Comments by "jean-louis pech" (@jean-louispech4921) on "Hitler's Socialism | Destroying the Denialist Counter Arguments" video.
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some simple answers to this video :
0) socialists movements include anarchist movement were there is no state, then economy controlled by state is not what defines socialism. And you can't put in the same ideological family socialist version of anarchism and nazism, they are 100% antagonists. It is like saying that Congo and greenland have the same climate.
Totalitarian propaganda claiming one thing is not a proof of anything. The claim of socialism by totalitarian regimes was just a propaganda tool for attract workers, not a political reality.
1) war of Spain in 1936 :
on one side the far right lead by Franco
on the other side left Spanish left wing and the communist party under Stalinist direction, and then all the shades of socialism on this side.
Hitler and nazis were on the side of the far right agaisnt socialists. Because nazis were enemies of socialists.
Stalin made kill socialists, anarchists, republicans, too. At the end the Communist Party under Stalinist direction was the enemy of the left wing.
2) target of assassination by nazis : the first and main target by nazis were ... socialist and union leader, another proof that nazis were not socialists but enemy of socialists
3) purpose and main definition of socialism against Nazism :
Socialism was born for one purpose : emancipate workers from economic exploitation from capitalism or slavery, then from economic exploitation from private owner of private property.
Then socialism was about giving collective power on political and economic level.
Collective power on politic level, involve democratic elected assemblies or direct democracy, and no personal power from a strong chief (right wing concept).
Nazism was all about personal power of a strong chief (dictator ) and destruction of democratic assemblies, then on political level Nazism is antagonist to socialism , and Stalinism and Maoism too.
On economic level well Nazism removed all rights and possibility of having a weight on decisions in the enterprise, Nazism has given all power to the capitalists over workers. And worst for your false theory Nazism has allowed industrial cartel to practice slavery within the camps.
Just this fact exclude to 100% from socialism, the rest is just void words.
Socialism ins born in western Europe, and socialists parties there , and their children , like social democracy were actor in bringing more democracy,; more freedom and more equality, more well being for workers, etc... Socialist party or social democrats were enemies of Nazism.
Nazism was a far right party for Nazis and the rest of Europe (see War of Spain above).
It is meaningless to associate Nazism with its antagonists ideologies. Only ignorant can believe in a such a wrong belief.
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@danielbowman7226
nazism was far right for nazis, all German politic, and in all Europe at this era.
It was the symbol of the far right in the 30's.
If you can summarize the Nazi program it could be tell in few words : "destroying all the heritage from the Left, and from the French Revolution ( Republic, democracy, power of elected assembly ,, etc... ) "
And this is clearly a far right program.
For political analysis , this is simple Nazism check all the feature of a far right ideology.
The values of the Nazism are the value of the right wing : Order and Hierarchy and you add identity, and you win the big prize for a far right ideology like Nazism.
Values are what really define where fit an ideology. The state is just a tool in the hand of the purpose of the ideology, you have democratic states like you have dictatorial states, you have state controlling economy while you have states that let the economy in the hand of the private owners.
Then speaking about state, does not define if it is right or left.
USSR under stalin is just a variation of bonapartism in France, a guy who after the revolution, takes the power for himself and replace the elites of the feodality by its won elites.
When you know real socialism, the socialism defined by western Europeans thinkers in France, Great Britain, Germany, etc.... you know that socialism is born for one thing, and then it defines socialism : make workers free of economic oppression by giving a politic and economic collective power ( on the politic level it is called democracy ) where workers are involved, instead of a power including the state in the hand of an elite being nobles, capitalists, member of a party, religious, etc....
USSR of stalin or nazism do not fit with the real socialism, worst they allow exploitation of worker by economic elites ( big capitalists in Germany, members of the party in USSR ) , and they go agaisnt socialism.
If you are not ignorant in history, you should know that the war of Spain was a war between the Spanish left wing (republicans in the french meaning, anarchists , socialists, etc... ) agaisnt the Spanish far right led by Franco and with ally other far right powers : the fascist Italy and the nazi Germany.
Destroying all try to put nazism in theme bag with socialists.
You are wrong about the political spectrum.
This is a 2D spectrum with two axes of antagonism : Autonomy/freedom agaisnt Authoritarianism, and Equality against hierarchy/Inequalities.
Strong ideological lines combine two objects
: the real left wing from the ideas from the French Revolution ( democratic republic with power to the assembly, universal suffrage , abolition of slavery, independence from religion, etc... ),, and from socialist movement in the 19th century until Marx/Engels (rights and power for the workers, solidarity, social politics, internationalism, etc... ) , combine Autonomy and Equality, this is why French Revolutionaries and socialists have claimed Liberty, Equality, Fraternity values of the Revolution and socialism.
The Liberalism mix Autonomy/Freedom with inequality, this is the typical anglo saxon culture too.
The right and far right, conservatives, reactionaries, nationalists, without any influence from liberalism or the Left, combines Authoritarianism and Hierarchy.
And you have a fourth orientation combining Authority and Equality. This is the basic culture in ... Russia and China. Some specialist call this orientation Communitarianism.
Then transferring Russia and China to the Left in Western countries is a fallacies, this is not the same culture, not the same mentality, not the same logic of idea, then it is not the same ideology.
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@danielbowman7226
else saying jokes , you say nothing.
If you don't like name calling respect other peoples by not saying clear counter truths.
You speak about a regime who have practiced slavery, then all what you say about capitalism, workers, etc.. is just a stinky bullshit.
The collaboration between the nazi regime and the big cartels of German industry is a well known fact. Like already said, slavery for the benefice of the big industrial capitalism, is not socialism;, it is the antagonist of socialism.
You are not able to understand the historical and political fact i gave you.
Poor ignorant who have as only reference to socialism or communist the propaganda of totalitarians regimes and dictators. And then then can't have any argument about socialism.
The called communist regimes were not communist, Stalin is to the Russian Revolution what Napoleon was to the French Revolution, he has betrayed the purposes of the Revolution, recreated relations of power like before the revolution, etc.... And stalin recreated exploitation of worker, then it is not socialist or communist.
Mao, the only thing communist with him was the name of his party, when he get in the party there was workers inside, there was communist element, but when he get the power : there was no more workers in his party which became more a party of chinise bourgeois, and workers were not involved in the revolution. Oh and china became a paradise of economic exploitation of the worker then it is not socialist.
They are as socialist than a nation with only economic collective power is capitalist.
Yuu believe in false labels from propaganda.
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