Comments by "Tony Wilson" (@tonywilson4713) on "David Pakman DESTROYS TRIGGERnometry with BAD FAITH u0026 SMEARS" video.

Its sad to say that David's acted in bad faith on this and I think its because you dented his American self superiority on a few points. Calling you guys right wing is utterly stupid on his behalf and he really should apologise. FYI - I'm Australian but went to college in America and Americans have a ridiculously skewed concept of what's right and left in politics. I did engineering but ended up in lots of political discussions surrounded by other university students as I was. Like most things American its NOT simple and my apologies for the longish answer. Due to being told for multiple generations that America is the Greatest Nation on Earth and now finding out that's NOT true. Remember they won 2 World Wars (just ask them) and have now lost or failed to win almost every conflict since. They've been humiliated in both Iraq and Afghanistan just as they were in Vietnam. They are having a hard time dealing with ANYONE from any other nation that challenges them intellectually and you guys pushed back hard and refused to concede some points. I don't think he's bad guy but I think he's acted in bad faith on this and does need to apologise. Further to trying to explain part of his reaction. Part of it comes from the very American centric education he's been brought up with. Typical of many Americans he has no real understanding of how the rest of the world views LEFT & RIGHT politics. One of his college Professors is noted teacher of Marxist Economics Richard Wolff. So David sees himself as very LEFTIST. The problem is America has no real LEFT and never did. It actually has 2 competing versions of right wing capitalism. Americans talk about left and right but they are more like opposite sides of the same coin. Like all coins no matter which way its up it still has the same value. There's American Liberalism which is based on the idea of a sound set of regulations so that everyone has a fair chance at making it rich. Then there's American Realism which is based on the concept that people are selfish and will do whatever they feel is in their best interests as in "I might as well forget rules and just do whatever makes me rich." Make no bones about it both sides of America consider being rich the #1 thing. The liberals just think they are doing it playing inside the rules they believe everyone should play by, while the realists don't care so long as they win.
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@michaelk.jensen1611 For starters try writing clear sentences. If you go over to David's channel here on YT he has a video titled "Progressive Double-Teamed by Right-Wingers, DISASTER" ->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_KO72BIfEU What's the disaster? There's actually no commentary by David or any of his people explaining anything about what was disastrous. What there is a 20 minute EDITED version of their discussion. If you go back a year David didn't do much click baiting, and I've been watching him for a couple of years. He's done some click baiting BUT that title is really bad as such with that title acting in bad faith. In the past he's done the occasional "it doesn't end well" title and some of those have nothing controversial, but then as far as click baiting goes David's a 1 out of 10 on a platform infested with 10 out of 10s. Do I think the guys at Triggernometry are completely innocent in this? NO - I think that whole discussion on transgender people in prison was handled badly by BOTH sides. They were BOTH trying to win points and make the other person "concede" something. It was a stupid stance by both of them because it SOLVED NOTHING. There is an idiotic behavior among some people that dictates they have to dominate others and score points. IT DOES NOTHING and IT SOLVES NOTHING. As I said I am an engineer and I see the same types of arguments between the pro-wind/solar people and the pro-nuclear people with respect to clean energy solutions. I'm tired of them. They cherry pick all sorts of information and come up with specific cases to make points that have no real basis for generating a solution. I'm tired of people making bad faith arguments or spinning arguments around in circles that SOLVE NOTHING. If you look at their transgender argument. Does David have a point that a 5'3" effeminate trans-male is likely to be brutalised in a male prison? YES, and we have only 1 other option so what do we do? Konstantin - no answer except denial. Did Konstantin have a valid point that only having that 1 other option is bad? YES, and did David conceded that only having 1 other option isn't acceptable? NO he just pushed the you must concede line. ALL BOTH of them wanted was to win a point without conceding anything. AND THEY SOLVED NOTHING. And while they continue this spat they will SOLVE NOTHNG.
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@michaelk.jensen1611 If your going to argue points do it clearly or wait until you get to a computer. Going to your top point here about the transgender argument there is an answer, but all both wanted to do was NOT CONCEDE anything to the other side AND THAT SOLVES NOTHING. I deal with these sorts of problems all the time as an engineer. No matter what anyone wants you mostly have to do with what's available. Best example ever was Apollo 13 and the CO2 filters. Nobody cared squat about what would be best. They had to make a filter with what they had or they died. That's the bit where Konstantin's I wont accept those options was idiotic bad faith and it really was idiotic bad faith. David's point: I have this prisoner. In Prison A they will be beaten, raped and possibly murdered. In Prison B they will be alive and safe. What do we do? Konstantin I don't accept those options as if he gets to make them. That's stupid and arrogant. David's insistence on getting a concession was just stupid. Then click baiting it as a disaster was childish at best idiotically stupid at worst BECAUSE IT SOLVED NOTHING. The correct resolution (and this is taught in any basic resolution class or exercise) is: Fine we need a 3rd option but that will take time. Between now and then do I put this person in Box A where they will die or in Box B where they will be safe until Box C is ready? That gets an agreeable answer with a future even more agreeable answer.
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