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  1. Paramone Gaming funny cause Thomas Paine who was considered the most radical of American Founding Father’s was the first to propose social welfare, citizen’s dividend (UBI), and early proponent of egalitarian radical democracy. Liberalism can be capitalist and bourgeoisie. But there is also a socialist and labor strain on which Market Socialism derives from. Early liberals like Thomas Hodgskin who wrote “Labor Defended Against the Claims of Capital” were anti-capitalists, in which the propertied elite were turning liberal economics in favor of capital. Hence the primacy of capital instead of labor. Such an egregious turn of events lead to the rise of Mutualists in America like Josiah Warren, Benjamin Tucker, Lysander Spooner etc... and the Individualist Free Market Anarchists. Essentially their analysis was given the ideals of liberalism that the natural conclusion is Market Socialism. In the past the economy was mostly agrarian and artisanal, where economic actors or worker’s owned their tools and produce themselves to market, that was classical liberalism. Post-industrialism lead to the primacy of capital aka capitalism, and the bourgeois elites, the proprietors of machines, new tech, and wealth turned liberal economics the capital route. The backlash towards industrial capitalism was real, the first French Republic post-revolution failed because of bourgeoisie capitalism, the US had a major conflict known as the Civil War, and the issues were racial and economic. Particularly farmers and artisans feared the expansion of capitalism and was very much a hot topic for debate. Lincoln and Republicans had some labor support, despite it being in many ways a bourgeois party since Lincoln expressed wage labor should only be a temporary issue not a perpetual system. And the Southern slavers feared industrialization. Remember “capitalist” was first a pejorative, then anti-capitalists or socialists created the term “capitalism” to designate that system which they were against that relied on wage labor, and capital, wealth accumulation of an upper class. Liberalism essentially is a political and economic doctrine of liberty, limited government, and natural rights. Other facets like individualism, social contract, and democracy as well. This is all not incompatible with Socialism, seeing as socialism was a left wing ideology born from liberal and revolutionary circles. Hence why liberals like Thomas Hodgskin, James Mill, John Stuart Mill Rosseau etc... were in their time self proclaimed socialists or anti-capitalists, or ideologues that were precursors to socialist doctrine and ideology. "Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration." Lincoln's First Annual Message to Congress, December 3, 1861.
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