam is, NOT the Qur'an - much less the Bible, the book from which the Qur'an is partially, and badly, plagiarised.
'The Book of Jesus' is a Muslim invention, a misunderstanding of the four Gospels ABOUT Jesus, not written BY Jesus. The Lord didn't speak to Jesus, as Jesus IS Lord, something Muslims absolutely deny, enabling them to arrogate Jesus to their own faith in the person of Isa, a Muslim Prophet in the Qur'an. When Muslims speak about 'revering Jesus' to gullible Christians they are referring to Isa, not Jesus Christ. There are no Christian theologians who agree with Islam on its view of Christianity, as it is a heresy.
Wow, the Christian Bible includes the Torah, you don't say. What else is new? The Old and New Testaments have the same Almighty in them; the coming Messiah is promised in the former and arrives in the latter. Muslims pretend that they worship the same god, but the Islamic persecution of Christians and Jews throughout its history demonstrate this to be a fraud.
Simon likes to think a Christian has more in common with a Muslim than an atheist because their religions are "closely bound up together". Wrong, they aren't. Christians are commanded to love one another regardless of their faith. While, on the contrary, Islam divides the world uncompromisingly in two, between those who Allah loves (believers) and those who Allah does not love (unbelievers). Islam has so many executable crimes, so many violent obligations, and so many unpleasant and criminal permissions, that Muslims ONLY have other Muslims in common. What should be borne in mind is that they are commanded to fight those who reject Islam, whether they be Christian, Jew or atheist.
Simon needs to do some serious reassessment.
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Good post. One of the problems is that Islam comes in so many different guises - Barbary pirates, Saracens, Ottomans, Seljuks, Fatimids, Abbasids, Moors, Tatars, Arabs,Turks etc that the problem isn't identifiable to the ordinary person.
In England we didn't develop a folk memory because Catholic Spain and France emerged as greater foes, and the Turks were seen as an ally against the Russians. Then the Arabs against the Turks. In India and elsewhere in the Empire Muslims came under our rule and many colonial Brits from that perspective saw no danger.
Too many have taken on board the politically correct history that the Crusades were the worst thing that ever happened.
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Professor Gerdes this guest is talking utter nonsense. The media is not right-wing, there isn't any element of the MSM that isn't culturally woke. Labour are not centrist (Starmer's a self proclaimed socialist), and the Conservatives did not lose because they went to the right, but because they didn't, they went woke globalist and betrayed their promises. Reform are actually the true centre ground. Political correctness is extremism, state multiculturalism is extremism, open borders is extremism, not deporting illegals is extremism, climate alarmism and Net Zero is extremism, LGBT is extremism, speech codes and cancelling is extremism, lockdowns and vaccine mandates are extremism. The corporate media led by the BBC have narrowed the Overton window so far that common sense and objecting to the managerial state are now 'far-right'. Trump and Farage supporters understand this and are intent on resetting the system. 80% of the electorate did not vote for this Labour landslide and Labour have fewer votes than last time. Labour didn't so much win as the Conservatives lost.
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@historypolitics108 Neutral bridge? That's just rhetoric he doesn't explain.
"The West must understand that, to Russia, Ukraine can never be just a foreign country. Russian history began in what was called Kievan-Rus. The Russian religion spread from there. Ukraine has been part of Russia for centuries, and their histories were intertwined before then. Some of the most important battles for Russian freedom, starting with the Battle of Poltava in 1709 , were fought on Ukrainian soil. The Black Sea Fleet — Russia’s means of projecting power in the Mediterranean — is based by long-term lease in Sevastopol, in Crimea. Even such famed dissidents as Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn and Joseph Brodsky insisted that Ukraine was an integral part of Russian history and, indeed, of Russia."
The West must understand this, but what of the Ukrainians? He is craftily suggesting they voluntarily see things Russia's way.
He suggests "Ukraine should have the right to choose freely its economic and political associations, including with Europe". Then contradicts himself by saying they should not join NATO. He believes "if Ukraine is to survive and thrive, it must not be either side’s outpost against the other". How would NATO prevent Ukraine from surviving and thriving? Only Russia presents this threat.
This is what he got right. "Russia must accept that to try to force Ukraine into a satellite status, and thereby move Russia’s borders again, would doom Moscow to repeat its history of self-fulfilling cycles of reciprocal pressures with Europe and the United States."
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@Mr_Gheo Putin moved to occupy Kiev in Feb 22 - he expected capitulation and that Ukraine falling under Russian control.
He believes the end of the Soviet Union was a tragedy, not because he was wedded to communism, but because it was a continuation of the Russian Czarist Empire. He believes in Ruski Mir, that The Russian Federation, being the largest country in the world, is also the greatest culture and greatest power in the world, with inherent rights over all neighbours.
Never mind Ukraine (which he doesn't even see as a country) he wants back the Baltic States, Poland, Finland and Georgia with a dominating presence over the whole of Europe.
Ukraine is the start, if he gains control there he will have Ukrainians drafted in to his army to be the meat waves of his next war.
He wants NATO to fall apart so he can take on his next targets piecemeal.
If you don't believe me, ask Sweden why they have have ended hundreds of years of neutrality to join NATO.
Russian propaganda is so pervasive people don't even realize they have been affected by it. It's constand and relentless.
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@GodfreyBloomOfficial Godfrey, thank you for replying. I’m interested in facts. I greatly appreciated your part in the in the Brexit debate. The EU, the vaxx, the lockdowns, the reset, the climate change crisis, net zero, are all opposed by people of deep knowledge and understanding of those subjects and there are many of them. I cannot find any such who support your views on Ukraine. Russian mouthpieces like MacGregor, Scott Ritter, the Duran and Tucker Carlson, just use assertions, straw men, half-truths and lies. Your justified suspicion of western MSM has caused your mental stylus to jump from one bad groove into one even worse. Russian media is just state propaganda. You talk about Goebbels, he was only around for about 13 years, the misinformation of the NKVD, KGB and FSB has been around over a century. You have bought their story because it’s not the BBC, not because it’s factual. Russia is desperate for western dupes to make the case for ‘peace’ i.e. their defacto ownership of Crimea and Donbass, so they can retrench even more and prepare for future hostilities at a time of their choosing. This ‘peace’ will mean that aggression works; something we fought two world wars to disprove. Our traitorous rulers are our problem to deal with. Just because the west is dysfunctional doesn’t mean a kleptocratic war criminal who hates the west is our friend.
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It’s not a ‘weird idea’ to dislike and mistrust Islam. It was the default position of Europeans, especially those who came into contact with it, until the 20thC. It is amazing how you, who have documented the (Islamic) white slave trade, cannot see that that practice is a window onto the Islamic mindset that existed in history and still exists today. Islam does not and can not change.
As a ‘hard-line liberal’ who wants to see ‘strict demarcation between religious belief and civil society’, you ought to be on a collision course with Islam, as it totally rejects any such concept. You may think religion is a ‘private affair’, but Islam is not, it is a deen, a complete way of life, encompassing religious observance as well as the legal affairs and societal norms of the (Muslim) state. You say those who incline to this belief are ‘Islamists’. You can call them what you like but those Muslims who DON’T believe in this are actually heretics, or apostates, and not real Muslims. They simply don’t have any justification in Islamic law or doctrine to oppose it.
Islam is not a democracy where Muslims get to decide what is and isn’t Islam, ‘I’ll have a bit of this and a little less of that’. Mohammad always gets the last word on this, and the worst elements (Islamists) are always ready to enforce it.
‘I am very keen on Islam.’ You say, but don’t explain why. Is it some fairy tale Arabian Nights fantasy you got hold of in childhood? If you knew anything about the teachings of Islam you would know that the majority of Islamic scripture by subject concerns the unbelievers (you); specifically how they are unfavoured by Allah, and go into graphic detail the curses and punishments Muslims and Allah will meet out to them in this life and the next. Why are you oblivious to this? Is it too painful to have your decades long illusions shattered?
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@katiehettinger7857 The 'he's been there' argument doesn't fly. The essential issue is the difference between Muslims and Islam. He's met Muslims but he doesn't know Islam. Into the mix is the ethnic element. Arabs, Kurds and Turks. Islamic State identified as Muslims first, Arabs, second, while the Kurds were Kurdish first and Islamic second.
Review what happened in Egypt in 2011-2013. With the connivance of Obama, his supposed ally, Hosni Mubarak was overthrown after mass protests. "Hurrah the dictator has been removed, 'the Arab Spring' is the desire for democracy", we were told by the media. Elections then put the Muslim Brotherhood in power, (Mohammad Morsi) who then proceeded to make that permanent with a Sharia constitution. The biggest mass protests in history then followed resulting in an army coup the removal of Morsi and the installation of a secular strong man (Abdel Fattah el-Sisi), and the cycle was complete. Although all the players maintain their Muslim identity, when Sharia rule is on the cards the human reaction is 'no thanks'. Removing dictators in the Islamic world unleashes a far worse beast.
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Peterson hasn’t really got much of an insight into politics. He uses the tired terms ‘left’ and ‘right’ as if they have definable meanings that everyone acknowledges, and he wants to inhabit some mythical centre between them. 45:50 “The nationalist authoritarian right” he believes is as a thing, when if he understood anything would know that is the left that is authoritarian in nature. He suggests that the ethno-nationalists (whites) are a possible danger without explanation of how or to whom. He dismisses identity politics but doesn’t see that today if a group doesn’t play identity politics they lose. White people need to see themselves as a group now as all other identity politics is specifically an assault on them. He attempts to belittle white identitarians on an individualist level as if individualism is everything: “what the hell does it have to do with you…you Goddam loser?” To be white and NOT caring about racial identity is the mindset of the loser because whites are going to be outnumbered in their own societies, and the future of white race and its cultural and intellectual heritage is in danger. Having made the nonsense statement: “you identify with the group because you don’t have anything of your own to offer, and so it’s pathetic”, he jumps to speaking of Nazi Germany as if that particular leftist movement, at that particular time, exemplifies ethno-nationalism for all times and all circumstances. 1:14:13 he totally dodges the question that individualism is a European (white) characteristic because his philosophy is based on the delusion that all peoples and cultures are equally individualistic, because race is just skin colour. Nonsense Peterson, everything YOU are is a product of your whiteness, not something abstract like your humanity or your egocentric individuality.
Ryan Faulk has a great Peterson analysis here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR5oJW0MoYw
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I can see why you are a fan of Peterson; he’s devoted to the idea of individuality as a universal norm, and would that non-whites did too, but it is a fact that it is only whites, as a group, that embrace this concept. Whites are the only group that reject their in-group preference, the only group that calls members of their own group ‘racists’, the only group that institute state multiculturalism and replacement levels out-group immigration into their homelands. So whites are the least racist in their attitudes, while, paradoxically, the race card can be relentlessly played against them while they cannot play it themselves.
Peterson is pushing against an open door with most whites as they don’t have any sense of themselves in terms of group identity politics. Conversely his individualism ideas will fall on deaf ears with blacks, Hispanics, Jews*, Chinese because they gain advantage from acting together, against whites - who are often quite happy to help them. It is wise, as well as natural, for them to identify exclusively with their own group because in the US there is a diversity industry based on the suicidal altruism of the white the host population. Look at Starbucks flagellating themselves because the wasters who asked to leave their business, when they wouldn’t buy anything, were black and not white. [His channel was removed from YouTube but Colin Flaherty had a message for white liberals who want to involve themselves blacks: “you have to understand, they are just not into you”.]
The pinnacles of white achievement are something for all whites to investigate and be proud of regardless of their ‘class’. They are genetically/culturally/historically connected to Shakespeare, Leonardo, Copernicus, Rembrandt and Mozart in a way that an Africa can never be. The necessity for black role models is advocated for young blacks in order to excel themselves - but not whites? That’s a double standard.
* of course, they have it both ways; they are white (and individualistic) when it suits them, and an ethnic group when it suits them.
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