Comments by "TJ Marx" (@tjmarx) on "House of Commons chaos and confusion over Gaza ceasefire vote" video.

That's not what it was about at all, although I can see how from CH4s coverage you might have come to that conclusion. The outrage was over splitting the vote which is actually incredibly harmful to democracy. There was originally 1 bill to be voted on. Yes or No. Then the speaker said, well actually what we'll do is we'll change that into 2 versions of the same bill with slightly different wording in parts that impacts the material outcome. Then the government said that isn't fair we should have our version too then and the speaker said ok we'll have 3 versions of the same bill with slightly different wording that impacts the material outcome. So now instead of voting yes/no on a bill, they have a selection of wordings to vote for instead meaning it's less likely anything passes which is why the government and SNP withdrew. Imagine if the budget was up for debate and instead of saying ok vote yes/no to the budget he said actually let's have 3 different versions of the budget where each party gets it to be the way they want it and we'll vote on that. That would undermine the role of government and the cornerstone principles of democracy. He's done exactly that here on this ceasefire bill and done so as a political favour to one party over all others. That is serious corruption in the house that every Brit should be outraged about.
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@harleyb7880 What do you imagine commons refers to? It's the house of the commoner, as opposed to royals and lords.
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Not at all what happened...
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 @Alex-cw3rz That isn't at all what happened.
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More votes on THE SAME BILL with slightly different language is in fact not positive at all. It splits the vote and grinds democracy to a halt. This is actually a very big deal.
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@kurtgodel5236 From Encyclopaedia Britannica "The origins of the House of Commons date from the second half of the 13th century, when landholders and other property owners in the counties and towns began sending representatives to Parliament to present grievances and petitions to the king and to accept commitments to the payment of taxes. In the 14th century the knights and burgesses chosen as representatives (i.e., the commons) began sitting in a separate chamber, or “house,” from that used by the nobles and high clergy (i.e., the lords)." Ie. The commoners as opposed to the Crown and lords. If there's nothing else I trust you can see yourself out.
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@Grufflehog That is actually untrue. A binding motion in the house for ceasefire would have material impact. It would repeal Israel funding bills, and compel the treasury to cease payments to Israel. It would compel the DOD to stop weapons deliveries to Israel as well. Further it would compel Cameron to order yankville to do the same. That would give Israel all of 36 hours of munitions. A ceasefire would follow quickly, particularly as there is a ceasefire proposal on the table from Hamas right this second as we speak. Bibi just has to say yes.
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@MrDamodee No. Referendums are not trivial things, nor is whether or not the union remains intact. Constant referendums on the fate of ths union because one side doesn't get what it wants is both undemocratic and undermines the functions of democracy. The referendum failed, there will be another opportunity in a few generations if they want that.
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Sunak? Starmer has literally said his position is whatever yankville say and is literally continuing to say that while he does exactly that. Starmer has no ideas, he waits for others to tell him what to do. He isn't a leader, he's a marionette. He needs to go.
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Roflmao. How much did they pay you to say that?
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Same thing really.
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@tao6085 Yeah nothing you just said is based in fact. You have also made a false equivalency here between Israel and Hamas. It is a matter of undisputed fact that without the continual conveyer belt of new armament from the UK and yankville, Israel would run out of munitions in 36 hours. Israel themselves acknowledge that. They have no vast stockpile. They are given more every few hours by the UK and yankville. That is why they are both complicit in genocide. Look it up, not only do they all admit it's only 36 hours worth of munitions, there's video here on YouTube of them being resupplied with dates and times. It's roughly every 6 hours and taxpayers are fitting the bill for that. Hamas likewise have no vast stockpiles of anything. The "rockets" they fire into Israel are home-made improvised weapons. You are equating what is essentially a firework made a couple hours earlier that won't go more than a few hundred metres with the thousands of heavy ordinances one of which is capable of levelling a city block that Israel are using. Hamas isn't a military, they're a citizen militia. What's happening in Gaza is like trying to deal with violence from prison inmates by levelling London.🤷‍♂️
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An update. News night are reporting that they have eye witnesses claiming Starmer told Hoyle if he didn't split the vote then Labour would not support Hoyles re-election as speaker after the election. If true, that means Starmer blackmailed Hoyle to save his own neck. If the vote had gone forward as it was scheduled there were more than 100 labour MPs looking to rebel, several key members of the shadow cabinet ready to resign which would have triggered a labour internal no confidence motion on Starmer. This is a serious allegation that should have every labour member demanding answers and Starmers resignation.
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@huwwilliams3230 I don't believe you for a moment. Everyone sees a biased activist led reporting team who get the bulk of their claims objectively wrong.
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@kurtgodel5236 So you have a book which makes unfounded claims contrary to the rest of recorded history and honestly with disregard for the intellect of the reader. And that's what you're presenting? I guess he had a reason to treat his readers as fools. No, commons was not substituted for commutes 🤣 It's just the commoners, as in those who are not royal or nobel. It's very simple. Even the official website of parliament agrees. lol. Maybe stop reading books by alt history morons and speculating what they say as fact.
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@user-hx8lw8pu1f False. I am saying your assessment is not correct. I do not need special knowledge to know you have gotten it wrong. What happened was the chair split the vote, which undermines democracy and is contrary to normal procedure. He did so in favour of one party over all others. That is corruption and every Brit should be outraged.
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@user-hx8lw8pu1f Not sure why youtube deleted my reply. Came back to update it now there is new information. To repeat what youtube deleted, I don't need special information to call your assessment false. That objectively isn't what happened and isn't what is being reported even here. The speaker split the vote. The new revelation being reported on news night is that Starmer told Hoyle he wouldn't be voted back in by labour after the election if he didn't do what Starmer wanted. Starmer would have lost his leadership if the vote hadn't been split. This is clear corruption and Starmer needs to go.
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A vote for immediate ceasefire would compel the UK to cease funding and arming Israel until it agreed to ceasefire. It would also compel cameron to command Washington to do the same. Without that funding and arming Israel could only continue for 36 hours. It would have no choice but to seek a ceasefire.
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@rjjcms1 Try reading the long standing treaties yankville has with the UK. The UK has partial control over yankville, and major control over its military and foreign affairs decisions. Yankville is a UK proxy state and has been so since 1943.
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As soon as possible on a referendum for Scotland is 2 generations away, so 43 years.
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