Comments by "Ash Roskell" (@ashroskell) on "SomeOrdinaryGamers"
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How do you think they got so rich? It sure wasn’t by giving a damn about their employees. Phil Spencer, in that clip, was actively gaslighting fans, claiming he wants to, “foster creativity,” by, “allowing,” studios to make games of a type they don’t usually make.
Half of the team that made Redfall, including all of its founders, had already left the company by the time that game was published. Those brave enough to speak out about why they left all said it was because they were being, “forced,” to make a live service game, which they had no experience making. Then Spencer flipped and said it would be a single player narrative, when they were already near completion, forcing them to rework the entire project, with the results we all saw.
They had pleaded with Spencer not to force them out of their lane in the first place, into a type of game they didn’t like or believe in ethically, let alone artistically. But their pleas fell on deaf ears, until the Microsoft higher ups changed their minds, when it was already too late. They pleaded even louder with Spencer for more time, but again, deaf ears.
He KNEW the game wasn’t ready, yet he outright lied in his softball Q&A sessions, saying he was getting great feedback from all the testers. He had simply calculated that the game would flop but, by releasing it in an incomplete state, he could still watch the calendar for when those quarterly payouts to the shareholders were due and guarantee their payoffs. And how could he guarantee them? Glad you asked. By knowing that he could still make savings at the other end, by firing staff. As long as the shareholders (who don’t play video games or know anything about them) get their money come pay day, everything is fine. And the investors probably don’t even know about these disasters in the community. All they know is that the first day they don’t get their LEGALLY ENFORCEABLE promised payouts, they will move on into another industry and gut that.
Which is why, to the public, Spencer says the direct opposite of the truth and gaslights us players about what the studios actually wanted. Most of these people are bound by NDA’s, so the fact that we hear anything contradicting him, or even just challenging his basic assumptions, at all is as a result of brave individuals taking big risks.
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How easy would it be to ban content creators who break the, “spirit,” of Twitch’s TOS, or people who advertise or promote other porn channels? Twitch just comes off as greedy and dumb in this story.
And Muta is quite right. They’re playing a dangerous game with their own TOS, that could lead to them being hauled over the coals in front of Congress, so it’s hardly surprising that their most popular content creators are also behaving just like them, viewing, “the rules,” as a challenge to be overcome in a very public game of Whackamole, not a thing to be obeyed.
Twitch doesn’t play by the spirit of the game, so nor do their creators. I’d bet real money that Twitch’s top money making content creators have person to person negotiations with Twitch moderators and managers to ensure they don’t get banned and that the moderators don’t, “have to,” ban them, before making their next anus lensed masterpiece.
If you make enough money for twitch a live human sacrifice during a drug fuelled sex orgy would probably only result in a ban of up to 10 days! Then Twitch would be smuggling cameras into into your prison cell and demanding you get back out there.
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That’s a good point. I have often thought that most of the TOS that games use would never stand up to a serious legal challenge. But it’s just a question of someone having the money and the will to do it. That person would face private investigators acting like CIA spooks, trying to intimidate them, death threats, bribes, all kinds of horrors which have been documented already as the common practices of publishers like EA Publishing, Take Two and Ubisoft, for example.
Consider this example just to start with: What other industry is able to get you to buy their product, fully pay for it, download and install that product and only then, after they have your money, after they have installed all their monitoring programs which generate cash for them, can you read their Terms Of Service and have to agree to them if you want to play your game? If you disagree you cannot play and you are not entitled to your money back. That’s insane!
No court in any free country would uphold an industry’s right to hold you to ransom like that! “I only get to look at the contract AFTER I paid for the product?” The publisher would be laughed out of court! But no one challenges this standard practice.
There are a raft of things that the games industry gets away with that they must know they could never back up in the courts. But they rely on lobby groups to make politicians look the other way and the abject ignorance of those mostly elderly politicians, more interested in book and film laws, or oil rights.
We need entire departments specialising in gaming law in each of the free world’s countries, as a matter of urgency. We’re talking multiple $£€ billions here, for single publishers alone! Massive tax revenues and consumer rights issues, sailing blithely under the radar!
Would you buy a house, a car, a fridge, without knowing anything about it other than what the ads tell you, only to get it home and find out it isn’t even FINISHED yet!? “Oh don’t worry. The steering wheel is coming in an update in a couple of months . . . maybe.” WTF??? “Of course you’ll get a roof on your house! It’s a new house! You didn’t expect it to be perfect on day one, did you? Wait for the patch!” Whuh? . . . The games industry is the ONLY industry on Planet Earth that is routinely getting away with murder at the levels of a Bangladeshi Telemarketer, yet we do NOTHING about this???
That’s why, for example, CyberPunk 2077 became such a good game after its SHAMEFUL launch. Because the Polish Government had invested serious capital into that game and were expecting results. They only had to make the threat of taking CDPR to court and they caved instantly, acceding to every demand the government made, no matter how unreasonable they thought they were being. Because they KNEW they had no legal legs to stand on and that other aspects of gaming law might come under scrutiny, setting precedents that could start the dominoes falling throughout the entire industry.
And NO ONE in the games publishing industry wants a powerful organisation like a government, challenging the way they do business on behalf of consumers. That’s a Pandora’s Box they need to keep firmly shut. The rumour is that other publishers stepped in, (I heard Take Two was one of them, but I have no proof) offering the Polish government money to buy CDPR time and offering to make them whole if CDPR failed to turn things around.
But, make no mistake. We’re at these levels now. Where a games publishing company can destabilise the entire economy of a European power, through the failed launch of one game! And it’s not like they didn’t make serious profits anyway! Just not as much as they projected. If a games company making a serious profit, but just not enough, if what it takes to rock the economy of Poland, consider the God Tier levels this economic game is being played around the world?
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@foxman8344 : How well do you know the channel, SomeOrdinaryGamers? I ask because it sounds like you don’t know it too well? I think you expressed an utter misreading of both sides in that video. Of course it’s, “drama,” because it is, “dramatic.” He’s talking about someone he liked and thought he could trust.
Did you register how often Muta encouraged viewers to do their own homework on this story and into charities generally? How he demonstrated the method for doing so and explained, step by step, how you can do this for yourself and draw your own conclusions?
It’s like you are losing sight of the fact that he is making YouTube videos for, “entertainment,” and presenting his subject matter (whether it be serious or trivial) in an entertaining way?
But none of that should negate the fact that Muta is telling you that there’s a YouTuber out there whom he has followed and admired all these years, only to find out that he has some deeply disturbing financial behaviour going on? That’s a dramatic story, which Muta handled in his usual, inimitable style, yet I thought he presented it very even handedly and with due consideration.
Are you honestly telling me that your suspicions as to the motives of the person presenting you with the facts would colour your interpretation of those facts? You saw the records and heard their response. Those are not opinions, are they? Just facts.
Are you honestly, “not,” seeing a massive red flag, when the guy who has been sitting on this growing sum of money, taking, “relatively,” small sums each year, with absolutely no accountability for where those, “expenses,” have gone, responds to Muta’s enquiry with, “I was just about to give it away,” and, “Maybe you could suggest whom to give it to?” which sounds very much like, “Would you like a bribe to keep this quiet?” at worst and, “You caught me red handed, but I can give most of it back,” at best to me!
I mean, he doesn’t want to waste the charity’s money on, “giving it to a doctor or something”??? . . . Whu? . . ? Isn’t that what it’s FOR? If I had any doubts about the guy, they were eradicated when I heard him talk!
He acts like a guy who was in the middle of stealing a TV, making excuses and just hoping he can put it back down and flee the scene! He was hoping he could sit on that pot and take it all for himself in a few years from now. That’s obvious. He lied repeatedly on his streams, saying the money was already in the hands of other charities, which he NAMED, yet he says he cannot identify a worthy one!? Look at the other video attached to this one, and you’ll see for yourself. Those were undeniably outright, repeated lies, over a period of years! Not once, over all those years, did he EVER tell his audience he was, “having difficulty,” identifying a worthy recipient! Why? Because he didn’t want anyone to know he was LYING to them!
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@DakotaActually : Wow! . . . Calm down, kid. The sun will still rise in the morning and you’ll be fine, okay. I did answer your question and I am in a position to. What you’re refusing to acknowledge is that the question itself is flawed. It genuinely is like asking a physicist, “So, if the Earth turns out to be flat, will you apologise to all those people you laughed at?” We have the Completionist’s own confession to most of it already. Time stamped video in the public domain show that he nevertheless lied about further, crucial details. Add to that the public filings, showing there is considerably more at play, unaccounted for. A low estimate puts that figure in the hundreds of thousands, possibly as high as millions!
So, let me put it to you like this: If it turns out that you’re not a human being after all, but actually a small, spiky mammal, are you prepared to apologise to your friends, colleagues and family members for wasting everybody’s time on clothes, human food and that education that was clearly lost on you? Or, perhaps now, you’re willing to acknowledge that the question makes no sense?
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Red Dead Redemption 2 is a perfect example of that. I can spend literal days not playing the story, but still in single player mode, “gooning,” around, teasing lawmen, stealing bounties, harassing shop keepers, and generally making the lives of NPC’s and savage animals go wrong.
We should be campaigning for the, “Right To OWN,” law. All single player games should work offline. Even updates could be subscription funded, but NEVER forcing players to be at the mercy of greedy corporations.
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