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Comments by "jean-louis pech" (@jean-louispech4921) on "Is Fascism Right Or Left? | 5 Minute Video" video.

Free healthcare is when peoples can get healthcare when they need. This what left systems offer, and they give the best healthcare system, because they protect everybody. A system of healthcare limited to the riches, limited by money, is not free, it is private. Because private system generate exclusion from the healthcare, it limits the freedom of peoples. It means that a lot of peoples have bad or no healthcare, and then that the global healthcare is bad. The American system that exclude several poor peoples has the same medical number for this poor peoples than third world countries. Then there is nothing good with a system based on private healthcare only while an all public healthcare can give good results and then allow freedom to peoples to fits they deep need (this is individualism by definition).
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@maverickcoyote3526 yes their first target for assassination were socialist, social democrats, communists. on the other hand the big capitalists of the industry were friends with hitler, the best proof are working camps for industry owning a name of capitalist owners.
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Fascism is a far right ideology. It is based on value of order, hierarchy and identity, right wing values at their best, the antagonist of Liberty, Equality, Fraternity of the Left since the French Revolution. Fascists parties are always on far right, the party of mussolini was on the far right side of the Italian assembly. It is a simple point to find. The first target of assassination from fascists parties are left wing poepels. It is total absurdity to put fascist on the left side, because it does not stand any serious analysis. Fascism = left is just a liar.
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But this is ridiculous the claim of this video. Thsisi the proof that : you don't know history of the fascism , nor the real ideological antagonism between left and right. Anyone with political and historical culture know that fascists are far right, and put them on the left is totally absurd. The arguments based on history and political analysis are in a message above. And after reading that no sane and rational peoples can say that fascist are left wing. All the real facts put fascists in the far right side.
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@optimist8309 the global conception of left right are the same along the countries, this allow alliances of parties across frontiers on the basis of the same ideological orientation. The real left/right axis is about ideological antagonism, it comes from the French revolution , and it foes not change with frontiers.
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your message is a lie. social democracy , a typical left wing movement, made the Nordic countries with the higher level of human freedom and best index of human developpement. Then it does not suck. Far right suck it makes non human societies like nazism, fascism, slavery , Islamist jihadist, etc....
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@Humanity Galatica Yes , this is the proof that stalin is not left wing. He is just left wing, socialist, communist, for the propaganda. On the other hand political psychology analyses him with Right Wing Authoritarian psychology. Left wing, progressives, peoples, are driven by empathy, stalin has no empathy.
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@nationalistcanuck7800 Wrong a guy in a far right party enforcing a far right ideology and destroying the left wing of his contry is far right. This is the base of the logic. You are just trying to spread ignorance.
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@nationalistcanuck7800 Stalin was oppressing or killkng peoples defending communism, i like the real marxists, without any russian name aidded, or the anarchists communists. The fool believe in the words of stalin, the wise judges stalin on the facts.
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@Humanity Galatica Lenin is a borderline case, but what involved in a logic of success of the revolution at all cost. Unlike stalin, Lenin had several real left wing points of view , but had authoritarian practices about political power. He was agaisnt stalin as ruler, and had justified fears about authoritarian bureaucracy , etc... As intellectual Lenin was left wing, as politician ruler , he was far less left wing. Stalin was never an intellectual. Trotsky and Lenin were on the left wing of the Bolshevik party, stalin sided with the right wing of the party.
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@Humanity Galatica You are stupid if you believe the claims of a totalitarian ruler. Then what you say about Marxists is a joke. Real Marxists are not stupid, unlike racists, ultra religious, etc... that we found on far right. Ideologies as logic of ideas is the only real rational subject of study. The rest is just superficial views, manipulations, etc... The Left wing was build on a logic of idea that stalin rejected with his regime.
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@jme7298 socialism : +abolition of the economic exploitation of the workers + giving rights to the workers + giving the control of the power to the workers in the enterprise, and abolition of the private power of the minority of owners well this is a full left wing economic politic. Nazism : + exploitation of the workers including slavery in camps. + removing all rights allowed by the republic of Weimar to the worker + forbidding strikes and unions of workers, assassination of union leaders + alliance with the great capitalism, national and international like american industrial cartels and Bush family. nazism looks to socialism like elephants look like mouses. nazism is antagonist to socialist on economic point of view, on politic point of view, etc... This is why nazis were allied with the right wing conservative, get support of the big capitalism against communism and socialism, and murder or persecute socialists, communists, etc....
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you speak about facts!!!! when facts does not fit with theory , propaganda do not look facts. Then for telling that fascism is left wing, they have to forget ALL the elements from history and political analysis that recall that fascism was a far right ideology.
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@NatanFIL But you speak of communist parties ruled by peoples with Rigth Wing Authoritarian psychology... like stalin or mao. You speak of peoples who have persecuted socialists, Marxists, etc.. like the fascists and other far right movements. At the war of Spain stalinians have executed socialists, anarchist, republicans, etc... I had to recall you that socialism anarchism, and all other relatives movements is the real far left.
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@lukeirmer5316 Google offers a large span of sources. You can fond a lot off historical sites. But for narrow minded peoples like you, being able to find Real informations against propagande is a bqd thing.
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we can find proofs in historic on precises and adequate facts and political fact where was fascism on the left and right. some historical points : war of Spain : a pure ideological war the Spanish left ( republicans, anarchists, socialists, etc... ) against the Spanish far right ( franco, the militaries and reactionaries ). Fascists and nazis sided with ...far right against the left. And nobody at this time was not surprise, this is why Franco and is other Europeans relatives , from the far right, were labeled fascists at this time. Well far right 1 - left wing -1 the position in the political assembly : fascists and nazis sat their ass on the far right side of their respective assembly. This is the second proof that they were self identified as far right. far right 2 - left wing -2 target of assassination : if you look who was targeted for assassination you can see clearly on which side they are and who are their greatest enemies. The first target of fascists and nazis were left wing leaders : socialists, or social democrats, union leaders, left wing intellectuals etc... Then the first enemy of the fascists is the left, like for all far right movements. If you look the history of the fascism in Italy at its beginning, it is all about violent conflict with the Left, but propaganda doesn't care about facts. far right 3 - left wing -3 proof by the political alliances in the assemblies : as parties on the far right side they made alliance with the right wing, the conservatives, the great bourgeoisie, etc... this is not what do Left Wing parties, but only right wing parties. far right 4 - left wing - 4 on the ideological side : The left versus right antagonism is an ideological antagonism then an antagonism of values, principles, etc... The bases were given at the time of the French revolution, and developed/extended with socialism + (Marx + Engels) on economic side along the 19th century. Fascism main values are Order, Hierarchy, Identity, like all far right ideologies, while left wing values are Liberty, Equality, Fraternity, the exact antagonists values. Far right 5 - Left Wing -5 From the French Revolution the antagonism of power is : right wing = rule of one or a minority over the majority. left wing = shared power for all (democratic power). Again fascism fits with the right wing side, against the left side. far right 6 - left wing -6 From this point we can see on economic power where fits fascism, nazism, etc... Real socialist ideologies, with Marx, Engels, etc... are based on the left wing power : a collective power of all the members of the enterprise, or democratic economic power. Then Left wing parties defend collective organization of workers for defending their rights against the power of the capitalist, and it is called unions. Capitalism was built on the power of some capitalist over the great number of workers, and is defended by right wing parties. The more they are on the right side, the more parties are against union, or any form of sharing power with workers. Under fascism and nazis workers had no right, like under the savage capitalism of the 19th century that was the focus of the fight of socialism , unions were forbidden. Fascism begin with a liberal economy with a limited state, hand in hand with great industrial, nazi had worked hand in hand with great industry , German and American too. Their economic politic is typically right wing politic on the economic side too. The exploitation of peoples in the camps , like slaves is a far right politics while left wing are against all form of slavery . Far right 7 - left wing - 7 argument by the state , fascism is left wing because of the state?: the state is an institution created by authoritarian, hierarchised society, defended by far right peoples (reactionaries) On the other side the more left wing ideologies ( socialist/communist anarchism, Marx, and several socialist thinker ) are for the abolition of the state. This is not the state that define left or right but the form of the state : regalian state with strong police and army, with authoritarian policies and war politics , focus on the order of the society ( including capitalist order ) = right wing state. soft state based on education, social protection, defense of workers, etc... focus on the well being of the members of the society = left wing state. Fascism fits , for sure, in the first category, it is a right wing state, the type of state that Marx, Bakunin , etc.... wanted destroyed. Far right 8 - Left wing -8 Nobody in the 30's with rational mind would put fascist and nazis on the left side, but peoples in the 21th years have lost accurate political culture do this absurd amalgams. This video just plays with false amalgams of concepts. Confusion of one thing with its opposite, it is madness by definition, or manipulation if its voluntary.
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fighting fascist ideas like racial hate is not fascism.
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stalinism is not left wing, no more socialist or communist, he kept the labels just for the propaganda for the mass. If there is a hierarchy it is not left wing. This is very simple, because Left is born for the abolition of hierarchy. The more hierarchy to abolish , the more left wing it is. Then stalinism, is not very left wing. I don't care what says the propaganda of stalin and his successors, it is just lies and manipulation. If you are against stalin, then the first logical thing to do, is to question all the claims from stalin and the stalinism, on the basis of facts.
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@nandorblue the best proof : Stalin has persecuted and executed peoples defending socialism, Marx, anarchism, etc... Stalin has persecuted ALL the historic revolutionaries from 1917. Marx was about dictatorship BY the worker FOR the workers, stalin is about dictatorship by himself OVER the worker. Marx and left wing ideologies are about collective power, not the power of a dictator. This is the base for the division Left versus Right since the French Revolution power for all against power of one or some. Left Wing, and socialism ( including Marx ) were about democratic power. Then stalinism is not left wing. There is no relation between the philosophy of Marx and the stalinism, the philosophy of Marx is based on autonomy, the emancipation of the worker, stalinism is based on the heteronomy of the power, of the society. Marx is about the destruction of the economic exploitation, stalin was the come back of the economic exploitation. If you ask the questions then it means that you don't know stalinism or Marx, or both.
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@nandorblue no revolution under the constraint of two wars ( civil war and international war) end in the hand of an authoritarian system who revamps the old type of power (monarchy or tsar) under a new cover hidden with language of the revolution and the leader replace the old leader executed. In both case napoleon and stalin are traitors to the ideas of the revolution that precede them. But it is not related to ideologies driving the evolution. The French revolution of 1792 is the revolution that gave inheritance to the democracy, with the universal suffrage and the abolition of slavery. This is the ideas from the French revolution who spread in all Europe with the help of the counter revolutionary Napoleon ( the irony of the history) that mde democratic ideas popular in all the Europe in the 19th century. The rule of the riches of the American, British revolutions and French revolution of 1789 could not make dream the peoples . The spring of 1848 was born in Europe because there was the revolution of 1848 in France, in succession of the ideas of the republican revolution of 1792.
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there si not the word socialism in the name of the fascist party. What define being socialist, or left wing/right wing is the political analysis : values, attitudes, positions in the assemblies and alliances, enemies, etc... And from this point it is easy fascist party was far right.
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it is far right on the economic level : no rights , no power, to the workers at work.
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you mean that more than 76 k idiots have no clues about history, unable to find that fascist party was a far right party and had hate against the left at the point that they killed left wing leaders...
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if right wing love freedom why they don't think that live of every individual matters?
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@jme7298 they are economic far right : no rigths and protections to the workers at work , economic exploitation of the workers, strikes and unions of workers forbidden, no power or control of economic power for worker. Then it is right wing. On the other hand fascism made a liberal economic politic at the start, like the right wing. Fascists were friends with big capitalism like right wing. In fact you don't understand what define left and right wing in economy. collective power where workers have autonomy of decision = left wing power. power of one or some (dictator, or capitalists) over worker is right wing power.
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@Thor.Jorgensen yes : make the Rome great again! if we replace "Rome" by "USA" , it reminds me someone .... a strange hair cut, etc....
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lol fascism is not socialism , it is right wing economic politic : subordination of the workers to authoritarians elites.
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Zion thirtydecember2006 State come from societies based on private property. A state with tough police, army and justice is a right wing state. Fascist party had a liberalism economy has first economic orientation. Marx and many socialists were for the abolition of the state. Then your argument does not stand. state = socialism , or socialism = state is wrong. it is very simple Socialism = collective control/ownership of the economic power by the workers. In the case of society ruled by a state the state must be controlled by the workers, and then there must have a democratic power. Nationalization with democratic power can be part of the socialism ( like with social democracies ) , state controlled economy where workers are devoid of any control of the economic power can't be socialist because it does not follow definition of the socialism. Fascisms remove any form of freedom, right or control of power to the workers, because they are far right ideology in favor of the great bourgeoisie who retake economic power over worker with the authoritarian regime.
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you say you believe in the propaganda of a dead dictator... you say that you have no clue about political analysis and political history.
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Fascism is against communism, socialism, worker's unions, democracy, universal suffrage, equality, against freedom of women, against racial equality, against a world of peace. Fascism is for order, hierarchy, identity, rule of one , sexism, war, working hand in hand with capitalists . Beign for sexism , identity, etc.. do not make them anti conservatives, they are anti progressives in fact. Pinochet and mussolini had economic politic based on economic liberalism, abolition of worker's unions, abolition of worker's rights. They have arrested, assassinated left wing peoples. They are definitively far right. Anti communism is not left wing. reactionaries are against communism, liberalism , and they are far right.
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@therealracerxtablet5162 well denying of fact is not an answer. Pointless answer. Nordic countries have the best level of freedom and human development, this is a fact. Then find another thing for defending your lies.
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@therealracerxtablet5162 nothing related to social democracy or real statistic about the country .
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@jhroomy it is not communists, it is stalin. The same stalin who persecuted communists, Marxists, socialists, anarchists, etc... even the historical Russians revolutionaries of 1917. You forget that nazi have persecuted, killed Germans communists, socialists, etc.... they were the first to populate camps. Your point of view is not based on knowledge, but on partial facts taken for an totality of all the facts.
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@jhroomy resistance in Germany was made by socialists, communists, etc.... the propaganda anti nazi came from the communists and socialists since the 20's. Communists were great actors in the resistance in many countries, in France, in Yugoslavia with tito, etc... For the France, the 17 June 1940 a communist called to the resistance against the nazis, one day before the famous call from General De Gaulle... What you say is not accurate, it is not history, just lack of knowledge of the subject.
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This is not fascist, this is socialism, and this is antagonist to fascism.
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@thiefofknights6543 in fact i made the answer to fat chins . The irony in your message is very clear, because all your claims are against fascist ideology.
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nobody can leartn this in school because it is just full of lies, the reality is that fascism was a far right party. Just look the history of the fascist party instead to read/listen stupid propaganda .
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@paddystrongjaw9995 fascit is far right, it is all about order and hierarchy , nationalism , and destruction of the left, assassination of socialists. The fascist party was on the far right side of the italian party, they were self identified as far right!!!!!!!!!!. IN the Spanish War, fascists were with the far right side, with the nazi against all the left wing and stalinians. Fascism in Europe is symbol of far right,. Etc... Fascism is far right , this is the basic political history, other claims are based on ignorance.
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Jose Martinez DeJesus Well no argument. You are the proof that fascists are dogmatics and dislike knowledge. Thank you, bye bye-
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Right wing politics are politics for the elites. Right wing populism is elites, lkke Trump, manipulating brainless peoples. This is a s a scientificité fact that peoples with the more right wing orientation have power IQ than average.
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@andya2665 LOL always the same bad answer. If you want taken seriously ans being acurate speqk about left wing in occident. If you believe in the propaganda of totalitarians regimes it is your problème, not an argument. Labels are not argument s. Your self called marxists regimes do not follower the ideas of Marx nor the definition of a left wing idéologies. Left wing idéologies : Values =liberté equality fraternity Politic AND economic power = sharing off the power or control of the power by all against prkvate power of one or some ( monarchy and dictatorshkp to oligarchy). All your self called marxists regimes do not fit with that.
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@andya2665 Useless answer. Try with arguments.
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@andya2665 Poor stupid guy unable to understad polktic. Welles written lkes are still lids. If you don't get a clue about polktical analysis your words are void. If you don't have informations from political sciences including psychologue what you say is useless and wrong.
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@andya2665 You are so stupid that you can't realize that teenagers don't use my vocabulary but that this vocabulary comes from a higher education and understandkng of politics. Then if you don't have arguments do not answer. Sciences disprove your claim this is a fact .
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@andya2665 Well nothing new your claims are still false and against science. Then your lessons are ridiculous.
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But on ideological point of view fascism is antagonist to left wing ideologies. The left right antagonism is given by the strong ideological antagonism of the French revolution between the Republicans, democrats, egalitarians , and the Monarchist, anti-democrats , for social hierarchies, defenders of the old society , the power of the king, etc... All the big ideological clashes left versus right, involve two antagonisms : - Autonomy (individuals, humans , are the drive of the society ) versus heteronomy ( the drive of the society is external and superior to the individual ). fascism fits at 100% in the right side for this thematic, heteronomy. - Inclusion of all peoples as human being, as individual, ( in humanity, in society, in control of property, in control of power, in healthcare, etc.... ) versus exclusion of some or the great majority of peoples ( from humanity, from power, from property, from healthcare, from education, from freedom, etc.... ) , by focusing on hierarchy fascism fits 100% on the right side too. This is why fascism is a far right ideology , and is incompatible with left wing. left fascism is an oxymoron.
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@allentompkins4063 Well it is sad to see someone stick in the ignorance and repeating wrong definition of left and right. Socialists anarchism on the far left and nazism on the far right are the proof that you are wrong. You can't e plain why in the French revolution the left was defending democracy and abolition of slavery and the right was against democracy and for slavery. If right is for individual she should support the the individual is the drive of enterprise. The that being an individual is the only thing needed for being in involved in the power of the enterprises and not something external to the enterprise,. She should viewing workers as individual. And she should think that individuals are more important than profit. Oh ....this is socialist anarchism and it is left wing, very left wing Given that the right were against equality for women, and refused to see them as individual the right is not indiviualist. Then your claims are wrong.
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@allentompkins4063 ROFLOL You speak to you at the second person! You don't know nothing about politic. We have to look the political spectrum in every European countries in parliament or out of parliament for seeing that you are wrong. small government versus big government is not left versus right it is libertarian versus anti libertarian. It is historic facts that nazism and fascism are far right ideology then you try to ride a dead horse. You just show your ignorance of ideology by confusing antagonist ideologies. You show your ignorance by showing your inability to see who are the left parties and the rigths parties in the parliaments all around the world, now and in the past . You show your ignorance by showing your inability to understand what are the deep drives of ideological antagonisms. For you socialism anarchism and nazism fit in the same ideological family, while they have nothing in common, they are antagonists.
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@allentompkins4063 woaw so many lines for defending ignorance in political knowledge, and so many wrong claims. you are very delusional. I let you with your ignorance. Left right antagonism read by Americans is just so stupid and wrong. Invoking American politician show that you are out of subject, and that you don't speak about left versus right , but a false spectrum based on ignorance . You don't understand the strong antagonism between socialism and fascism, then all what you say is worthless. History and political sciences debunk all what you say. Given that it is a fact that fascist party, like nazi party, is a far right party, and it is easy to find, but you lack of the skills for finding real information. Given that it is an history fact that socialism and fascism were ennemy. I just have to read the history of the Spanish war to know that all what you say is wrong. Spanish war was an ideological war between the Spanish left against the Spanish far right allied with the nazis and fascists. And when we read your lies we should think that fascist should be on the side of the socialists, while they were their enemies. Then history debunks all your long message. You believe in lies and ignorance, the Spanish war is the best proof.
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@allentompkins4063 limit of intellgince, well you speak about yourself. People who claim that an ideology is the same that its antagonist ideology is stupid , lack of intelligence. Nazism is what hate socialism , and socialism is what hate nazism. nazis are for hierarchy, socialists are for equality, it is antagonist point of view. Any peoples with a minimum of intelligence understand that this two ideolgies just with this fact are antagonist and don't belongs to the same ideological family. But noooo you are too stupid for understanding this basic thing. Confusion of antagonist things is sign of craziness and lack of intelligence. You are too stupid for understanding that what define an ideology is its values, its relations of power, its social relations, etc..., then that two ideology with antagonist values are not friends but enemies. You are too stupid for understanding that left wing, socialism, progressive are defined in Western country, and then all what you say about the subject with your narrow American view Stop to answers you are too stupid. So stupid that you speak about yourself only. So stupid that you can't explain why giving that the War of Spain was the ideological war between the radical left and the far right, fascists and nazis were allied with the far right.
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StevyJo256 Fascism and religiosity are very compatible. Clerical fascism is one trend of the fascism.
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StevyJo256 no this is not what says the first message. The first message say something that is found in political psychology : fascists and conservatives, including the very religious ones from all religions , share the same global psychological trends ( the psychological drive of reject of loss ) , it is just a question of variations, of degree. The main differences are about representations.
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fascism is antagonist to socialism. socialism is based on equality, fascism based on hierarchy. socialism promote democratic economic power, fascism promote hierarchic and anti democratic power everywhere. Socialists are friends with socialists, fascists kills socialists. Socialism is internationalist, fascism is nationalist. Socialists were on the left side of the assemblies, fascists were on the far right side of the assemblies. Socialist were against alliance with the conservatives, fascists made alliance with the right wing conservative. etc.... Go learn history and politic before claiming your ignorance as a knowledge.
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@Humanity Galatica fascism = abolition of right of worker = right wing socialism = rights and power for the workers. And this is the fundamental point of socialism, the point that gave birth to socialism. All left wing policies are about giving rights, protections to the workers at work, fascism, nazism are about the destruction of this rights and freedoms. They are antagonist ideologies. Nationalization, means nothing out of the context on ideological point of view. What matters is : who control the power of the state, the purpose of the economy, the statute of the workers, etc.... And on this point fascism is clearly on the right side.
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fascism = strong power of the police and the army and remove of rights and freedoms for workers. This is among republican politics that we find this defining fascist politics, not among the Left.
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you don't know socialism, you don't know political analysis.
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@enesravachol best proof is your answer. Your first message was stupid, your answer is stupid too.
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Sorry from the history fascist party is a far right party. And from ideological analysis fascism is a far right ideology. IF you are confusing fascism with left wing : you don't know what is fascism or you don't know what is the left. Because the purpose of fascism was to destroy left wing, socialism, and their politic put in place before they get the power.
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@timstroud2112 Sorry fascism was far right and is still far right, and antagonist to socialism. Nothing you can say can change facts. Fascist goal is a hierarchic society, goal of socialism is a society of equal freedom and power, the purpose of one destroy the purpose of the other. This is why fascism made all for destroying socialists parties and movements. Go learn History fascism is based on economic inequality : workers have no rights and are under the power of the capitalists.
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yes, on the other hand Marx has an individual philosophy : with purpose the emancipation of the individual. Real left wing , including Marx , is about universalist individualism. Communitarianism is about authoritarian universalism. But fascism swap universalism for hierarchy, and then is authoritarian particularist, or in few simple words : right wing
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you mean fascism is rigth wing, like shows the history and political analysis.
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translation : i have been saying for years that north Korea is : DEMOCRATIC Popular Republic of North Korea Then you must believe that north korea is a democracy. Same thing for nazism and socialism. This is the level zero of the mind : magic thinking But in reality it is a bad joke, because the word "socialist" was just an element of propaganda, nazi party was always a far right party , against modernity, against the left , any people with a brain can find the informations. Nazism is antagonist to socialist ideologies. Nazism is about slavery of worker for the benefit of the big capitalism. Socialism is emancipation of the workers from the economic exploitation of the capitalism. Nazis have killed socialists!!!! Nazis was for hierarchy and against equality , like all far right ideologies.
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@Humanity Galatica north korea is really a monarchy with the power of one based on heredity, only the chief and a group of elite ( including militaries leaders ) take decisions. It is the antagonist definition of a democracy.
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@Humanity Galatica election can be just a game for a dictatorhip. If election can change the rulers, it is not democracy. If there is no collective power acted or controlled by all the peoples , this is not democracy. Dictatorship = power of one, this is the antagonist of the democracy.
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suppression of free speech = classic for the far right ideologies since the defenders of the censure and religious persecutions by the church . Left wing politics bring more freedom of speech in western countries.
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fascism is just far right ideology that was against the left, killed left wing peoples. Instead of making blind claim just look where fascists, nazis, etc.. were sat on their assemblies...
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you don't like facts. political analysis put fascim on the far right ideological spectrum, even i two dimension. fascist party was a far right party de facto : by their position in the assembly and their ideological claims. Psychology of fascism is antagonist to the psychology of left wing, progressives, peoples. Left wing peoples use their empathy, fascism is devoid of empathy.
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fascism is pure far right with communautarian interests for the members of the promoted group ( race or nation ) , this is why there are the social programs , at the exclusion of others. And this exclusion still make fascism right wing on social side.
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@Humanity Galatica Yes. Else if i have a bad definition of libertarians, they don't fit with all the ideological items of fascism and far right exposed above.
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fascism fits perfectly in the far right side, with a strong violent regalian state ( tough police, army and justice ), values of order and hierarchy, the focus on identity, etc...
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no, left wing ideology based on progressivism, democratic socialism, anarchy , based on freedom and equality, , are antagonist to fascism based on Oder and Hierarchy.
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Nix ROFLOL Social democracy offers the higher level of individual freedom..... Fascism was a tool for stopping the loss of power fro the capitalists after the Russian revolution, and removing the little rights and freedom won by workers at the beginning of the 20th century. This is why mussolini made alliances with the classic right wing, and get support from the great capitalism, well killing socialists and union leaders by the fascists was a good work for the last ones. Then soft fascism is the system that hide authoritarianism in favor of the economic leaders of the capitalism under a soft image. Like the politics who define as only reference the market, the economy before any pother point of view, including health,, well being, etc... of peoples . The politics of the last 40 years in the Occident.
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@kotovalexarian well you are unable to have arguments. Then go play with your helicopter instead of speaking of politic .
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lol you mean that the very left wing movement of socialist anarchism can be called fascist? this is a joke. Fascism is an ideology antagonist to socialism. Socialism is about defending workers against power of the capitalists, fascist destroyed the rights of the workers and gave the power to the capitalists inside the enterprise. By definition fascism is anti socialist, this is why fascists have murdered several socialists.
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@Humanity Galatica Fascism gave power to the capitalist over the workers inside the enterprise. Then it is opposed to socialism but not to capitalism. This is why capitalists have supported fascists. Fascism was a tool against socialism by capitalists who fear to loose power because of socialism . Fascism was enough capitalist to make a economic liberal policy at the beginning...
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@Humanity Galatica Fascism was only against socialism in reality. The phase of economic liberalism and the support from capitalists are the best proof. fascism as always been installed by some coup d'état .... not by peoples. fascism took power the power in italy by a demonstration of force . nazism was establish by destroying democracy. franco got the power by a war. etc.... Don't justify the hate of the fascism it is so stupid, and your claim is just stupidity incarnate. Socialism is about unification of the peoples by abolition of the hierarchies, fascism is division of the peoples by nationalities and hierarchy. Well you loose all credibility with this message.
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fascism is a far right ideology that was driven by destruction of socialism.... It is history. Only ignorant of the late decades can believe that fascism can be left wing. fascism like other wright wing ideologies are about political, social, economic hierarchies, for reduction of rights of workers in the enterprise bring by left wings , they are against equality. Under right wing capitalism the drive of the enterprise is something external and viewed as superior to the individual workers : private profit. With right wing religious conservative the drive of the society is something external and superior to the individual : the religion, god, tradition. for the right wing racists like the KKK, the drive of the society must be something external and superior to the individual : the race. All fascism is about a society driven by something external and superior to the individual. This is the definition of authoritarianism. On the other hand real left wing ideologies, like the European left wing, including socialist parties, are about a society driven by the human, the individual, even if he is poor, he does not have private property, it care about the education of the individual, about the health of the individual, about his well being. Then fascism does not belong to the left wing ideologies, but is just plain far right ideology.
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@Humanity Galatica did not said that italian fascism was about racism, but racism was added at the end of the 30's. fascists area against worker's rights, this is the feature of all fascism. This is one major complaint from labor unions. Healthcare was not allowed to disabled peoples ( they were killed ), to jews, etc... , by nazis. Education of fascism is based on the exclusion of the Other from the Community, no fascist education without exclusion of a category of peoples, fascist education forms soldiers. Left wing education is for everyone and promote peaceful values and knowledge for all. Education is a tool, what define the ideology is what you make with the toll. Same thing like with the state. The mentally confusing socialism and fascism is the same that would call murderers any surgeons because they have a scalpel like jack the reaper. It takes the tools for the purpose. What define an ideology is the purpose. Socialism and fascism have antagonist purposes. One gives autonomy to the workers , the other deprive the workers of any autonomy. One seek to create a society with limited conflicts, end of hierarchies, etc... , fascism enhance conflict and hierarchy. Etc.... private owners of capital keep property and privileges, the enterprise prevails over workers then it is capitalism. autonomous syndicalism is forbidden. This is why in the 30's Churchill had praised Mussolini, while for all the left, and the socialists in particular, fascism is the enemy in addition to the end of democracy. It is not national syndicalism, it is corporatism, like in the feudal society : members of an economic sector are tied to the interest of the corporation with authoritarian structure. Corporatism is condemned by socialism. Fascism is against socialism ( see above ), this is why they kill socialists, this is why they hate socialism, and this is why socialist hate fascism. Frankly your denying of the knowledge of the left right antagonism is horrible, it is just the expression of ignorance of ideologies.
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@Humanity Galatica There is a racist background in the nationalism of the fascism, because race is the stronger bind , and source of exclusion of non member of the nation, for nationalist point of view. But the general organization was less focused on racism than with nazism. Among fascists movements racism is a common trend. Fascists are against workers rights. Workers rights is a left wing thing, and they hate left wing. They have removed any possibility of autonomy to workers, they could not make unions or strike. Fascism economy protect economic inequality and privileges of the owners of the capital. For protecting capitalist profit fascists lower the wage. Fascists were allied with economic elites, and their members were more owners than workers. Fascism ( in Italy and elsewhere , like in Germany ) was seen as a shield against a socialist or communist evolution by the economic elites. There was some privatizations under fascism. Fascist propaganda about education, is stupid and worthless. Try better if you don't want look stupid. Saying blatant false claim about fascism and autonomy of worker make you a joker. If i want know thing about fascism i read documents , and this documents say always the opposite of what you say. Your false claims can't explain the hate of socialism and communism by Marxism, if fascism is what you claim. You don't understand fascism and socialism, this is the sad reality. Nothing of what you said is accurate.
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@Humanity Galatica "Churchill praised Mussolini because he defeated the left that has caused death and destruction in every country it has been implemented." another stupid lie. Left bring democracy ( universal suffrage comes from the left not from the right ), abolition of slavery, abolition of death penalty, rights for workers, rights for women, etc.... Far right bring destruction, oppression, hate, war, etc... You are a real ignorant of politic repeating stupid propaganda from far right.
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@bozooncrack1029 Label is not an argument. Only political analysis is argument. on this point fascism and nazism were far right . And you are not stupid you can fond the fact that nazis and fascists were ln the far right side of their assemblies and Had hate against left, socialism.
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@bozooncrack1029 Socialistic part of the name is just for propaganda for attracting workers. Socialism is about better life for the workers and end of economic exploitation. Nazism is about making arryans strogers for war and economic exploitation. Nazism is about hate of socialism and socialists. This why nazis were murdering socialists. You take propangada from nazism for real. You can't say that socialism is about the state because the most socialists movements are for the abolition of the state like the socialist anarchists. Your definition of socialism must include them because they are historic socialists. The rest is just ignorance and propaganda.
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@vanad1um665 Yes, and a con claiming to be honest is honest.
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