Comments by "Tony Wilson" (@tonywilson4713) on "The Majority Report w/ Sam Seder"
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AUSTRALIAN here, with an outsiders perspective/observation on American Libertarians and why it matters.*
They are always howling about Freedom, Liberty and the Slippery Slope to Authoritarianism when in fact they are only ever talking about THEIR Freedoms, THEIR Liberties and THEIR RIGHT to throw everyone else over the cliff of Authoritarianism.
My way of describing them is a simple way is: "Libertarians demand the Liberty to strip other's of their Liberties"
And so you all know - I went to college in America (late 80s) and even back then you could see that the American population (in general) was unaware of the threat the Libertarians were. One of the Koch brothers ran on the Libertarian ticket (as a potential VP) AGAINST Reagan claiming Reagan wasn't going far enough. I did engineering NOT poly-sci with no real interest in American politics BUT EVEN BACK THEN it was obvious how much of a future threat these people were. FURTHER, there are several Australian Libertarian Think Tanks (e.g. The Institute of Public Affairs) whose power and influence is growing through the support of American Libertarian Think Tanks.
As to why American politics matters now (in 2024).
1) I care about America and have a lot of good friends there.
2) American is still Australia's most important trading and security partner. Simply put Australia cannot afford to America fail and in that Canada, Mexico, Japan, South Korea, Britain and a few other can't either.
3) America is still about 25% of the worlds economy and if it gets messed up by these clowns then the whole world suffers the consequences BECAUSE the US Dollar ($USD) is still the World's reserve currency and most of our international trade is either done in $USD or the currency conversions involve $USD or are backed by $USD. So if these clowns DESTABILIZE the $USD by being stupid (which they are), then its really bad for the other 7.6 Billion people on the planet. All international trade goes away. Its even bad for pariah countries like Iran, Russia and North Korea because even they do business in $USD.
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Australia here: What you are describing is the HISTORICAL attitude of and excuses made by people here for most of the last 200 years (since white settlement) and I dare say for many other nations. I was in Canada a couple of years ago and the similarities with Australia were stark. New Zealand is similar to Australia as we were both settled by Europeans around the same time and have had similar issues.
Like many other societies were are trying to move on and repair the damage done, but just as other places we to have these types of conservative (or regressive) people who just won't see that the rest of us are moving on. In general these are people who of whatever reason are afraid of change and it really is fear. Some are afraid of losing power (political or otherwise) and others just change itself, while for some it is an ideological issue.
What is in Australia's, Canada's and New Zealand's favor is that we have at least started down the path to reconciling our past and not too many countries can say similar. Maybe we have a slight advantage in that our colonial history is more recent in terms of time scales as it only goes back around 200 to 300 years (a bit longer for Canada).
For many others they have a lot more history to reconcile. We sometimes forget that the Jews, Egyptians, Persians, Arabs, Turks, Greeks, Romans,.... etc have complicated histories going back at least 3,500 years (1,500 BCE) and in some cases much longer. If you don't know the references recently made regarding Amalek by certain Israelis references events in the Eleventh Century BCE (which is over 3,000 years ago).
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AUSTRALAIN HERE: How the F⋃CK are we or Canada, Mexico, Britain, Europe, Japan, South Korea,..... OR ANYONE ELSE supposed to have faith in America as a reliable partner in trade or security when your Supreme Court is out of control?
Considering agreements like AUKUS which we are spending several hundred billion on or any of the other treaties that other nations have. How do you expect us to respond?
You just had Julian Assange held in custody for 5 years because he disclosed American troops committing war crimes.
You have had dozens of other people taken from OTHER COUNTRIES transported across international borders and held at Guantanamo Bay a location the rightful owner (The nation of Cuba) has told you to leave. Many of those people are (years later) still to be charged with any crime. MEANWHILE the commanders who oversaw torture and murder at places like Abu Ghraib and Bagram AFB have never been charged with anything while the soldiers underneath them who followed their orders have served lengthy jail sentences.
The whole world watched Donald Trump tell a crowd of people (that he invited to Washington) to "Go down there and stop the steal!" We all saw him send his mob to attack the capital. In any other country he would have been arrested that day and NOT given the slightest leniency. In most countries he would have already faced trial, been convicted and sentenced. In some countries like Saudi Arabia, Iran, North Korea,.... he would already have been executed.
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AUSTRALIAN HERE: Sorry for the length of this comment.
YES - we sadly have these types here too, but please note he is basically saying EXACTLY the same sort of nonsense that Larry Summers told Jon Stewart a few months ago and EXACTLY the same thing the new head of the Reserve Bank of Australia (our equivalent of the US Federal Treasury) Michelle Bullock also said her first day in the job, which is we need to RAISE the unemployment rate to counter to inflation.
YES - we also know that inflation is being driven by supply chain issues, but just like all over the developed world economists and business leaders like Tim Gurner, Larry Summers and others DO NOT WANT TO ADMIT that the economic policies they pushed for the last 40 years (like off shoring production) lead to this situation.
YES - Australia runs very similar economic policies to America because America got very good at exporting its ideas and this is most evident in economics. I'm actually an engineer and have been informally studying economics for a couple of years so that I can make better arguments regarding project management decisions. One of the things I have found is that Chicago School Neoliberal Economics has become the core of all economics curriculums across the developed world. Even at universities that teach some alternative ideas (like MMT). They have at the core of their curriculum Neoliberal Market Fundamentalism and its narratives that government is incompetent, that unregulated markets are the best decision making processes, outsourcing is brilliant, privatisation is best practice and consultants need to run governments rather than governments governing their nations.
In various countries these issues manifest in different ways but they all come from the same school of ideas which is America's robber baron based Libertarian movement. NOTE - Chicago School is a reference to the University of Chicago where James McKinsey, Milton Friedman, Friedrich Hayek, Ronald Coase and others all taught. That university was in part founded by John D Rockefeller the biggest of America's robber barons and an ardent Libertarian.
YES - America does export things and among them some of the WORST ideas in human history. Right now in Australia our major issue is consultants who have cost us over AU$20 Billion in fees that we know of and badly messed up our government institutions as they have done it. At the core of the current scandal is PwC who while advising our tax office on closing corporate loop holes were selling that information to their corporate clients so they could avoid tax by other means.
Basically we are looking at the Australian equivalent of a RICO case against PwC. So far the enquiries into the consulting industry have heard of endemic fraud among the major players including KPMG, Deloitte and EY. McKinsey and Boston Group have so far avoided allegations.
SO YOU ALL KNOW - property developers like Tim Gurner are considered among the lowest life forms we have in Australia. When driving a car we might swerve to avoid a snake but always plant the right foot for a property developer. We've had so many scandals in this industry news reports of "another property developer goes bust" are a cultural cliché. They all operate on business models that would make America's Sackler family (Purdue Pharma) proud and just like America is yet to reign in the Sackler's, Australia is also yet to reign in the property developers despite all the things they've done.
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Fun fact Ted Cruz, Ron De Sanctimonious, Barrack Obama, Bill Clinton, Hilary Clinton, Josh Hawley, Vivek Ramaswamy, Ben Shapiro and a whole bunch of others are Harvard, Yale, Princeton,... LAWYERS.
Plus on SCOTUS there's 4 Harvard and 4 Yale trained lawyers who are mostly their because of the Federalists Society which was formed by Harvard, Yale and U. Chicago students.
Americans need to realise that America is run by a club of Ivy League brats.
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Great Comment.
I'm an Australian engineer who went to college in America (late 80s).
A couple of years ago I started informally studying economics out of the frustration of the interference in projects by clowns waving economics degrees.
What you are describing is yet more symptoms of neoliberal economics. One of the core beliefs of neoliberals is that Government SHOULD DO as LITTLE AS POSSIBLE because the private sector does everything better. At the ideologic level its more libertarian than liberal (and yes there's a difference). Liberals believe freedom isn't absolute and security and safety comes from having limits (laws, rules, codes, regulations,...). Libertarians believe that government should do nothing but protect their property and their interests. its an incredibly narrow minded and narcissistic view of the world.
One of the main reasons I started looking into economics was because Australia like many other nations really wasn't doing anything regarding energy infrastructure. Its like they are all waiting for someone from the private sector to do it for them. This is standard neoliberal economics in reality. "The government should do nothing and let the market decide what to do." The problem is that if there isn't a business case or the private sector can get better returns elsewhere then NOTHING HAPPENS. Its not just an energy thing it happens to all forms of infrastructure just like you describe.
Another aspect of what you describe is the idea that everything has to act like a business and make money. This is another of the idiotic fallacies of neoliberal economics. Its really obvious in Universities. In the 1990s they were told they had to "be more business like." Yeah fine a way to hear that is WE (the university) need to mange our money better and where possible have some form of ownership over IP so that the money generated helps fund the University. Great but its really easy to lose sight of the fact the PRINCIPLE TASK of a university like all forms of education is to EDUCATE the next generation so that they have the skills to keep a society functioning.
By the same account government departments (no matter if they are local, sate or federal) have as their PRINCIPLE TASK the job of providing the necessary services to the community, state or nation that are required to keep it functioning. There is this idiotic concept among neoliberals that EVERYTHING HAS to be run as if its a "for profit" business. The problem is there is no business model that works long term for some of these basic services that any and every society needs. For some things there is no viable business model in neoliberal economics. Things like education, roads, communication services, health care services,....
The problem is you can't explain it to the professors in their ivory towers or to the super wealthy in their marble castles.
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@dthomas9230 Yeah I have been informally studying economics for a couple of years. Mainly listening to a lot of lectures, book talks and discussions here on YT. I'm an engineer and simply wanted to learn how to speak to economists. You see - we get a lot of interference in engineering from people waving economics degrees.
Any how - one of the recurrent themes (or memes) of neoliberalism (Reaganomics, Thatcherism,...) is unfunded tax cuts. These are tax cuts that are not matched by equivalent reductions in government spending or increases in other taxes. Famously the son of Reagans VP - Dubya gave tax cuts at the same time he started a war and people told him it takes REAL MONEY to fight a war. Yeah it didn't work out well.
One of the great fallacies of neoliberalism is the concept of trickle down economics. Its basically where they give massive tax cuts to the top 10% who then invest that money into industry and thus create jobs. Those newly employed people then pay tax making up for the tax cuts given to the wealthy.
It sounds simple and even might be considered logical. EXCEPT ITS NEVER WORKED and every time its been tried it lead to unsustainable government debt THEN a depression AND THEN a war or revolution.
Its because of one very simple fact.
Wealthy people DO NOT invest in economic growth they invest in profit growth. As Milton Friedman said "There is one and only one social responsibility of business—to use its resources and engage in activities designed to increase its profits..." Governments are the opposite. They invest (with some exceptions) in social growth - education, infrastructure, power stations, new technologies,...
Its a distinction that to my engineering brain is obvious but I have NOT SEEN 1 economist voice that distinction. This is why there's the growing wealth gap, soaring energy prices, soaring food prices, soaring education costs,.... and on top of all that heaps of social unrest. All the neoliberal economists are trying it shut down government functionality when in fact they actually need government functionality because it feeds them resources like a trained, healthy, productive workforce who aren't wanting to hang the CEO.
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The problem with these discussions is that EVERYONE involved is presenting opinion as fact, its just some are not twisting the facts. Joe Rogan , Rogan's guests, Sam Seder, Emma Vigeland and all the rest of the OPINION BASED MEDIA are all PARTS of the overall problem with emphasis on the word PARTS because there is not 1 single part to this. There are multiples of multiples of parts to this issue of opinion first facts second media.
Sorry if this looks like an essay.
I've seen that Bezmenov video numerous times and versions of it are posted on some of the most repulsive radical channels who think they are clever posting something they think is about "people people" when its actually ABOUT THEM TOO. This is Rogan's monster mistake in mentioning Yuri Bezmenov (see below). Its also Sam and Emma's problem because as another part of the opinion based media they are also part of the problem. They just aren't as much of a problem as Joe Rogan because at least they are trying to BALANCE or COUNTER BALANCE the misinformation and at least try and present facts rather than fiction. Where they are part of the problem is they cater to a specific section of society and that's one of the main issues with people like Joe Rogan, Alex Jones, Fox News, etc.
All these outlets target their audience with some consistent themes and rarely ever present anything that might aggravate or turn off their audience. In the case of this channel think about how many "How dumb is Dave Rubin?" or "How narcissistic is Ben Shapiro?" or "How much of a maniac is Tim Pool or Steven Crowder?" video's do they post?
All these channels no matter how much they care about telling people TRUTH what they are actually telling people is THEIR OPINION of what is truth. Its just that some of them back up their opinions with facts that can be checked and verified as fact. Case in point the "Twitter files."
YURI BEZMONOV
For those who haven't heard who he is, go check Wikipedia for more details, but basically he claimed he was a KGB agent who defected to the west in 1970 and settled in Canada. He was later fired form his job with the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation by Justin Trudeau's father Pierre on a request from the Soviet Ambassador at the time. That's another interesting point on free speech.
He wrote several books and Essays using the alias Tomas David Schumann and on Wikipedia there are links to several of those works.
In 1984 he did, what is now a famous interview which (with some hunting) you can watch here on YouTube. There are also shorter excerpts posted on various channels here on YouTube several of which SOME are fairly radical Right Wing channels who think they are highlighting the problem, but failing to realise they are a major part of the problem.
The most relevant part of that Bezmenov video was where he describes the aim of what he calls "ideological subversion." In Bezmenov's own words (punctuation mine) "What do they mean by ideological subversion is. Is the slow process which we call either ideological subversion or active measures. Active in the language of the KGB or psychological warfare. What it basically means is to change the perception of reality of every American to such an extent that despite of the abundance of information no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interests of defending themselves, their families, their community and their country."
Bezmonov was 100% RIGHT in that societies can (over time) be demoralised to the point where they cannot discern fact from fiction. Bezmenov was also 100% WRONG on the effectiveness of the Soviet efforts because as we know less than a decade later the Soviet Empire had collapsed NOT America. That's actually a great lesson for any nation. Sometimes the external enemy is less of a threat than your own political system. That should be the lesson Western Nations should have learned from but never did. We were to happy watching the Soviets collapse and declaring we'd won the Cold War. Instead we ignored the lesson and are now where we are.
FYI - I'm Australian and we haven't learned form this either. Despite our sunny outlook and beautiful beaches we have some very serious structural issues that have similarities with other issues across the rest of the Western World. Jonathan Haidt was credited with saying, "There's a cacophony where the Radical Left and Radical Right just scream at each other while the rest of us, trapped in the middle, are simply exhausted." That explains so many of our issues and why they persist. Instead of solving problems we just yell at each other about them.
Its that exhaustion that leads people to listen to people like Joe Rogan and Sam Seder without thinking or checking and just taking their words at face value. It makes manipulation of truth very easy.
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I'm a Victorian living in Queensland and WA did the right thing. The rest of Australia pretty much did the right thing and it save lives and there's been a staggering number of LIES told before during and since.
In Early 2024 Gigi Foster the infamous economics professor who said (early in the pandemic) that we should do the Swedish thing because the elderly and inform would die anyway said on ABC QandA "At best Australia's lockdown saved 10,000 lives."
Now there's a few things about that.
FIRST - Gigi is NOT a never has been a health care expert and her claim to "just let them die" was met with scorn by other professors at her university the UNSW.
SECOND - Simply saying to let 10,000 people die is sociopathic and a sign of mental illness.
THIRD - AFTER Australia dropped its restrictions due (in part) to pressure from economists like Gigi Australia's death toll from COVID jumped from ~10,000 to over 20,000.
FOURTH - She LIED about the number 10,000. Because I had gone to university in America I was watching the numbers closely via a website that had the entire World's official data. I'd heard Gigi and others make multiple claims about how we should be like Sweden. I knew the Swedish data and how their numbers were double or triple the other Nordic countries (Norway, Finland, Denmark). I also knew Sweden's numbers were much worse than Australia. At the time Gigi claimed it only saved 10,000 (at best) had we taken her advice and done the Swedish thing and based on the Swedish result we would not have had 20,000 dead but over 70,000. How she got away with that lie was she used the average fatality rate for the World NOT the fatality rate for Sweden.
Neither Gigi Foster or any of the other LIARS like Russel Brand have ever been called out for their lies or held accountable for their actions in stirring up trouble that did result in lives being lost.
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@maxpowers123 I'm SORRY I didn't realise we were including IGNORANT M0R0NS today.
So let me explain some things.
FIRST - I am an aerospace engineer and during my final semester we had a guest lecturer one Friday who worked for NASA and had just completed a study for NASA on the what it would take to terraform Mars. He told us some blunt truths that aren't in the science fiction books.
This is one of the basics - How much air would you need for a 1km thick Earth Compatible atmosphere?
The surface of Mars is 144,370,000 km² and that means the volume of a 1km thick layer of air has a volume very close to 144,370,000 km³. For a planet its within 1%.
A cubic meter of standard Earth air weighs 1.2kg. and there's 1,000,000,000m³ in each 1 km³
In metric tons that 1,200,000 tons of air per km³ and you need 144,370,000 of them.
So when you can explain where Elon is going to find 173 TRILLION TONS of air then you might be considered something other than a M0R0N.
AND THAT'S BEFORE we work out how to hold that much air to a planet with only 1/9th the mass of Earth.
AND THAT'S BEFORE Elon magically explains how they will make any of the basic cycles start working. Like a water cycle, an oxygen cycle, a nitrogen cycle and a carbon dioxide cycle.
AND THEN THERE'S that slight problem that Mars doesn't have a magnetic field strong enough to stop the sun stripping away that atmosphere. So you also need to spin up the molten core of the planet.
Now if you'd like I can also explain why Jeff Bezos is also full of SHlT for his claims about space industries.
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@brandonrathbone3690 Don't you mean thanks, Obama, Bush V2, Clinton, Bush V1, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon,...... and the rest of the goon brigade who have made America the mess that it is.
And lets NOT forget the GREATEST liar of them all DONALD J TRUMP,
who's also now a
CONVICTED FELON.
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Australian with an outside view:
In 2020 74,223,975 people voted for Trump and in 2024 73,407,934 voted for Trump ALMOST 1 million FEWER
In 2020 81,283,501 people voted for Biden and in 2024 69,076,028 voted for Harris OVER 12 million FEWER.
This is the opposite to what's been happening in American elections over the last few cycles.
2000 105,421,423
2004 122,295,345
2008 131,313,820
2012 129,085,410
2016 136,669,276
2020 158,429,631
2024 142,380,403
Except for 2012 when there was a slight decrease American elections have been getting larger and larger turnouts which should NOT be surprising because America's population has been steadily growing from the 282 million in 2000 to the current 335 million.
The TRUE RESULT of this election is that almost 16 million Americans saying "we don't care anymore" which is part of the general feeling across the entire developed world that NOTHING CHANGES no matter who we vote for.
Go and look up a 2022 Congressional Budget Office on Family Wealth. I have checked the Australian data and British Economist Gary Stevenson describes how Britain is eerily similar. The very first graph shows how the Bottom 50% of the developed world have gone NOWHERE for around 40 years. Other Data like Branko Milanović's famous elephant graph show how wage stagnation for the bulk of the developed world has caused this. There's just no way for most of the developed world to change their lives for the better.
This is what Milton Freidman and the Chicago School Economists gave the world via Reaganomics, Thatcherism, Australia's Economic Rationalism and what we now generally call Neoliberal Economics. CENTRAL to Milton Friedman's ideology was that governments are good for nothing and expressed eloquently by Ronald Reagan's famous "Government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem."
So Governments around the World started to privatise, de-regulate and hand control of their central banks to the ECONOMISTS. These days most policies are written by Think Tanks and managed by consultants most of whom are ECONOMISTS or MBAs with economic training or Lawyers with economic training.
In the PBS Documentary "The Untouchables" about the 2008 GFC (which can be seen here on YT) Former United States Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer (around 50 minutes in) describes how ECONOMIC EFFECTS are a consideration in criminal cases. That's why none of the executives were ever charged.
SO THIS BEGS THE QUESTION: Why vote at all, when the government can't get anything done because ECONOMISTS have re-wired how government works and no matter what "We the people vote for" nothing changes?
FYI - We have our next Australian Federal Election next year and I fear that the same clown brained campaign strategists who helped fabricate this disaster in America will be here doing the same thing.
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