Comments by "TJ Marx" (@tjmarx) on "Scotland ‘will find another way to independence’, says Sturgeon after Supreme Court defeat" video.

Come off it, the Scottish people were asked 8 years ago if they wanted independence and they said no. Sturgeon then immediately set about trying to get another referendum because she can't accept reality. So let's say she got her wish, the UK spent another fortune it doesn't have on another referendum and it comes back the same no answer...guess what Sturgeon will do. Yep, start organising another referendum until she gets the result SHE wants, not the people of Scotland. Do you think this is actually about Scotland for Sturgeon? Because it's not. This is about Sturgeon wanting to be able to say she's a world leader. An ego trip. Nothing more. Perhaps she should move to a different country.
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It seems to me that if democracy really mattered to Angus and Nicola, they would have respected the will of the Scottish people in 2014 when they voted to stay in the UK. Instead they immediately, literally immediately, started demanding another referendum. They didn't even give it 24 hours after losing, they heard the result and immediately said they needed another referendum. If democracy really mattered to Angus and Nicola, they'd be listening to the overwhelming majority of Scots who want them to stop harping on about independence and focus their attention on delivering on services and the economy for the Scottish people. Instead they've got one issue and when they don't get their way they want to throw the rattle out of the stroller and have a tantrum. If they can't deliver for Scotland with the support of the union, what kind of a wasteland would Scotland become if Nicola got the job title she's in this for? Might I suggest that the way to Scottish independence is through an SNP government whom actually do a good job and make Scotland the best part of the UK through self funded services delivery, a strong diversified exports market outside of the UK, plenty of foreign investment, low poverty, high education and plenty of job opportunities... Then and only then would I ask the Scottish people if they can think of a reason to remain part of a union that only holds them back from being more than the Scottish government had already delivered. That's how I'd go about it anyway. I strongly suspect that the only reason the SNP haven't done exactly that is because they don't know how. That if they did know how they'd have been focusing on that instead of empty nationalism. They've delivered none of that and Scotland under SNP has the highest poverty rate in the UK. I hope the Scottish people send a strong message to the SMP at the next election that they aren't interested in independence right now, they want a strong Scotland first.
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@davidbrisbane7206 Sturgeon went to great lengths at the last election to stress that a vote for SNP wasn't a vote for independence. That the SNP were going to focus on the pandemic, on the economy and on living standards. There's months of quotes from sturgeon leading up to the election saying just that. The night before the election she was stressing it, that she wasn't going to muck around with independence stuff this term. Funny how we're here again. Many Scots want to vote for a Scottish party instead of an English one. That doesn't mean they want independence. Independence isn't the sole platform of the SNP nor has it ever been. What will be interesting is how many people vote SNP at the next election in the wake of Sturgeon bald faced lying to the electorate. Every poll that's done on this issue regardless of who does the poll suggests Scots just want the SNP to get on with running things and let go of independence at least for the time being.
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@gazzaman28 47.7% isn't a mandate. Nicole went to pains at the last election to make clear voting for SNP wouldn't be an independence referendum, nor a vote for an independence referendum. You can't try to rewrite history is captured forever in newspapers of the day. Further, immediately following the election, Our Scottish Future found that only 54% of people who voted SNP on the election support independence. That's not a mandate for independence or for a referendum. "We need a referendum to say no again" You've already had one just 8 years ago. If the referendum was a generation or two ago it might make sense to be demanding another one and I dare say Westminster would support it. But I'm sorry to break this to you but the UK in it's entirety is INSOLVENT. They UK doesn't have the millions of pounds it takes to hold a frivolous referendum that most Scots don't want anyway and where there's already been one. I mean mate, Sturgeon started making preparations for another referendum the moment she heard the last one came back no. It will never stop with her until she gets the answer she wants. It's 100% an ego trip for her, she wants to be a prime minister and she can't do that currently. That's what it's about for her. SNP need to focus on making Scotland great, not independence
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@davidbrisbane7206 What a complete load of nonsense. First and foremost, Sturgeon 's quote in the newspapers from the day following the referendum is she wants another one. You can't rewrite history, she's never accepted the no. Secondly by your logic every time the UK as a whole does something Scotland doesn't like, because the union isn't Scotland alone, there should be a referendum? What a weak, unrealistic excuse on why a referendum needs to be held. There's always going to be another brexit style event, so by your logic there should just be a continual cycle of referendums until the Scottish people get tired of having to say they want to remain in the union all the time and say they want to leave just to stop having to vote. That's the plan isn't it David. There's no appetite in Scotland for independence. Knock it off
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@scottferguson48 They did, just 8 years ago.
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@scottferguson48 Yeah that's not how a union works. A minority subsection of a member of a union can't hold the rest of their countrymen, let alone the rest of the union hostage indefinitely until they get the result they want. Referendums aren't free. The union is already broke, it physically can't afford another referendum. What they do, do however is they distract from the real nuts and bolts work that needs to be done to lift Scottish living standards. Again the exit polls from last years election by Scottish pollster "Our Scottish Future" show that only 54% of SNP voters support independence. So before you say otherwise, yes it is a minority who want independence. The last referendum wasn't even a decade ago. A union is like a marriage, if your partner says they might want to leave you say ok and give them the space to think about it. But if they come back and decide they want to stay they can't just keep frivolously putting the marriage on the table. That's unhealthy and creates division. It's very nice that you support independence, but you're just going to have to wait a generation or two before that question gets asked again.
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@scottferguson48 lol what on earth are you talking about.
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@scottferguson48 The thing about that is, you're only a single tiny part of a much bigger whole. Like a single thought rushing through someone's mind amidst a fountain of others. The majority disagreed with you, now it's time to accept that. Perhaps if you dislike being in the union so much you might consider moving to a different country
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@davidbrisbane7206 So in your view the SNP keep being voted in for independence, despite all the objective evidence to the contrary on why they are actually voted in. But also they only have to win once. Which is it David? Again, a referendum is not free, they cost millions of dollars and the UK can not currently pay it's existing bills let alone unnecessary ones. No, having as many referendums as the minority want is not how things work. Yes, I'm quite sure that the Tories wouldn't have held another brexit referendum had leave failed. Because doing so would be irresponsible governance, and labour but more importantly the house of lords whom hold the real power in Westminster; wouldn't have entertained it. These kinds of things aren't cheap. You get one shot, if you fail you have to wait and accept it may never happen. That's why timing and campaign are essential because there's just one shot. In 2014 the union made clear that the referendum wouldn't be repeated for a generation or more, SNP agreed to those terms. You can't rewrite history David. The EU will completely fall apart before Scotland have another chance at independence.
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@davidbrisbane7206 Not only are you living in a day dream you're not even following what the SNP are asking for. Independence comes with an independent currency. Scottish independence is worse for all of the union, but mostly it's worse for Scotland. An independent Scotland has to fund itself entirely. It's own services, it's own military, it's own financial system, it's own everything.
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@davidbrisbane7206 The EU is an economic bloc, one might even say a union, a European Union... The EU centres around Germany through Brussels, a sovereign EU as is being pushed, would rob all of the member states of their independence at the rule of Germany and France. The same deal as the UK, just with more territory and swapping London for Brussels. An independent Scotland joining the EU would be scarifying independence once again. What you're suggesting with Scotland continuing to use the GBP would be the same as the UK using the Euro post brexit. It doesn't work that way, you want out, you're out. You are living in a fairyland David. You can't compare a hypothetical independent Scotland to countries that have always been independent, nor with countries that continue to be supported by other nations. Scotland as part of a union can't pull it's own weight or manage provision of services. Where do you imagine the money for Scotland to survive as an independent nation will come from? To support an independent military. An independent financial system. An independent services, health, social services, police, roads, etc. An independent Scotland. That's not cheap, Westminster pays for most of that right now and it's bankrupt living on borrowed money.
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Crikey @davidbrisbane7206 could you make any bigger a clown of yourself mate? You just widened the definition of independence well beyond anything I've said and what it actually means and apparently didn't realise that if what you're claiming were true then Scotland would be wasting time pursuing independence. Very amusing. You didn't even get the reliances you were claiming correct. What a joke you've made of yourself.
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@davidbrisbane7206 lol. You got owned on your nonsense argument, ran out of arguments, tried to move the goal posts and now you're trying to use words you don't understand. There's no projecting, there's not even anything here that could be considered projecting. If you're going to use a medical term as a buzzword, probably a good idea to actually understand what the word means. Lest you make an even bigger clown of yourself. Goodbye David, you've got nothing.
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@gazzaman28 Mate, the only people arguing and shouting here are the small minority pushing for independence of Scotland. Everyone else, other scots included, are just rolling there eyes. Political parties across the whole of the Commonwealth, not even just the UK, have mixed membership from across the political spectrum. The Tories have left leaning members too, Labour has right leaning members too, both have centrist members. The same is true of every other party across the UK and Commonwealth, including SNP. Independence doesn't hold them together, 46% of members don't even want independence. SNP might have started as an independence movement but they've turned into essentially the Scottish party which is why they have a continued voter base. Independence is a minority desire. Your nonsense about your political affiliation could have been more aptly written as "you're a remoaner upset you lost to brexit so now you're hoping for disruption" No one cares how you feel about brexit, having a tantrum won't change anything.
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@gazzaman28 Considering only 44.7% voted yes to independence in 2014 despite an active campaign I dispute your figures. Mine at from actual polls and official data sources, not just made up like you did. You're commenting on a video where they literally are telling you 61% of Scots want SNP to focus on nation building and the economy and couldn't give a toss about independence. Give it up mate, this is just silliness.
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@nobody-y7i1r I think you should try commenting when you're sober, you're not coherent right now.
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@melvinpenman1102 Democracy is not. A referendum however, is.
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@jwatson9732 Given Scotland has suffered every time SNP are in government, I suggest it's actually more likely incompetence on their part, and a ploy to initiate a referendum is giving them more credit than they're due.
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@RoCK3rAD What an absolutely stupid thing to say. The majority of the union as a whole voted to leave. Imagine if we went by area in Scotland and those areas not voting for SNP cried fowl every time SNP won an election. Get real. Scotland is not sovereign, and it makes up less than 10% of the population of the union.
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@RoCK3rAD England is not sovereign either. You seem to have misunderstood. Britain, that is England, Scotland and Wales, is sovereign. None are individually sovereign. None owns the other. All are the domain of the monarchy. Scotland didn't vote against independence because of the EU, Scotland voted against independence because of what independence would mean.
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