Comments by "BlackFlagsNRoses" (@blackflagsnroses6013) on "Macron's Centrism: MSNBC Was Wrong, The Left Was Right" video.

Neoliberals your time is up! Though it’s annoying that some of the right is taking all credit for the Yellow Vests and claiming it’s a protest against immigration or some bull. Clearly those leading this group are leftists protesting taxes that hurt the middle and working class. Gotta look at context and well reality.
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curtflirt2 Third Way, corporatists, Democrats, neoliberals, capitalists are all elitists center right idiots opposed to the working people’s interests. Every “liberal democracy” has this status quo of corporations and politicians maintaining a quid pro quo of wealth and power.
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Jacob Elledge um I do work and I’m an anarchist so I believe in more freedom than you right wingers. What you don’t understand is there isn’t much difference between you conservatives and modern liberals except the priorities. In America conservatives take your taxes to fund unnecessary wars, tax cuts for the wealthiest, give corporate welfare and could care less about the workers. Democrats are no different but they at least don’t want to cut the few help people can help. I mean Amazon workers were working full time and could still qualify for and needed government subsidies, until Bernie Sanders made Amazon pay workers a $ 15 min wage. So who’s for the workers? Oh yeah the progressive liberals that are more interested in the Nordic model and some form of Social Democracy. Obama was a center-right neoliberal, he even called himself a moderate Republican cause that’s what corporate neoliberal Democrats are. They have the same ideas moderate Republicans had not so long ago. They’re centrists and center right politicians. Social safety nets are needed cause it puts a band aid on the Capitalist system before it can collapse in on itself. Keeps blaming the poor and immigrants instead of the wealthy elites that have a status quo with politicians to maintain wealth and power among them. Or the rampant corporatism we’re witnessing. But no it’s not the wealthy corporations and corrupted politicians that are the problem, it’s the poor immigrants looking for better prospects from the hellhole they come from that we made with our interventions and destabilizing countries and toppling their democratically elected leaders in the name of “American interests” aka corporate agendas.
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Jacob Elledge so much to tell you. Well first off Macron is a neoliberal aka a conservative economic policy influenced by Milton Friedman and done by prominent conservatives like Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher from the US and UK respectively. The whole problem is this neoliberal globalization of corporate/capitalist greed outsourcing jobs and exploiting third world countries. This is why the Far Left, actual socialists and anarchist, have been fighting globalization since the 90s and beyond even. It’s the right that hijacks the left’s fight and makes it about xenophobia and bull like “cultural Marxism” looking like idiots. The Far Left is not New Deal Democrat’s, or Social Democrats, or Social Liberals like the Nordic countries. What they do is provide Social Welfare, protection laws of the laborers, and high unionization. They all still live within a Capitalist framework. So they’re not socialists, socialism is the end of capitalism and common ownership of the means of production. Reforms and regulations like in the Nordic model, or FDR, or American progressives aren’t real socialists. They’re trying to put band aids on the social ills and fuck ups of the Capitalist system otherwise it’ll collapse on itself. So remember if it’s not the end of capitalism it isn’t socialism. Modern liberalism means concern for social welfare, equality of opportunity, and fighting any systemic roadblocks against marginalized groups and minorities. That’s not socialism, which would just give workers ownership of their industries. Educate yourself.
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Jacob Elledge how uneducated are you exactly? The entire Far Left is made if anarchic socialists. We go by many schools of thought Anarcho-Syndicalism, Anarcho-Communism, Mutualists, Libertarian Socialists etc... Anarchism isn’t lawless disorder. It’s human organization without government, and the dismantling of all hierarchical structures and institutions that are unjustified in existing. The problem is you have a narrow minded thought of what socialism is, aka Cold War propaganda. At least learn about the ideals before you criticize. Socialism is a socio-economic organization, not a form of government. What you saw in in Russia was State socialism and a dictatorship. Not common ownership but State ownership which kind of negates the socialism. I think willing people making workers co-ops is the route to go. Start a collectively owned sector of industry in the US, and gradually grow from there. The whole point of liberalism was decentralized State power and liberty of the individual. I look at Capitalism and see centralized wealth and power among an elite socio-economic class undermining Democratic institutions and making an Oligarchy and mockery of the Constitution, politicians devoid of facts or reason. Even Thomas Jefferson feared another aristocracy in the US and turned suspicious eyes towards industrialists accumulating great Capital. There is nothing remotely un-American I believe in democratizing the workplace, and decentralizing the concentrated wealth and power of the wealthy elites. It’s continuing the legacy of liberalism as far as I’m concerned. Being far left I still feel a kindred spirit with the Fathers who saw government as a necessary evil. Little would they know that the Libertarian Left would exist and that in a post-Capitalist society ideas for human organization without government would exist. They also didn’t know of the threat of multi-national corporations and how powerful Capitalists could get. I’m sure they’d be horrified at the State of the American Republic today. Also I can share one instance such a society existed. If you can look into Anarcho-Syndicalist Catalonia you’ll find a governmentless society of workers prospering and being free. They had issues of course but it was the 2nd largest attempt at such a Socialist and Anarchist society since the Paris Commune in the 1800s. They were prosperous, happy, free.... and then Franco and the Fascists took over. Libertarian left is full of many schools of thoughts, and Socialism isn’t a clear collection of ideas either other than social ownership of the means of production. But I can tell this, from what I’ve read of the influential figures that founded the Socialist and anarchist ideologies they wanted people to be free. Just look at Gorge Orwell, who hated the Soviet Union and who’s stories would be synonymous with threat of authoritarian States, big brother, 1984, and Animal Farm. He was a true Democratic-Socialist who fought for Catalonia’s anarcho-syndicalists during the Spanish Civil War. Nothing is simple and not complicated, but I assure you I don’t want to take away freedoms in my ideals, but expand them. Sorry but Socialism isn’t what you think. The point is people collective own an industry and decide how much they’re paid. I can go into the nuances of the “every will get paid the same myth and how that’s wrong but you can educate yourself. Because a Socialist society isn’t driven by profit but by needs and community. As Marx predicted the wealth inequality will reach extreme highs and automation will replace workers, and then as Capitalism falls then the Socialist economy will be sought out not before. Good day.
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