Comments by "TJ Marx" (@tjmarx) on "Government to take asylum ruling to Supreme Court" video.

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  4. I really do wonder what the people in this thread imagine processing a claim actually means. I mean, you are all aware this isn't like getting a passport right? We're talking about people who turn up without documentation and ask to stay under the rules of the UDHR and the refugees convention. So the first step is to verify beyond reasonable doubt who the person is. Without documentation that take time, far longer than the prescribed 28 days. This process involves finding out where they're actually from, where their house was, finding people still there who knew them, etc. When we're talking about a small disorganised village in an undeveloped country that's hard. Next they have to determine whether their source country is at war under the legal definition. That too takes time because it's often a complicated process. If they're at war, they have to determine the scale of the war and whether it meets the requirements for asylum under statute. If the country isn't at war they have to determine if the person is being persecuted by their country for a protected trait. That can take a seriously long time because it involves talking to the source country, and other countries to try to figure out what's going on. It can involve using intelligence services, where an intelligence officer has to physically go there undercover to determine if the cases from that place with that trait really are being persecuted. Then they need to determine if the person is escaping prosecution, not persecution. That is, are they a criminal? Criminals are not allowed asylum under the terms of the refugee convention. They also have to determine if the claimant has committed a war crime or a human rights abuse, or has a family member that has. Figuring that out in the best of circumstances is hard, but claimants come under the worst case scenarios. So again this involves diplomatic channels, intelligence services, law enforcement agencies, the UN, it's a complicated process. That's why these claims take time. At it's most basic they need to be reasonably sure that the person is who they say they are, is actually eligible for asylum and isn't a criminal. Those are not fast things to do, it's not just random bureaucracy. Then you throw lawyers and the courts in on top. You can't just click your fingers and make that process faster. How interesting it is that no one has bothered too look closer at those leave to stay figures. Only 13% from the boats are found to be genuine refugees and granted such a status. The remainder of those granted leave to stay receive it under compassionate grounds in line with the ECHR. There is a provision here which compels leave to stay on claimants even when they are not found to be genuine if by the time their claim has been denied they can show they have developed roots in the community, a home, friends, a job, participation in volunteer work (which is usually helping at an asylum seeker non-profit), then it's considered unreasonable to deport them under the ECHR. That is a loophole that tens of thousands of unskilled economic migrants are exploiting every year. Because they are unskilled or low skilled and on precarious grounds with their ability to stay, they then become exploited in the workplace with below minimum wages. This puts downward pressure on wages overall. That's why governments all over the world, not just the UK and regardless of political affiliation, want to limit the number of migration of no and low skilled migrants. It's why they focus on skilled migration, particularly in skill shortage sectors. The latter drives up productivity, stabilising the economy (and inflation) and fuelling wage growth. That was the point of the rwanda policy. To stop illegal economic migration, by shifting them to a country in a worse economic state than they came from. That stops illegal economic migration and ensures only legitimate asylum claimants come through (which is a trickle, less than 10K a year).
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