Comments by "BlackFlagsNRoses" (@blackflagsnroses6013) on "Eminem and the White Rapper Problem" video.

@ddhb223sfyn Eminem always seem to hate his fans and understand how whiteness helped him crossover the mainstream in a way that wasn’t even available for Tupac
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@thequinlanshow3326 you’re not realizing the picture here. Yes to black culture Eminem was suspect and concerned but we’re talking about Eminem easily being able to reach into the white majority consumers. That’s where the record sales come from . To go mainstream is to crossover to white American audiences, where even tapping into a fraction of that is hella money. Eminem because of whiteness was able to touch a pretty good chunk of that audience. Something a Black rapper simply could not have done without decades of working. Had Eminem been black he would have had Canibus’ career
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Well for one thing he himself says he’s simplifying that part of the essay because it’s not the topic. And also colonization continued as European empires carved out their stake in Africa and continued to use African labor in their African colonies. One of the worst atrocities seldom mentioned is Leopold III in the Congo. The slave trade itself wasn’t actual European settler-colonialism, it was trading in human trafficking
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@brianadams8832 none of those rappers got anywhere near the success of Eminem with that Horrorcore music. You think Big L was crossing over to the white mainstream with tracks like Devil’s Son? To put it simple for y’all there’s a reason Eminem reached his level of success in mainstream and Tupac didn’t, because the white mainstream want something safe and that they wouldn’t be looked at awkwardly for listening to. Became a black guy with lyrics of serial killing would be too scary for suburbia and white Americana. Again the fact that even Tupac couldn’t reach that level of mainstream crossover tells us how whiteness is a factor, as Eminem admits in White America
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@RandomNon-interestingguy you’re not even using racist right. Crack a sociology book
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@STARK0181 Id say he be El-P levels of success if he didn’t come with his devil maycare attitude. But that’s the thing for the hip hop community that content wasn’t new. You had the Horrorcore scene, Big L, Fuck the Police NWA, you had zany figures like Ol Dirty Bastard and Busta Rhymes with crazy lyrics etc… Eminem was new to white people like an alien, but to hip hop fans he was just doing what others did only able to be that successful with it because he felt safer to the white mainstream
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@STARK0181 the issue with that is that even though they may be truthful when saying they were inspired by Eminem it doesn’t seem like they really are musically so if anything it’s not much of a factor to the music they do make. Like what can you learn from Eminem you can’t learn from a plethora of other rappers? This isn’t to undermine Em’s own talents and the raw magnetism he has in his peak but lyricism isn’t something Eminem invented. He wasn’t even the first to do the versatile play around with accents and flows. Eminem’s did open doors for Hip Hop though and made the genre bigger than ever but unfortunately many people only care for him and if it doesn’t sound like him then it’s not good for them.
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@evelynstenberg I also thought Em was the best but then you start comparing him to other rappers and realize others have done it better. Like K-Rino
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@Mayhamsdead it can’t simply be that they’ve listen to so many artists and rappers throughout the years that Eminem comes out short compared to other’s pen games?
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@Mayhamsdead all that did is show me you have likely never studied sociology, or particular sociology of music. Hip Hop is rooted in urban cultures after the movement of Blacks in the south to urban centers for work, life after slavery, and leaving segregation. It is the experience of a colonized people. Afrika Bambataa started this with the Zulu Nation, a Black national group that spoke of this and Indigeneity. Renegades. He already said he thinks Em is a great lyricist, what more do you need? Just cause he doesn’t think of Em as a GOAT doesn’t invalidate his entire thesis
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That’s overtly simplistic, what people mean is that Eminem brought in a whole white suburban market into Hip Hop and most only were Eminem fans, not Rap fans. Even Eminem has tried to put on his fans on the old school and is known for finding many of his fans frustrating. To them Em is the greatest yet never heard of Nas, K-Rino, Andre 3000 etc…. They also took that lyrical miracle crap too seriously and then try to gatekeep what real Hip Hop is depending on Em’s tastes. There is no reason to believe being white didn’t effect Eminem’s career in any serious way considering he himself has seen it and ponders on it in his music like White America
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He’s not claiming to be an historian and deliberately lets us know that the history part of the video will be overly simplified as it’s not the actual video topic
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@ReggaeFan00 certain experiments create a culture. And you clearly don’t understand the politic here because when sociologists say whiteness isn’t a culture it means it is a manufactured political category for political purposes; whiteness isn’t a culture. Cultures are based off ethnography and nationalities. German, French, Welsh, English, Scottish, Spanish, Catalonian, Portuguese, Italian etc… these are cultures. Whiteness is a political classification to distinguish from blackness and founded on anti-black ideas. So this is what Signifier means when saying White people don’t have a culture. Black is also a political category and a lived colonized experience of a people of African descent that have been removed from any knowledge of their roots in Africa. Black Americans descendant of slaves can’t tell you their ethnographic roots and heritage other than African hence it becomes its own culture in America as Black American.
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