Comments by "Ash Roskell" (@ashroskell) on "The Ring of Fire"
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When they catch the cop killer/s I’ll be a lot happier. I just pray it doesn’t turn out to be an off duty cop, or cops? But, I’m looking to the Impeachment Trial to not only expose the LIE of, “The Steal,” but the Conspiracy of the Coup! This was NOT a, “spontaneous event,” on the 6th, but a plotted, planned and resourced attempt at stealing the Republic, and it was green lit, three days before by trump. We have the evidence that puts him in a room with the same three people that the, “Event Organiser,” NAMED, before fleeing into hiding himself! If a week is a long time in politics, the two weeks of impeachment is going to feel like two years to the Conspirators who KNEW what was coming and helped CAUSE the deaths of American citizens, with a seditious LIE! I think they may yet GET their Conviction?
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I hope they prosecute the, “news,” companies that spread this LIE of the, “steal?” Fox cast doubt on the election over 700 times, according to Conservative analysts. Even though they KNEW it was a LIE! We used to hunt down and HANG propagandists and traitors after WWII! Now we let them broadcast on American soil and give them shares in the company?! It’s NOT a, “free speech,” issue, when someone screams, “fire!” in a packed theatre, and gets to watch people DIE in the chaos they caused! It’s time to hold, “news,” anchors ACCOUNTABLE for their SEDITIOUS CONSPIRACIES! ✌️
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I think the impeachment trial may surprise people? Most of the GOP are witnesses, who can be subpoenaed to testify. And that means they’ll have to give their, “evidence,” for claiming to, “believe,” in the, “steal,” or confess that they KNEW it was a LIE, under oath, on the record, and for all the world to see and hear! For the cult of trump, that will be a massive blow. Then there’s all the evidence that will prove it was NOT a, “spontaneous,” event, but a PLANNED CONSPIRACY! An attempted Coup! And, how many witnesses, (maybe military generals?) will come forward, to testify that they were asked to join the Conspiracy? America may well be DEMANDING trump’s Conviction by the time it’s over? No wonder Lindsay Graham and others are so DESPERATE to stop it, right?
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And they’re in a mad scramble for, “leadership,” and the party’s identity. They could end up a Hawley, Graham, Cruz, Proto-Nazi party? Or, the Moscow Mitch style of system gamers? The very insurrectionists who tried to destroy the Republic have no choice, because they’re looking at expulsion and possible criminal charges, when all the evidence comes out at trump’s impeachment! It’s do or die, for those guys. Sad as it makes me, we have to support Moscow Mitch, and help him get the votes he needs for trump’s impeachment!
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I hope they prosecute the, “news,” companies that spread this LIE of the, “steal?” Fox cast doubt on the election over 700 times, according to Conservative analysts. Even though they KNEW it was a LIE! We used to hunt down and HANG propagandists and traitors after WWII! Now we let them broadcast on American soil and give them shares in the company?! It’s NOT a, “free speech,” issue, when someone screams, “fire!” in a packed theatre, and gets to watch people DIE in the chaos they caused! It’s time to hold, “news,” anchors ACCOUNTABLE for their SEDITIOUS CONSPIRACIES! ✌️
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Jason Smith: I have Christian faith, which is WHY I no longer subscribe to "religion". Christ never condemned sinners, but saved them. Interestingly, the ONLY exception to this rule, that you'll find in the Bible, is when Christ met the crooked church leaders, whom He UTTERLY CONDEMNED as, "Serpents," "White washed coffins," and "The harshest judgement is reserved for you, who pervert the Word and mislead the God's followers for your own gain." That last sentence is something of a paraphrase, but believe me; I have watered it down, if anything. These con-artists have condemned themselves to reap the wages of sin; which is "Death".
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Donny invented Cancel Culture. “Lock her up,” was already old, before Donny got in the White House, remember? How about having your own GOP members Primaried? He was doing that as soon as he got in. And Cancelling Democracy on Jan 6th, along with 5 lives? Murder is the ULTIMATE Cancel Culture! The GOP are just as bad as Donny now, making the theme of their, “Boo hoo, I’m a Victim,” Naval Gazing conference. Hypocrisy is not a strong enough word! They’ve Cancelled logic!
And, why are we letting Donny use letter heads that claim he’s POTUS? That’s a serious fraud! I would go to jail for that! Especially to influence politics, or take donations? He can claim what he likes, but written letter heads are Fraud! Lock his criminal Orange ass up!!! ✌️👍
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Just one word that I would change in your sentence, to make it perfect: swap, “killed,” for, “murdered,” and you’re there. And it wasn’t just that the murderers were Republicans, but that, in their hour of need, at the height of the fighting, the response of ANY GOP, “lawmaker,” who wasn’t actually in the Capitol Building and in harm’s way, was to make it WORSE. And that goes doubly so for your Republic president, who poured fuel on the flames, while they burned. 👍
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@JustForFun-mt9og : Ah, but so much has changed since then. Sure, that, “nobody,” got the harshest sentence law allows, but since then? When an almost exact copy of that guy took an automatic rifle to join his Fascist protesters, and shot up the very people who tried to restrain him, claiming MORE than one life, what happened this time? His bail got paid by Nazis and he was celebrated on the internet and DEFENDED on mainstream TV (talking about you, Fox & Fiends!) and he was free within 24 hours!
And when he broke his bail conditions? They IGNORED IT! Then he breaks his bail terms again, and because of the media buzz, they reluctantly re-jail him, but this time he’s accompanied by a lawyer who already has a blank cheque from the Alt-Wrong to bail him right back out, despite the fact that his plans to flee America are on the internet, and the prosecution tells the judge he’s a flight risk! I don’t think he even saw the inside of a cell that time? And where is that multiple homicide waiting to happen again? Who knows? He FLED, as predicted! As he SAID he would! As the prosecution TOLD the judge he was planning to!
So, yeah. Things are very different now. Now you can do worse than kill an innocent civilian. You can kill two, whilst wounding many more, and become a folk hero, like some Nazi Jessie James, and remain free to tick away like a desperate time bomb with nothing to lose, when you are finally located. That’s the influence of trump’s presidency. If that other kid had waited a year, before running down multiple people and killing a woman with his car, he’d probably be sitting in a Canadian bar, swapping stories with Jessie James, about how, “cool,” the internet thinks they are, if you like Nazi websites . . . We’ve got a looohhht of work to do, America. And it’s all about educating our youth. Education needs a Moonshot Investment
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@mikejones8866 : Apparently he’s got an attorney now, so I hear? There’s always someone who could use the publicity, even if they’re willing to make a career out of defending Alt-Wrong Nazis for the rest of their days, there’s money to be made out of the, “friends,” of trump. But, don’t give up on the impeachment, people? Regardless of the outcome, it will be a fracture point for the whole GOP! Because most of the senior figures are WITNESSES. Therefore, they cannot sit on the Jury. It depends how many they subpoena. But think about it?
When they prove that the riot was a Conspiracy to have a Coup, (NOT a, “spontaneous event”) and witnesses testify that they were asked to join it; maybe military generals? And when GOP members are subpoenaed to testify that they KNEW, “The Steal,” was a seditious LIE, or give their, “evidence,” for, “believing,” in it; which can only come down to the Nuremberg Defence of, “We were only following orders,” the entire country will be DEMANDING trump’s conviction! It’s little wonder that Graham, Cruz, Hawley and the rest are DESPERATE to stop it, or trade policy for it?! A week is a long time in politics, but under today’s circumstances, I’m expecting seismic shifts . . . Stay tuned, and stay active, America. It’s not over till it’s over!
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When they prove that the riot was a Conspiracy to have a Coup, (NOT a, “spontaneous event”) and witnesses testify that they were asked to join it; maybe military generals? And when GOP members are subpoenaed to testify that they KNEW, “The Steal,” was a seditious LIE, or give their, “evidence,” for, “believing,” in it; which can only come down to the Nuremberg Defence of, “We were only following orders,” the entire country will be DEMANDING trump’s conviction! It’s little wonder that Graham, Cruz, Hawley and the rest are DESPERATE to stop it, or trade policy for it?! A week is a long time in politics, but under today’s circumstances, I’m expecting seismic shifts . . . Stay tuned, and stay active, America. It’s not over till it’s over!
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Kinda’ true. But, I’m optimistic about the Impeachment Trial, even now. Even if we don’t get that conviction, which I still think is a strong possibility? When they prove that the riot was a Conspiracy to have a Coup, (NOT a, “spontaneous event”) and witnesses testify that they were asked to join it; maybe military generals? And when GOP members are subpoenaed to testify that they KNEW, “The Steal,” was a seditious LIE, or give their, “evidence,” for, “believing,” in it; which can only come down to the Nuremberg Defence of, “We were only following orders,” the entire country will be DEMANDING trump’s conviction! It’s little wonder that Graham, Cruz, Hawley and the rest are DESPERATE to stop it, or trade policy for it?! A week is a long time in politics, but under today’s circumstances, I’m expecting seismic shifts . . . Stay tuned, and stay active, America. It’s not over till it’s over!
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@josh8494 : After WWII, we actually hunted down and HUNG the seditious, propagandist, TRAITORS who openly attacked our democracy and got people KILLED! Now we allow Fox to cast doubt on the election, over 700 TIMES (as counted by Conservative analyst, Max Boot) between Nov 7th and the riot of Jan 6th, and we let them do it on American soil, and take profits from their shares in the company! It’s not about, “free speech,” when you’re dressing LIES as, “news,” that get people KILLED!? It’s flat out SEDITION and an open hatred of the American way of life! It’s active propaganda, designed to destabilise democracy and the state, AND IT WORKS! We should be DEMANDING that it’s OUTLAWED and that (w)anchors are held to account! At the harshest, swiftest levels that law allows! I mean, WTF, America???
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Humble one : I was thinking that. We’ll be LUCKY to see them Struck Off, given that these were financial crimes, so they’ll get a fine, be told to pay back the money, and be BACK OUT, AND AT IT AGAIN, WITHIN A YEAR . . . I don’t know why, but they make me think of that obtuse couple in Better Call Saul, that just weren’t willing to face REALITY, even when Jimmy catches them Red Handed? I mean, HOW MANY TIMES did they have to REPEAT THE PROCESS to get to THAT KIND of life-changing amount of cash? . . . Mean SCUMBAGS, who won’t be able to show their faces in THAT town any more, but will pop up, like a rash, somewhere else . . . SMH . . .
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And that day might come sooner than we all think? I honestly think the impeachment trial is going shock people into action? Most of the GOP are witnesses, who can be subpoenaed to testify. And that means they’ll have to give their, “evidence,” for claiming to, “believe,” in the, “steal,” or confess that they KNEW it was a LIE, under oath, on the record, and for all the world to see and hear! For the cult of trump, that will be a massive blow. Then there’s all the evidence that will prove it was NOT a, “spontaneous,” event, but a PLANNED CONSPIRACY! An attempted Coup! And, how many witnesses, (maybe military generals?) will come forward, to testify that they were asked to join the Conspiracy? America may well be DEMANDING trump’s Conviction by the time it’s over? No wonder Lindsay Graham and others are so DESPERATE to stop it, right?
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Email the Impeachment Managers, if you want justice? Demand that they Get the GOP top brass on the witness stand at this impeachment, and the, “verdict,” won’t matter. All the cult will remember will be that Lindsay Graham told them that “the steal” is a seditious lie. That Ted Cruz admitted that they all KNEW it was a lie. That even Josh Hawley refused to give any, “evidence,” for, “The Steal,” because he had none to give, and had no 5th Amendment protections, and they didn’t want to be indicted for Conspiracy, Perjury or worse! That’s how you break the GOP in two!
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Surprises me that this guy thinks trump’s court tactics are relatively new? Trump has always used suing and dragging out cases as a way of breaking his opponents. That’s why he’s always counter-sued people who’ve sued him for their wages owed, or other things. That’s why I’m PRAYING that the tech Titans that trump,is suing now, decide to counter sue him? They could claim defamation, because he’s accusing them of, “censorship,” which would be criminal, if it were true? Then they could force discovery and drag it out with more money and resources than he’ll ever have, and maybe even break his bank? Once he’s locked in to a counter-defamation suit, he can’t back out either! Just pray that Facebook and Google do that to him? It would be awesome, and I, personally, would forgive the tech giants for an awful lot, if they crushed Donny once and for all. 😉
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Boombox ATC : Yeah, I did pick up on that. That it’s been around for 20 years, or so. But, the fact that it’s, apparently, a well known, “thing,” and Trump does nothing ABOUT IT, is worrying? But, to be honest, I simply spoke to express my horror at learning of this, and then to upset a few Trump Trolls 😁
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And they’re in a mad scramble for, “leadership,” and the party’s identity. They could end up a Hawley, Graham, Cruz, Proto-Nazi party? Or, the Moscow Mitch style of system gamers? The very insurrectionists who tried to destroy the Republic have no choice, because they’re looking at expulsion and possible criminal charges, when all the evidence comes out at trump’s impeachment! It’s do or die, for those guys. Sad as it makes me, we have to support Moscow Mitch, and help him get the votes he needs for trump’s impeachment!
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He has to testify. And, them trying to shout, “objection,” to every single question, won’t work this time. When they prove that the riot was a Conspiracy to have a Coup, and witnesses testify that they were asked to join it; maybe military generals? And when GOP members are subpoenaed to testify that they KNEW, “The Steal,” was a seditious LIE, or give their, “evidence,” for, “believing,” in it; which can only come down to the Nuremberg Defence of, “We were only following orders,” the entire country will be DEMANDING trump’s conviction! It’s little wonder that Graham, Cruz, Hawley and the rest are DESPERATE to stop it, or trade policy for it?! A week is a long time in politics, but under today’s circumstances, I’m expecting seismic shifts . . . Stay tuned, and stay active, America. It’s not over till it’s over!
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Daniel Appleton : Much as I’d LOVE to see that happen, it is a bit of a red herring. That’s a fight that Trump and his lawyers could get bogged down into, until the end of his term (single). Whereas, we HAVE Trump’s record and all of the things he’s said and DONE, which are AMPLE grounds for his removal? From his hatred of women; his confessed assaults; his blatant racism; his undermining of our institutions and law and order; his threats to lock up his political opponents; his attacks on the 1st Amendment; his conspiracy with the Russians; his Obstruction of Justice; his childish threats, which could result in NUCLEAR ANNIHILATION!; his failure to assist the people of Puerto Rico; and I COULD go on and on? But, what’s the point? That GOP has MORE than enough and they are AWARE that Trump is a liability. So, we can only conclude that many, if not ALL of them, have something to lose, if Mueller keeps probing. Look at how TRIGGERED they get, whenever the subject of MONEY comes up, in relation to the investigation? They have NO VESTED INTEREST in Trump, politically and a LOT of reasons to dump him, including personal scores to settle, after the way he’s demeaned them. So, WHY haven’t they just DUMPED the Trump? They HAVE TO have something to lose, right?
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It has been such a relief. Email the Impeachment Managers, if you want justice? Demand that they Get the GOP top brass on the witness stand at this impeachment, and the, “verdict,” won’t matter. All the cult will remember will be that Lindsay Graham told them that “the steal” is a seditious lie. That Ted Cruz admitted that they all KNEW it was a lie. That even Josh Hawley refused to give any, “evidence,” for, “The Steal,” because he had none to give, and had no 5th Amendment protections, and they didn’t want to be indicted for Conspiracy, Perjury or worse! That’s how you break the GOP in two!
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He’s TERRIFIED of being on the stand, and he’s going to make it happen! No 5th Amendment, a BILLION dollar lawsuit if you lie, not to mention Perjury, Conspiracy and other charges! He’ll be forced to ADMIT that, “The Steal,” is a Seditious LIE, and they all knew it from the start! And, that’s what he’s SO SCARED of! His, “threats,” sound more like enticing PROMISES to the Impeachment Managers! Let HIM be the one to fling open the doors, and have the GOP top brass all testify, under oath, on LIVE TV! 🤣👍
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Donny invented Cancel Culture. “Lock her up,” was already old, before Donny got in the White House, remember? How about having your own GOP members Primaried? He was doing that as soon as he got in. And Cancelling Democracy on Jan 6th, along with 5 lives? Murder is the ULTIMATE Cancel Culture! The GOP are just as bad as Donny now, making the theme of their, “Boo hoo, I’m a Victim,” Naval Gazing conference. Hypocrisy is not a strong enough word! They’ve Cancelled logic!
And, why are we letting Donny use letter heads that claim he’s POTUS? That’s a serious fraud! I would go to jail for that! Especially to influence politics, or take donations? He can claim what he likes, but written letter heads are Fraud! Lock his criminal Orange ass up! ✌️👍
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@Sam-vh5vn : But, the reassuring part, for me at least, was that there were so few, don’t you think? Out of 25,000 troops, they only had to pull a handful. When we must expect that the police and military, being just Americans like the rest of us, are as divided as the rest of the country, I was pleasantly surprised. I think, possibly the worst, “development,” we could get from the autopsy of this failed Coup (other than things with national implications, I mean) would be if, when they catch the cop killer/s, it turns out to be an off-duty cop! Or cops, plural!? That would be a blow to America’s morale. But, not as big a blow as never catching the perps ✌️👍
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: And have you ever known, or heard of, a fascist who’s willing to, “lead,” and put their own skin in the game? Even in the whole historic record? I haven’t? It was over, once they knew they might lose something (ANYTHING) but that only means they’re out there, taking their seditious propaganda tips from Putin, and pumping it into their shrinking access points of American discourse. I genuinely think it’s time to outlaw sedition, like they did in the old days. I’m not saying we should hunt down and hang propagandists, like we did after WWII, but we should at least STOP Fox & Fiends from being allowed to cast doubt on legitimate elections, destabilise democracy and be the root cause of an attempted Coup that cost American lives!? It’s NOT a, “free speech,” issue, to dress a blatant LIE up as, “news.” Yet Fox was assessed by Conservative analysts as promoting, “The Steal,” over 700 TIMES, between the election and the riots of the 6th! That’s just screaming, “Fire,” in a packed theatre and sitting back to watch others die in the chaos, THAT THEY CAUSED! It’s flat out Sedition. And it’s up to us to DEMAND truth and JUSTICE for those who took part! ✌️👍
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You REALLY shouldn't comment unless you know what you're saying? It does NOT say, "Thou shalt not kill," ANYWHERE in the Bible. Christ had no problem with soldiers; in fact he praised a Roman "Sargent" for his faith and healed his servant. You were PROBABLY thinking of, "Thou shalt do no murder," which, if you ask any cop, military professional or citizen who has fended off a home invasion, is NOT THE SAME THING.
The Muslims share the Old Testament with us and the Jews. That's the collection of books in which Moses has his people commit genocide at God's command. And in which God punishes King Saul for sparing people, and some of their livestock, from another of His genocides.
Don't trust "Received Wisdom" and do some ACTUAL reading, before you pronounce judgement upon others. For "Judgement" is a sin too, you know, and YOU have just illustrated WHY that is
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Yes, of course I would, "like it if we were all to tell the truth," and if by, "these people," you mean the above televangelists, I agree, they are lying. Jesus NEVER got involved with politics and overtly discouraged it in those who followed Him. "Be in the world, not of it," for example, and, "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's." That is one of the many ways in which you can spot a fraud. They meddle in politics, they equate your fiscal generosity (specifically to THEIR coffers) with closeness to God, they equate reasonable doubt and any questioning (especially of THEIR doctrine) with Satanic falls from Grace, they, as Shakespeare said, "will site Scripture to for their own ends," and they DISCOURAGE those whom THEY do not like, instead of ENCOURAGING them toward the light
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@slatibaadfast : What, “policies?” Trump HAD NO policies on Covid. Unless you count DENIAL as a, “policy?” As to the word, “Conservative,” I honestly think we should all be a bit more real about what the trump’s are? They are NOT Conservative, by any description or definition. They’re fascist. They don’t believe an, “opposition,” party, of ANY kind, should be allowed. Remember, “Lock Her Up,” started BEFORE trump was even, “elected.” Trump invented Cancel Culture, which is why he blames his opponents for it, as is their MO. But, Conservatives, like me, believe that you don’t even HAVE a Democracy or a Republic, UNLESS the government in office (regardless of its politics) has a strong opposition, able to publicly debate, challenge and scrutinise policy, and that has the POWER to hold government to account for excesses, or illegality. Important distinction there, which goes to the heart of what the trump’s REALY are.
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Wasteland nomad : REALLY? You say that out loud, as it were, and CANNOT SEE the flaw in your own question??? A] When a judge DEMONSTRATES that he does not know the law, we should all be concerned and probably should review his judgements, to see just how often he has applied his unreasoned thinking to cases. B] His desire to imprison people MUST influence his POLITICS. Remember, these protestors NEVER “disrespected the flag” as that view is just a false interpretation, put on their actions, by people who got us all talking about THAT, instead of what they are protesting. C] This piece is about the fact that this judge intends to become a Senator. Now, remind me? How is “POLICY” made in America, again? The VERY FACT that a man who has such CONTEMPT for the rule of law is a judge, is one thing. But, that he could be a serious contender for a position as a LAW MAKER, would ONCE have been enough to cause public outcry! The Founding Fathers would be disgusted by this state of affairs.
Get it NOW?
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I hope they prosecute the, “news,” companies that spread this LIE of the, “steal?” Fox cast doubt on the election over 700 times, according to Conservative analysts. Even though they KNEW it was a LIE! We used to hunt down and HANG propagandists and traitors after WWII! Now we let them broadcast on American soil and give them shares in the company?! It’s NOT a, “free speech,” issue, when someone screams, “fire!” in a packed theatre, and gets to watch people DIE in the chaos they caused! It’s time to hold, “news,” anchors ACCOUNTABLE for their SEDITIOUS CONSPIRACIES! ✌️
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When they prove that the riot was a Conspiracy to have a Coup, and witnesses testify that they were asked to join it; maybe military generals? And when GOP members are subpoenaed to testify that they KNEW, “The Steal,” was a seditious LIE, or give their, “evidence,” for, “believing,” in it; which can only come down to the Nuremberg Defence of, “We were only following orders,” the entire country will be DEMANDING trump’s conviction! It’s little wonder that Graham, Cruz, Hawley and the rest are DESPERATE to stop it, or trade policy for it?! A week is a long time in politics, but under today’s circumstances, I’m expecting seismic shifts . . . Stay tuned, and stay active, America. It’s not over till it’s over!
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And they’re in a mad scramble for, “leadership,” and the party’s identity. They could end up a Hawley, Graham, Cruz, Proto-Nazi party? Or, the Moscow Mitch style of system gamers? The very insurrectionists who tried to destroy the Republic have no choice, because they’re looking at expulsion and possible criminal charges, when all the evidence comes out at trump’s impeachment! It’s do or die, for those guys. Sad as it makes me, we have to support Moscow Mitch, and help him get the votes he needs for trump’s impeachment!
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He probably figured that a contract with a rich company would have to be legally fulfilled either way? He knew if the charges came to light later on, and N-Max then dropped him, he’d still get paid? And that’s his legal fees, right there. And he knew it would be unlikely that any charges might stick, as it’s so hard to establish, “intent,” “foreknowledge,” etc? But, consider the optics? If he was charged with something, just after becoming an anchor (or regular pundit) on N-Max, he would not just argue that it was a, “political move,” to, “silence,” him, etc, etc, etc, but most importantly, he would have the PLATFORM from which to fight back, daily! With guaranteed coverage from other right wing outlets, like F*x! After all, the truth has never mattered to trump, right? Just having a big enough platform to reach as many people as possible is the only standard that seems to count? Even (forgive the term) trumping politics and the law?
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Genix : Technically, you are ENTIRELY wrong. You should study what CAN be done with it. NOT why YOU think it was first created? I know the process, and, after a little back and forth, with letter writing (something that Trump would be required to do HIMSELF, WITHOUT ASSISTANCE), which Trump could screw up on, right there, you simply need a majority in Congress and the Senate. Given that such a step would be offering a STACK of important jobs to the Washington insiders, along with the opportunity to get rid of the chaos mongers from the outside, it is actually harder to see, once invoked, how could they say “No” to that?
Juicy jobs for the boys, the Democrats will be ALL OVER IT, and they will KNOW that they won’t get another chance, so they can’t afford to blow it, which issue will help the vacillators decide, so, once invoked, there will be NO STOPPING that train.
I suspect they are waiting for the 2018 elections to be over? I can think of at least two good reasons for them to wait until then?
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“The reason they’re just beginning,” is because he’s a habitual criminal, and an idiot who would never have been able to get away with nearly any of the crimes he committed in office, had he not been enabled by criminal enablers. I think the impeachment trial may surprise people? Most of the GOP are witnesses, who can be subpoenaed to testify. And that means they’ll have to give their, “evidence,” for claiming to, “believe,” in the, “steal,” or confess that they KNEW it was a LIE, under oath, on the record, and for all the world to see and hear! For the cult of trump, that will be a massive blow. Then there’s all the evidence that will prove it was NOT a, “spontaneous,” event, but a PLANNED CONSPIRACY! An attempted Coup! And, how many witnesses, (maybe military generals?) will come forward, to testify that they were asked to join the Conspiracy? America may well be DEMANDING trump’s Conviction by the time it’s over? No wonder Lindsay Graham and others are so DESPERATE to stop it, right?
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Any Judge would point out that Harris is not on trial, and the issues do not pertain. He’s TERRIFIED of being on the witness stand, and he’s going to make it happen! No 5th Amendment, a BILLION dollar lawsuit if you lie, not to mention Perjury, Conspiracy and other charges! He’ll be forced to ADMIT that, “The Steal,” is a Seditious LIE, and they all knew it from the start! And, that’s what he’s SO SCARED of! His, “threats,” sound more like enticing PROMISES to the Impeachment Managers! Let HIM be the one to fling open the doors, and have the GOP top brass all testify, under oath, on LIVE TV!
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The scandals are healthy though. It’s always good when the Fascists are eating their own. Just like when so many Q followers wised up, when Biden’s Inauguration wasn’t stopped, and all of his party put in jail, and trump didn’t magically remain president. It helps when a big public display, shows cult members that they’re being shafted. We know what any judge will be forced to say, “Should have read the fine print.” But, will that matter, when his or her summing up includes damning passages about the utter immorality of Roger Stone’s, “Stop The Steal,” fund? The Impeachment Managers are constantly pointing to the basis of the insurrection, “The Steal,” which AIN’T REAL, and making the Nation SEE that this is an unequivocal, unchallenged, empirical FACT! And that alone is throwing the cult into confusion! They can’t understand why trump’s, “defence,” (if you can call them that?) aren’t even challenging that!? All scandals of this nature are good for the country ✌️
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@dougn2350 : Actually, there were two types of donors to R Stone’s, “Stop the steal,” scam. The rich ones, who were only trying to buy last minute policy concessions, job titles to put on their CV’s, (even if they knew they would only hold their posts for a week or two) and, of course, the Pardons they purchased; but the rest were relatively poor, undereducated, dumb sh*tkickers, who could ill afford the significant amounts of cash they threw at this, on impulse, as they were worked up into an urgent sense of crisis and fear, by a consummate con man (Stone) who had already mastered The Art Of The Steal, whilst Donny was still punching music teachers and paying his fellow students to take his exams for him. It’s always the poorest who give the most, when it’s a giant scam. Just ask the poor, undereducated racists who threw all their wages at the We Build The Wall GoFundMe? The rich donors KNOW their money is being stolen and laundered and, usually, don’t care, because they’re, “buying,” something for that bribe. But, because trump had a whole political party and a propaganda network (dressed up to look like news; Fox, etc) behind him, this case has been unique in history. He’s managed to con well meaning mid-level business men and women into thinking their Democracy was actually stolen, while he attempted to steal it. Now, that’s unprecedented, in the modern era . . . ✌️
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@shelleyroberts2868 : It’s actually true that most of trump’s money has come from the poorest, most vulnerable, least educated Americans. See my comment above for expansion on that (if you’re interested?). But, right now, with the fossil fuel barons actually having NO money to give, and the usual big business donors ditching him and so many other GOP members, for being a bit too, “Fascisty,” his cult is the ONLY game in town for big money right now! And, that’s also why the GOP haven’t cut the thread with Donny . . . yet . . . Because there is only the Roger Stone victims to get any REAL money from! Those who still believe that, “The Steal,” was a, “thing.”
I too feel for them, genuinely. I ask, “What would I be prepared to do, if I BELIEVED my election had been stolen in a Coup?” Sure, I wouldn’t break the law, and I sure as hell would NOT attack cops. But, if the Q story had proved true, and they DID, “round up everyone at the Inauguration and trump was reinstated as president,” and if Joe Biden’s Resistance had broadcast on emergency channels, for all patriots to gather a certain points around the country? I would have been willing to risk my life to save the Republic. I think the true, “believers,” only made up around 10 to 20 % of that insurrectionist crowd. But, even that many, genuine believers, came as a genuine shock to me 👍
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Michelle D.
You are the reason I wish I'd gotten around to reviewing this thread earlier. Thank you for taking the time to express your kind and well thought out words.
I avoided a book called The Science Delusion for ages, thinking it would be an ad hominem and angry response to Richard Dawkins' The God Delusion, doing more harm than good. However, I would recommend it, now that I HAVE read it. And especially to agnostics. Written by a highly qualified, highly respected biologist, The Science Delusion is a REAL EYE OPENER on modern physics, scientific politics, the influence of celebrity and, most importantly, the VERY DEEP FLAWS in the standard "materialist" model, pushed SO HARD by guys like Dawkins. It also reveals some fascinating incidents, that have taken place between the author and Dawkins, which exposed Dawkins' hypocrisy, his attempts to defraud the whole public debate and his REAL AGENDA that many, BUT NOT ALL, scientists share.
That agenda is for scientists to become the new High Priests of the Science Lab Temple, and to take control over policy, budgets and public thinking. The author does NOT get bogged down in that element of the Science Delusion, after exposing it, but simply focuses on GENUINE experiments that he has done, with the HIGHEST standards of RIGOR AND PEER REVIEW. And his results, for those who understand science, are simply STUNNING.
I urge you to get hold of a copy, and I will gladly provide links, if you are interested, for the book, the audio book and or other works by this prolific author.
I know I have gone on a bit, but I hope you can see that I am speaking to your point, in that, there is an agenda out there for science to bait religion into hopeless arguments, which make those of faith appear to be naive and even dangerous, so that people will mock them and place their faith in science. Many scientists are disgusted by this approach, particularly given the emerging evidence, that is breaking down the "materialist's" world view and changing the paradigm of science.
And THAT is why the materialists LOVE to get people arguing over the "age of the Earth"! And it is why Christians need a better education into their own beliefs. Sadly, many are lead by the ignorant in both science AND religion.
But I PROMISE YOU, if you are truly an agnostic, this book will lead you to further research and will change your life.
Thank you again and God bless you
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: To your previous comment, all I can say is, “yes,” we don’t know. But, that should be the theme of the impeachment right? Was it a, “spontaneous event,” or was it, as the evidence makes blatantly clear, a planned thing? No matter how incompetent, how fabulous trump’s warped brain is, if he approached generals in the military, requesting their support for a Coup, (which I strongly suspect he did) that testimony must be laid before the impeachment! If the, “event organiser,” is telling the truth, about the three GOP members who planned the event with him, and gave guided tours the day before, the American people need to know! And, if Donny green lit that, three days before? . . . We’re no longer looking at, “Inciting an Insurrection,” but a Conspiracy to stage a COUP! And, the American people will react to that; and probably DEMAND his conviction. We really cannot say what might have happened, except that it definitely would have involved more deaths and more country wide chaos. But, the American people NEED TO KNOW ALL THE FACTS. I think, if they subpoena everyone involved, and get their testimonies, under oath, the whole dynamic will change, America will be aghast, and we might just get to stomp out the symptom of the trump family, so we can deal with the disease of fascism, coming from Putin! But that’s just me, I guess? ✌️👍
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Well, at least the Capitol Police get that now. Now they know what it’s like for the victims of a family who prosecute the cops for shooting their kid in the face on the grounds that s/he was skateboarding while black, and the JUDGE is the one who finds the technicality that gets the case thrown out of court, before they can even get to the witnesses (wouldn’t want graphic, detailed testimony blackening the cop’s name, when we’re going to let him walk AND continue being a cop, would we?) and makes it all go away. It must really suck to find yourself on the bottom rung of America’s cast system? But, at least they have the wear with all to DO something about it, and don’t have to rely on appealing to America for help, by telling their stories on CNN, in a desperate bid for justice that leaves their lives an open book for any stranger to scrutinise and pick holes in, for the rest of their days?
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Elijah Craig & Peter Lorimer :
I was most interested int the dialogue between you two. You both pretty much nailed it, and might be interested to see this, short CNN vid?:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmPJ2rpqX1Y&t=1s
It's not ACTUALLY the vid itself, that's interesting, but the threads underneath. I've NEVER SEEN such an organised SWAMPING by Russian Trolls and Breitbart shills! It REALLY IS something to behold!
They invaded and OWNED the WHOLE PAGE. And almost NONE of them responded to my incendiary comments?! Why? Because it was an ORGANIZED ATTACK, of which more and more are occurring and, like a swarm of locusts, they had moved on.
ANY casual observer would think that the vast majority of CNN video viewers (and therefore the majority of country) are pro-Trump, varying in their criticism of CNN from haters to simply-don't-likers, and that it would be hopeless to argue with such a vast army! Yet, as I say, they barely responded to provocation, which I experimented with, to see if there were any "real people" involved.
We are going to see more and more of this. We are STILL under ATTACK from Russia
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Richard Huey
I guessed, correctly I believe, that he has "heard" stuff about what the Bible says, and leaped to a narrative-confirming, prejudicial conclusion about it. And, which ever way you slice it, his conclusions were dismissing an entire group of his fellow humans on that basis, which is an ugly thing for anyone. Nevertheless, there is a significant moral and intellectual distinction to be made, between drawing conclusions about what he meant, about which I COULD be mistaken (even though you and I both know I am not) and my "judging" him as a person. I have made no comment on what I think of him personally. Admittedly, one COULD infer some things from my words, but I doubt you would be 100% accurate. And I never implied that I was any good at being a Christian. James tells us, "He who says he is without sin, is deceived."
I do my best, which is often short of the Glory, but it is just plain, morally, wrong to let people misquote and possibly deceive others about the Bible, and not speak out the truth. The Bible tells me so
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The Ring of Fire : “Why now?” Could it be because the tacit agreement within the Republican Party has been to ride this crazy train, while it serves their purposes, so they can later BLAME Trump for the mess he’s made? That way, they get to win back some credibility, when they FINALLY, “nobly, stand up to Trump,” at last, saying, “Enough is enough,” while they push the train off the tracks? I mean, let’s face it. It wouldn’t take much to cause Trump to have a blow out? It’s probably just a question of having a camera on him, while Trump talks about just how STUPID he thinks his “base” is? Maybe they have that footage prepared?
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