Comments by "Tony Wilson" (@tonywilson4713) on "Bret Weinstein HUMILIATED On His Own Podcast" video.

@mrblonde1264 There's a great short doco by DW news on Gain of Function and they don't go into conclusions they just explain what is verifiable. Half the problem with trying to discuss this as well as dozens of other topics are the insane levels of tribal bias that's going on. It doesn't matter how rational one side is being the other side immediately takes the 100% opposite side and starts screaming as loud as they can. I just had that on another subject on another video. I'm an aerospace engineer and the topic was small VERTICAL axis wind turbines (VAWTS). For 95% of all wind applications a Horizontal Axis Wind Turbine (HAWT) wins because of better aerodynamic efficiency. But there's a few places you just can't put them because of how they work They need room to rotate. If they are small they can make a lot of noise, which might be fine in some places but not others like the roof of your house. Either you'd go nuts or your neighbor will want rip it off the roof. I see it almost constantly in engineering these days. People get attached to some technology and it suddenly becomes THE MAGIC SUPER TECH that will save humanity and anyone who questions it gets screamed at.
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As I just said in another thread, its a very sad downfall. At times during the whole COVID issues he was a voice of balance asking valid questions particularly on the lab leak. But then he just started sliding into nonsense and anyone who questioned his position was a an enemy. This is one of the big problems when we have issues like COVID. Everyone needs to be prepared to accept they can be wrong when nobody has the full picture. But we now live in such a polarised time where any and every public discussion is immediately dragged into radical positions where proponents just scream at anyone who disagrees with them. A lot of public issues are complex and there is no simple answer and there is no simple fix. So long as public discussion is tribalized or hijacked by bad faith actors there is no chance of finding solutions.
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Its a very sad downfall. At times during the whole COVID issues he was a voice of balance asking valid questions particularly on the lab leak. But then he just started sliding into nonsense and anyone who questioned his position was a an enemy. This is one of the big problems when we have issues like COVID. Everyone needs to be prepared to accept they can be wrong when nobody has the full picture. But we now live in such a polarised time where any and every public discussion is immediately dragged into radical positions where proponents just scream at anyone who disagrees with them. A lot of public issues are complex and there is no simple answer and there is no simple fix. So long as public discussion is tribalized or hijacked by bad faith actors there is no chance of finding solutions.
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@mrblonde1264 one of the biggest problems is that too often we can't even agree on basic facts. I can't express fully how frustrating it is to be an engineer right now. Engineering is pretty damn straight forward. Stuff works or it doesn't. Its maintained properly or it breaks down. Some things are great in some circumstances and lousy in others. But with social media there's so much BS being pumped out its almost a full time job explaining to M0R0NS what is and isn't possible. I am beginning to think the worst mistake engineers ever made was working out how to let non-engineers use computers. Its created the mass delusion that because people can use a computer they are also technically qualified.
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@HalfBackCrack Why DK-HED? At one point he made sense, but now he's being a M0R0N. What part of that can't you understand? If there's something you disagree with then say what it is or YOU are being just as damn stupid as he's become.
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@elsagrace3893 Good summary I just think its sad where has is now. He's not the only one either. Just the other day a vid popped up with Neil Oliver the Scottish historian. I've seen his history documentaries in the past and they were fantastic. So I was quite positive when I clicked the link. OMGGGGGG has he lost his nut. He's on this channel called GB News spouting of the rails Trumpian psycho anti-government Qanon conspiracy freak nonsense. Brett Weinstein sounds sensible, reasonable, thoughtful and rational compared to Neil Oliver. I was stunned at his demise.
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@brunonkowalski Yeah I know he was right about the lab leak and that he was one of the first to put the pieces together on that, but that doesn't change the fact that he's lost his mind on the conspiracy nonsense. I actually regard it as a bit of shame he's lost his mind on that stuff but he's not alone there. Neil Oliver the Scottish historian who did some awesome documentary series is another person who lost their mind down the conspiracy rabbit hole. The saddest part of the whole Qanon style conspiracy stuff is that they aren't that far from the truth. Big Pharma, Big Banks, Big oil and the Military Industrial Complex not only exist but they have way too much influence over our governments. BUT the whole Qanon psycho blood drinking child sacrifice, 5G and COVID was deliberately released stuff is just nonsense.
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@brunonkowalski I never said Brett Weinstein said anything about 5G or blood drinking. That was in reference to the conspiracy community in general. THAT'S YOU TAKING THINGS OUT OF CONTEXT AND MAKING SHIT UP. LEARN TO READ
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@brunonkowalski AT NO POINT DID I SAY THAT BREET WEINSTEIN IS SPREADING QANON. This is what I said and NOTICE the word after QANON. "The saddest part of the whole Qanon style conspiracy stuff is that they aren't that far from the truth" TRY READING AND COMPREHENSION IN FUTURE
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@brunonkowalski NO IT DID NOT YOU MADE THAT CONNECTION all by yourself. You need to be more careful with your assumptions it "makes an ass out of you and umption." By they way that's a quote from the Long Kiss Goodnight in case you want to make any more IGN0RANT assumptions.
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@NYCBigBull Yes and No. Its like so much of the entire COVID thing. Its so damn complex that everyone has somethings right an somethings wrong. Its why its so damn hard to say anything that's clear cut. ESPECIALLY once the politics gets into it. I'm an engineer and I find the whole change in definition issue to be incredibly egregious because in any area of science and technology you have to be incredibly clear to everyone when you change or adjust a definition or people get confused. I really can't stress how important that is. I can't say for certain but I think it was done to deliberately confuse people outside the pathogen research establishment to make oversight difficult. I have been in research and although most researchers are decent and honest some just aren't making it no different than any other profession. Bret Weinstein has been right about some things but then also horribly wrong about other things AND with the politics shoving people like him into a box its made it impossible to have a sensible discussion. David Pakman interviewed Vincent Racaniello who's incredibly well credentialled and 90% of what he said was 100% right. But right near the end of that interview he claimed that the Chinese weren't even working on the COVID-19 virus. I knew instantly that he had LIED because I was already aware that people had found the database records that showed Peter Daszak had delivered a bat known to host the COVID-19 virus from Laos to the lab in Wuhan. Its clear to me that there's a part of the pathogen research establishment who are more interested in protecting their funding and NOT having anyone check what they are up to. That's what DW were leading people to realise. Its what people like Alina Chan and others have been warning about.
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@NYCBigBull Here's why I think it was a lab leak. Sorry if its long. The first 5 points aren't conclusive and are circumstantial but they are also fairly indisputable. 1) There was a lack of oversight at the Wuhan Lab 2) There were researchers aggressively pursuing their research which is more common than you think. 3) We know they were working on lots of corona viruses that naturally host in bats because Wuhan was publishing. 4) The Wuhan lab was NOT suitable for handling an airborne pathogen like COVID-19. Alina Chan (MIT $& Harvard) has explained that. 5) That lab like any other was full of people in the 20s and 30s (post grads and post-docs) who are the most likely people to get COVID-19 and be asymptomatic. In other words they could walk out the door at any time showing no symptoms. These next 5 points might also be circumstantial but they are absolutely indisputable. What we can say for certain. 6) We know the Americans were funding a lot of programs there via the NIH through a company called EcoHealth Alliance run by Peter Daszak because there are the documents to prove it. 7) We know other international agencies were involved in Wuhan because the funding bodies are listed on some of the published papers. 8) It was NEVER a weapon because nobody publishes the data on weapons research and the Chinese wouldn't be doing it with international partners either. 9) We know they were adapting viruses to make the jump from their native hosts to humans because that's in the published papers. That's the sort of research that was dropped from the gain of function research definition I mentioned previously. 10) We know that mice and ferrets are both used as intermediate species to do the jump from the natural host to humans. That's covered in the DW doco. Here's what clinched it for me. Early in the pandemic the Danish mink industry put down millions of minks when COVID ran rampant through the mink farms. Go and google "Denmark ferrets COVID" If they were doing what's called passage research to modify a virus and used ferrets as the intermediary species then it makes sense that members of the ferret family would be highly susceptible to COVID and minks are in the ferret family. No where in the world was any other domestic animal - cats, dogs, pigs, sheep, goats, cows,.... terminated at any level due to COVID. The only animal culls for COVID were Danish Minks. What's the conclusion. The version of COVID that first arrived in Europe was ALREADY ADAPTED to ferrets. AND Why would a bat virus be adapted to an animal on the other side of the world unless it had already had contact with members of that animal family? Its all been there in plain sight for all the world to see for 3 years. I'm an engineer not a microbiologist and I can see that. Why can't anyone else including Bret Weinstein?
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