Comments by "pplr1" (@pplr1) on "Oliver Stone: Vladimir Putin and War in Ukraine | Lex Fridman Podcast #286" video.

  1. Lex tries to let people speak. That is often a good thing. That said this interview was still loaded with dishonesty and distortions.
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  2. Or Stone is showing a bias for Putin. For example discussing suppression and supposed death squads in Ukraine but not Russia where one of the most dangerous things a Russian can do is try to be a local journalist that is honest. Plus in mentioning Bucha Oliver Stone just tried to cover a Russian warcrime by saying Ukrainians would without much evidence in this current war.
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  3. Yeah, what actually caught me more was when Stone tried to cover for Russian war crimes in Bucha.
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  4. Putin is already doing what he can to enslave Russians. I would not look to him with any hope of improving the world.
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  5. I hope your nation succeeds. Judging from this interview it is Oliver Stone who has problems being honest. I was struck when he tried to cover for what was done in Bucha.
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  6. Also my sympathy for having to put up with people (or bots?) like Vulcan Memes spreading further BS when you may actually known people on the front lines or who have been killed or harmed in this war already.
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  7. What if those films were actually deception and half truths and Mr. Stone is providing cover for Putin rather than being able to discuss his actions honestly. Judging from this interview Mr. Stone's awareness or integrity are not in a good place.
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  8. Best of luck to your nation and I hope Ukraine succeeds. Thank you for being willing to sit through some deceptions being spread about Ukraine at what is a striking time to do so. My suspicions are that Mr. Stone has had sympathies with Putin for years and now it is Mr. Stone who is unable to tell the truth about what is going on.
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  9.  @auag8115  In this situation the USA is trying to help a democracy (Ukraine) defend itself from a neighbor state whose ruler (Putin) is probably attacking because he is worried his own people (Russians) will realize the elections are more honest in Ukraine than Russia.
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  10. Yeah, it wasn't until this war started I looked up some of Oliver Stone's earlier work on Ukraine and lost even more respect for him. I suspect what happened is Oliver Stone made his sympathies set for Putin years ago and no is himself in a position where he cannot talk honestly about him now because it would mean acknowledging just how wrong he was earlier.
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  11. Yes. Or he already decided to make his own propaganda film sympathetic to Putin and is worried he cannot turn back on the deception he has already started to engage in. When he criticized Europeans for supposedly not being able to tell the truth I started asking how much of that is just Oliver Stone projecting his own inner feelings on to others.
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  12. Agreed. I think there is something to that or at the very least it is worth thinking about. Hearing his comments in this video made me suspect Mr. Stone was engaging in deflection or projection during this discussion.
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  13. I would not accuse Lex of that. He is doing an interview and letting his guest speak.. even if that particular guest is being dishonest or projecting his own falsehoods on to others.
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  14. Pretty sure I just saw a guy encourage people to be sheep by overlooking war crimes in Bucha. I didn't realize Oliver Stone could cause my respect for him to drop so quickly. But the drop is deserved.
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  15. Oliver Stone has been a Putin shill for some years. Though I was surprised that Stone would go so far as to try to cover for or excuse Russian war crimes in Bucha (he tried to do this my dishonestly claiming Ukraine is doing the same right now when the evidence is not currently showing that). Of course he also dodged the real reason Putin probably invaded Ukraine. Putin was likely worried that at some point Russians may realize elections are more honest in Ukraine than they are in Russia.
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  16. That would've been a good question. I may have stopped Oliver Stone from pushing distortions or covering for Putin for a second.. or he may have tried to blame Navalny for the assassination attempt against him.
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  17. My sympathy for you and those who have had to live (or been killed by) this invasion. I don't know your thoughts or even Mr. Stone's on Putin but my suspicions is Mr. Stone has been so sympathetic to Mr. Putin in the past he cannot find a way to admit he made a mistake and turn away from him-his supposed criticism of Putin involved a lot of trying to provide cover for Putin by claiming that Ukrainians supposedly did the same when we aren't seeing that right now.
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  18. I suspect Mr. Stone allowed his anti-NATO feelings to lull himself into a sympathy for or alliance with Putin to the point that now Mr. Stone cannot bring himself to speak honestly about Putin. This may make it very ironic that Mr. Stone criticized European leaders for supposedly not being able to speak their minds. A word often used for it is "projection".
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  19.  @MandalayMoore33  I had not followed OS's past, but now I know and am not impressed with it.
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  20.  @mercster  Apologies for not getting back to you sooner. I've had other things going on to pay attention to. Anyway I've been paying attention to a number of things over the years including being lucky enough to speak with an older Russian guy some years ago. One of the things he told me, though I didn't understand it as well at the time, is that Putin is bringing "the fear" back. My somewhat loose understanding of that is that the Soviet Union operated partly on fear. This relates to that the primary goal of the KGB wasn't to spy on other nations (like the CIA does in the USA and spy agencies do in other nations) but to keep the internal population spied on and suppressed. More to this specific interview I believe Oliver Stone repeated some claims made by Russia that have already been debunked. I'll have to rewatch it to double check which ones in specific but it struck me that he was basically trying to downplay Russian atrocities in this war by blaming Ukraine and saying Ukraine did it without referring to much in the way of specific events (likely because they didn't exist). And one of the few times he did refer to a specific event I believe it was a person who was arrested and exchanged to Russia after the current war began. That is not a sign Ukraine was doing terrible things that stirred up this war. It reminds me of how North Korea claims the US started the Korean war in spite of the fact that early on the North Korean army made rapid advances into South Korea and it was only after US and UN reinforcements came in that North Korean forces pulled back from South Korea. Rather odd that a supposedly "defensive" war starts with North Korea's military pushing as far as it could go into South Korea. Now I don't speak Russian so it is possible every translator that is quoting Putin or Russian internal propaganda is lying and I'm not catching it but so far we've seen Putin claim that Ukraine doesn't have a right to exist at the start of this war (indicating he planned on wiping it out), a Russian MP saying the idea of Ukraine being an independent nation is "alien", and one of the internal propagandists declaring they would simply "take" what they felt like.
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  21. If it is the only thing you can like about him from this interview then you are intelligent enough to recognize it.
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  22. This could be strong evidence that your gut is about the least trustworthy source of info you have access to and that you may be better off not trusting it again.
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  23. I wonder if Oliver Stone was engaging in some heavy duty projection when he talked about Europeans supposedly not being able to speak honestly about this situation. I suspect Oliver Stone is finding himself unable to be honest about Putin.
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  24. Have a link to any youtube reports on this? (That aren't run by Putin or Assad?) Right now your claims strike me as more propaganda for Putin than anything else.
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  25. I think Mr. Stone spent some of this interview trying to cover for Putin rather than talk about him honestly. I suspect Mr. Stone made his alliance with or sympathies for Putin years ago and now feels too attached to Putin to be honest about him now. The reference to Bucha put me off because that was Mr. Stone trying to cover for a warcrime by claiming Ukrainians would do it without providing much in the way of evidence. How much of this interview was Mr. Stone engaging in deflection or projection?
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  26. Oliver Stone's views were worse than outdated. He actually tried to cover for or excuse Russian warcrimes in Bucha but dishonestly claiming the Ukrainians are doing the same.
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  27.  @-xirx-  That is because you, rightfully on your part, expected more of him as you may expect more from most people.
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  28.  @user-oi4bj4cv7u  I see little pictures but no arguments or actual points. That tells me you have none that are worthwhile.
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  29. Yes. I was surprised some of the lies went so far as to try to cover for or excuse war crimes such as in Bucha.
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  30. Maybe Putin has something on him or maybe Oliver Stone has let his sympathies for Putin get so strong that Oliver Stone is no longer able to be honest about Putin.
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  31. His mind may work, it is just his soul and integrity that are gone. I was surprised to see Oliver Stone go so low as to try to cover for or try to excuse the war crimes in Bucha.
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  32. Russia under Putin has already been lying about Global Warming for the last several years. So I don't see how being sympathetic to Putin now as his forces have been committing war crimes in neighboring nations is actually going to help deal with environmental dangers.
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  33. It arguably has more truth since the current King of England could correctly be called old even if he isn't really a dinosaur.
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  34. Good for you on being helpful to others who could use help. And you are correct to question if this was a balanced interview.
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  35. Stone has had sympathies for Putin for years. Sadly I think it is Oliver Stone who currently finds himself unable to tell the truth about the situation.
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  36. Interesting claim. Though even if true (and I have not seen evidence it is likely to be yet) it still begs the question of how does one invade what is part of its own self. Crimea is still technically Ukrainian territory and Russia lied about the referendum results so it is not like Russia's claims to hold on to it are good or honest ones.
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  37. It is pretty clear Putin is not someone to be trusted. I suspect Mr. Gray has missed (purposefully?) some of Putin's comments during the current war.
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  38. He may not have believed Oliver Stone's lies and distortions but felt Oliver Stone should be allowed to say them. Meanwhile Putin and his gang are looting Russia and committing war crimes in Ukraine.
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  39. I felt like I was watching an interview with someone too scared to tell the truth because he has already engaged in turning part of his life into a lie and know doesn't know who to turn to the truth.
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  40.  @hello-mynameis  I actually forgot because I'd watched this video over a week ago. I started to rewatch it where it related to Ukraine and noticed very heavy distortions when he discusses European reactions to Putin's Russia trying to invade Ukraine. He claims that Europeans supposedly were too scared to say what they really think and that it is US power (in that the US is supposedly pushing this) that is getting non-NATO nations to try to join and NATO nations to increase military spending. That is nonsensical. It isn't that Europeans saw the US invasion of Iraq under W as a time when they could speak and somehow not recently but that Europeans saw Putin's actions as immoral and threatening their to own long term safety. When Trump-a US President-visited parts of Europe plenty of Europeans felt free to show up and protest. That was just a few years ago so there has been no shutting down of Europeans ability to speak since W was President. Oliver Stone is trying to dodge admitting that Putins actions are very unpopular in Europe and properly so. Also when Oliver Stone even contradicts himself by claiming being in NATO required other nations to join in US wars when many NATO members did not join W's invasion of Iraq. Plus when he complained about US nukes supposedly being put in other nations' territory he ignores that generally they are not and that France in particular has its own nuclear weapons program that is separate from the USA. One more thing if the USA and allies were supposedly "ready" for Putin's invasion as Oliver Stone claimed and this was just a big trap for Russia around minute 58 then why is it now-in February of 2023 that that US and most NATO members with "modern" tanks are getting around to sending them when Putin invaded in February of 2022? That really doesn't make much sense.
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  41. Its already been explained. Sun light hits the Earth and CO2 keeps more of the heat here than drifting off into space which is very very cold. There has been declining opposition to nuclear power for the last several years despite the problems that have happened such as Japanese nuclear regulations not being that strong.
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  42. I find it odd for people to complain about the "war machine" supposedly of NATO when it is not NATO but Putin attempting to invade another nation (Ukraine).
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  43. And thus allow Oliver Stone to prove he not a great man. How many times did Oliver Stone complain about others supposedly not being able to tell the truth when Stone himself was not.
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  44. I wonder of Putin gave Oliver Stone a bunch of money when he needed it or if Oliver Stone simply decided years ago he would sympathize with Putin and now finds himself unable to tell the truth about Putin.
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  45. Perhaps. Or maybe Oliver Stone got money from Putin. Filmmaking can get expensive and Putin and his gang have stolen a lot of money from Russia so someone with as low integrity as Oliver Stone has displayed in this interview may have decided he was willing to do propaganda in exchange for cash. Or maybe Stone has gone so far with his sympathies for Putin already that he simply cannot tell the truth about Putin today-thus his remarks about Europeans was really Oliver Stone projecting about his own situation.
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  46. That inaccurately assumes Oliver Stone is authentic. I saw this discussion and wondered how much projection Mr. Stone was engaging in.
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  47. He probably knowns Putin appreciates it more if he is willing to lie to people outside of Russia rather than inside. Putin already has people lying to Russians inside Russia.
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  48. Not a challenging interview but at least I can judge Oliver Stone by his own words today and let my respect for him drop based on being informed (including on how low he is willing to sink to excuse Putin).
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  49. I would lean towards cowardice since Oliver Stone has shown Putin sympathies for years and being honest about the horrible things Putin is doing now could probably involve admitting how wrong he was to promote Putin in the past.
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