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@authenticshift5515 My motivation to question your integrity is very, very simple. NO ONE knows who you are or what your qualifications are or what hospitals you're talking about. You are clearly not qualified to be handing out medical advice that could get people hurt or killed. AND YOU have given away your motivation. You don't like big pharma. I don't like them either, they lie, they cheat they are disgusting in so many ways and no doubt they will find ways to profit from this disaster. Look at the Oxycontin disaster, which is arguably a crime against humanity that should be handled by the ICC, but we all know America's politicians wont let that happen. BUT YOU are clearly NOT medically qualified to be telling people what is or isn't true about adverse reactions. You have given no data and no references to studies. You have not clarified your actual job or qualifications. YOU HAVE JUST MADE A BULLSHIT CLAIM and if somebody uses that to justify their medical choice ITS ON YOU IF THEY GET HURT. Thanks to the anti-vaxers and their misinformation the world is again experiencing outbreaks of measles and hooping cough. Have they accepted ANY RESPONSABILITY for those deaths. I'll stick to listening to people with qualifications I can verify, not nameless unqualified clowns.
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Divine Truth1 For someone claiming divine truth you should at least START WITH FACTS. Vaccines DO NOT alter a persons genes, the provoke a response that teaches the immune system to recognize a particular virus or bacteria so that if we come into contact with the real thing our natural immune system knows how to respond. Get your basic science right.
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@authenticshift5515 I am NOT the person making claims YOU ARE and You are being called out for your claim. YOU SAID "I can attest that adverse reactions are massively underreported" What do you think that is other than a medical opinion? You made a claim that doctors are fabricating statistics and people might take that as a reason to not get vaccinated. That's called medical advice. YOU HAVE NOT given any evidence to anyone that your statement is in any way true or not. YOU HAVE NOT given any evidence that you are in anyway qualified to make that sort of claim. YOU still haven't said where you are from or anything else that should give anyone any assurance you are telling the truth. If you have any decency or honesty you will delete this entire conversation thread or at least edit your original statement and clarify where you have seen this fabrication of statistics and link a study or investigation report about it. Otherwise its just the idiotic opinion of a nameless clown.
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@4thetruth62 That's actually the sort of question people should be asking. A year ago when this was first breaking and politicians (not doctors) were doing the Hollywood thing of "we'll have a vaccine in a few weeks" one of Australia's foremost experts on vaccines Professor Nash who was on the papilloma virus vaccine team warned us it normally takes a decade and we needed to be more realistic. Since then we found out that they were already doing a lot of work on SARS in case it resurfaced. Its out of the same family of corona viruses and they used that work as the basis for these vaccines. We also know they had many many volunteers test these vaccines that sped up the process by years. BUT we still don't know about any long term effects because (as you point out) there hasn't been time. So I do have some genuine concerns about how we are handling COVID-19. But what I will not tolerate idiots making UNVERIFIABLE CLAIMS and the clown who started this thread has not told ANYONE what country or state or hospital that has fabricated statistics as claimed.
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Well lets look a how the anti-vaxxer movement has caused preventable deaths for young children getting hooping cough and measles. Like all garbage clowns whether they are politicians OR activists they love to spout of about this and that BUT NEVER do they accept responsibility for what they cause and the anti-vaxxers brought back diseases that we once had eradicated. Before you spout of any more garbage just tell us all what those families who lost children to preventable disease are meant to feel about your garbage. Or were they just acceptable sacrifices to you?
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@LowreyContractorsUK So you'd prefer the unverified claim of a nameless person to someone who you can check out and whose data you can go and look up. So when your car breaks down do you take it to a CARpenter or a mechanic. Seriously think it through and stop believing things just because you like the sound of it. If you want to raise questions about trusting big pharma are the vaccines safe and will they work and what the risks are. That's smart and we all should be, but think about who your listening to. If you're scared then go and see a doctor YOU TRUST. Just don't simply take the advice of someone you have no idea who they are and that can include me.
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Did you not listen? The vaccines are not killing these people. What he said was that old people die its called old age and it can be anyone of dozens of reasons. If you take 1000 or 10,000 or a million people of any age group then you expect that a certain amount will die each month from all sorts of causes. What he has said is that out of the vaccinated older people is that the death rate is NORMAL. This is actually how they now how devastating the COVID pandemic is. There's the normal death rate and there's 2020 which is above normal. Some of those can be directly attributed to OCIVD because they tested for it. Others they are not clear on because testing wasn't done. Around July August last year the death toll in America that was above normal was about 220,000, but only about 170,000 of those were confirmed COVID. Working out the causes of those 50,000 will take time and in some cases we will probably never know for certain.
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@esecallum Absolute bullshit. If you want to spout conspiracy garbage then just go over to the pro-conspiracy websites and leave those who want to hear reality alone. SERIOUSLY - we've all had enough of the Qanon, moon hoaxer, fake election results and all the other garbage that NEVER turns out to be true.
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How does anyone know or trust a thing you just claimed? You haven't mentioned a country, a state or hospital. Considering the amount of willful and deliberate misinformation being spread you should shut your mouth unless you are willing to put up some VERIFIABLE DETAILS.
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@paulstandring5269 But if you listen he repeatedly says consult your doctor. Some older people who are frail should probably NOT be given a vaccine in case of a reaction. There are probably younger people in the same boat. So then what do we do with them? Where do we hide them to keep them safe? Or do we just let them be exposed and hope for the best. FYI - THAT DIDN'T WORK TOO WELL IN SWEDEN
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Did you not listen? Old people die, its called old aged. He's not claiming when old people die it means nothing. He's saying he's not concerned in the context of the COVID vaccine effectiveness. Do you know that about 40,000 children die every day from simply NOT being fed. Or that about 50,000 die from simple infections and ailments because they don't have access to basic medicines that many take for granted. 1000s of people die every day simply from old age. All he is saying is that with the vaccines its back to normal and that does sound cold, but its also simply life as we know it.
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Well how do any of us know you or any of the other clowns pumping Ivermectin are not invested financially or invested by other means in Ivermectin?
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@tgwcl6194 JUST GET LOST WITH THAT CONSPIRACY GARBAGE - EVERYONE WITH A FUNCTIONING BRAIN HAS HAD ENOUGH
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@tgwcl6194 Yeah - who's the one who's come here with nothing but UNSUBSTANTIATED conspiracy garbage and crap. You're not here to learn or be updated or or be informed or anything else other than wasting people's time with brainless stupidity. YOU WOULD NOT KNOW A FACT IF IT BIT YOU so just crawl back under a your rock.
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@Campbellteaching Hey dude for all your good work you missed something interview. Right at 1:22 she labels it a super variant. YOU SHOULD HAVE CLARIFIED THAT Nobody yet knows what this variant is or isn't, its been labelled a "Variant of concern" THAT'S ALL It might be the worst, yet it might be nothing or it might be something in the middle. You can't let journalists make statements like that. There have been other variants that were labelled "Variants of concern" and subsequently downgraded to "variants of interest" while others got dropped form that list. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variants_of_SARS-CoV-2 You had a great opportunity here to clarify what is of concern and instead allowed a journalist to label it a "SUPER VARIANT." I'm an aerospace engineer and I hate it when journalists exaggerate and use words like "super" and "amazing" and other idiotic statements that are not factual. You should have clarified her remark.
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Dr. Michael Osterholm (the director of CIDRAP) addressed this exact concept a couple of weeks ago in his podcast (see below) giving plausible arguments both ways. He pointed out that Wuhan just like Atlanta (home of the CDC) is a major transportation hub. If an outbreak of something happened in Atlanta most people would look at the CDC just as quickly as people are looking at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. He then points out that the CDC has had a lot of incidents. He's quite open that there are people pushing research that's dangerous and its not being scrutinized or properly governed. Your analogy is quite right if there's a chocolate spill in Hershey Penn there's an obvious place to look. But what if there was a Cadbury truck passing through town on the day of the spill. Yes your suspicion is right, but then you have to investigate further to make sure. I did aerospace engineering and Boeing claimed there wasn't a problem with the Max-8 it was probably pilot error because every plane incident involves pilots AND THEN on further examination we found out there was problem with the plane. On the virology side there's a division starting to become more publicly known between those who like modifying viruses to see what they might become in future and those who are saying "No, that's dangerous and it doesn't produce results." There's a great short documentary by DW News on this subject (see below). It has some really good input from experts regarding what some researchers have been up to, including the Chinese. Going back to your analogy. It would be like after the Spill in Hershey Pen. the company says "Nothing to see here, there was a Mars Bars truck in town." AND THEN later we find out they were doing risky things in ways others have warned could lead to a spill. Is it conclusive? NO, but it should make us look closer at the evidence. AND as Dr. John points out here the Chinese aren't letting anyone investigate let alone see the evidence. Dr. Michael Osterholm -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYNfScnnDVU&t=2610s DW Documentary -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0nuyPQzU18
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Before you start a panic with conjecture he's how it was reported in Australia where they are starting to roll out the Pfizer vaccine. https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2021-01-18/cause-of-pfizer-covid-vaccine-norway-deaths-not-clear/13067588 Note: that it says "In Norway, approximately 400 people die in an ordinary week in nursing homes. It's not yet clear whether the reported deaths following COVID-19 vaccination are simply a function of age and declining health, or whether the vaccine may have played a role."
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Well how do any of us know you or any of the other clowns pumping Ivermectin are not invested financially or invested by other means in Ivermectin?
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Did you not listen? The vaccines are not killing these people. What he said was that old people die its called old age and it can be anyone of dozens of reasons. If you take 1000 or 10,000 or a million people of any age group then you expect that a certain amount will die each month from all sorts of causes. What he has said is that out of the vaccinated older people is that the death rate is NORMAL. This is actually how they now how devastating the COVID pandemic is. There's the normal death rate and there's 2020 which is above normal. Some of those can be directly attributed to OCIVD because they tested for it. Others they are not clear on because testing wasn't done. Around July August last year the death toll in America that was above normal was about 220,000, but only about 170,000 of those were confirmed COVID. Working out the causes of those 50,000 will take time and in some cases we will probably never know for certain.
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@CR-yn5sy Well considering how stupid a large percentage of the population keeps proving then everything seems fishy. Trusting the instincts of ignorant people isn't a solution its a return to the dark ages. 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♀️
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Dr. Michael Osterholm (director of CIDRAP based at the U. of Minnesota) said in one of his podcasts before Delta emerged that this virus was NOT doing the sorts of things that other viruses like flu did. He pointed out that it wasn't linked to the seasons other than in colder weather people were more likely to be indoors breathing each other's air. The other thing he pointed out that COVID doesn't seen to die out in the population between waves. He basically said that once established in a population it lingers between waves just waiting for an opportunity to surge again. His often repeated description of COVID is that we are not taming this tiger we are riding it and it will do as it pleases. So none of us should be surprised that we have had to change tact. For anyone interested here's the link to the CIDRAP podcasts ->https://www.youtube.com/c/OsterholmUpdateCOVID19
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@tonl4738 If you haven't seen the other explanation FROM A REAL DOCTOR then just don't bother. Clearly something happened an we don't know the details yet. To not expect that there will be some people with reactions is almost idiotic. People have allergies or are they a conspiracy as well? You don't know if the vaccine caused this any more than I do. So stop making claims you CAN'T VERIFY.
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The stop listening and take your conspiracy ladled brain somewhere else.
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@cg5860 Take your conspiracy garbage elsewhere or YOU will be the one getting reported.
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@evaluateanalysis7974 I suspect he/she is a total fraud. If the claim had any validity then they could have easily just said which country or state. They could have quoted a case or event or something and COULD NOT. This is actually a good example of how little people are willing to think. 663 have liked this and I wonder if any of them even questioned if this person what they say they are? Look at the claim there aren't a doctor or nurse they are claiming to handle medical records. WTF does that even mean? Its actually a massive claim that plays right into anti-vaxer sentiments.
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HEY EVERYONE - CALM TF DOWN. No country talks about its death statistics every day. With the exception of the road toll and COVID when was the last time you heard a news report on how many people die from something? Occasionally you hear about cancer deaths or drug overdose deaths or teenage suicide. The fact is humans die every second of everyday and NOBODY wants reminding of the fact we all die. So this is a story we should all expect. Further its damn easy to make any story you want from the statistics. I just watched another video painting a horrible view of Australia's COVID response. They pointed out Australia now has a higher incidence of COVID confirmations than America. I checked the date and to my surprise its true. Australia currently has 393,872 cases per million of population. America currently has 294,874 cases per million of population. Then I remembered we're still testing and reporting our cases while Donald Trump cancelled testing because it was making him look bad in the lead up to the election. If Australia had the same mortality rate as America we'd have 5-1/2 times as many dead. That's 82,000 dead instead of 15,000 or in other words 67,000 Australians are alive because we weren't like America. Sorry but its pretty damn easy to paint any story you want if you know which stats to quote.
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Did you not listen? Old people die, its called old aged. He's not claiming when old people die it means nothing. We've all lost parents and grandparents to various conditions. I lost one grandparent before I was born, another from old age, another from a heart condition exacerbated by surgery and the 4th from cancer. Its NORMAL that out of any population each month a number of people die. In fact if you take any age group each month a certain number are expected to die from any number of causes. What he is saying is that out of the vaccinated older group we are now seeing the NORMAL number of deaths. Medical people have to deal with death and they sometimes seem very cold about it. The oncologist who told me my mothers breast cancer had gotten into her bones and that she would die in 3 to 6 months said it as casually as describing the weather. My sister in laws father is a geriatric specialist all his patients die. He has years of practice at telling people their loved one is about to die or just died and he's got very good at it. I'm Australian but went to college in America. Last year I started equating the COVID toll to the size of US college football stadiums because I thought enough people had been to college and been to a game and had an idea what 50, 60, or 70,000 people looked like in one place. The largest football stadium in America is Michigan Stadium at 107,000. In the next week or 2 they will have gone past that number for the 5th time. How is anybody not meant to be a little numb at this point?
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@birthdayzrock1426 I made that crystal clear very day, every week, every month in any given age group we expect a certain number of deaths from a variety of natural (age, disease,....) and unnatural (car crashes, accidents,.....) and the 1170 he mentioned is within the range they'd expect under normal conditions.
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@birthdayzrock1426 Nobody has said that from day 1 you idiot. When people die there can be lots of causes put on a death certificate. This was discussed last year time and time again. Wake up. Have you ever heard the term "contributing factor or factors." My mother died from liver cancer, but the breast cancer where it started and bone cancer where it spread to where "contributing factors." I had an oncologist (cancer specialist) explain it to me. Sure old people die from old age, but what does that actually mean? Some part (or parts) of their body stops working because its old. If something like the flu or cancer comes along and contributes it gets listed as a contributing factor. COVID has killed a lot of older people by contributing to existing ailments and age. Nobody has hidden that, people just don't listen.
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EVERYONE CAN CALM TF DOWN. No country talks about its death statistics every day. With the exception of the road toll and COVID when was the last time you heard a news report on how many people die from something? Occasionally you hear about cancer deaths or drug overdose deaths or teenage suicide. The fact is humans die every second of everyday and NOBODY wants reminding of the fact we all die. So this is a story we should all expect. Further its damn easy to make any story you want from the statistics. I just watched another video painting a horrible view of Australia's COVID response. They pointed out Australia now has a higher incidence of COVID confirmations than America. I checked the date and to my surprise its true. Australia currently has 393,872 cases per million of population. America currently has 294,874 cases per million of population. Then I remembered we're still testing and reporting our cases while Donald Trump cancelled testing because it was making him look bad in the lead up to the election. If Australia had the same mortality rate as America we'd have 5-1/2 times as many dead. That's 82,000 dead instead of 15,000 or in other words 67,000 Australians are alive because we weren't like America. Sorry but its pretty damn easy to paint any story you want if you know which stats to quote.
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No moron what there is here is a wave of ignorance and stupidity most of what seems to be from anti-vaxers. A wave of clowns have jumped on a couple of points and taken them out of context and with a pandemic in progress that's dangerous. There are some truly outrageous statements being made by people who cannot and in some cases will not provide any evidence for their claims. Sure I think there are some legitimate concerns about how fast these vaccines were developed and if the full studies that would normally happen have been done and verified. Certainly long term effects for these specific vaccines cant have been done because there has not been time. I think there are some genuine concerns over the behavior of big pharma and we should be careful with their claims. But I also know there are people with genuine expertise who are saying they are safe for most people to have. Are there people who will have reactions - that's normal for almost any medication. Have you ever heard of allergies? But very few of those sorts of comments are here. Its mostly wild claims with no basis of fact.
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for anyone interested here is the Aljazeera link -> https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/20/non-stop-cremations-cast-doubt-on-indias-counting-of-covid-dead heads up warning it doesn't hold back.
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What bullshit JASON D. How can you or any of these idiots claim "Spot On" or "exactly" when no one knows what country you're talking about. Don't mislead people JASON D - howling about double standards when you're being DECEPTIVE yourself. What country are you talking about?
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@jasond6294 Well with a name like Jason on a page produced by a Brit talking about Britain and British outcomes. Then you say "my country," where do you think most people will assume you are from? Do you think they will say he's talking about Britain or Malta? I'm from Australian and try to make it clear I'm from Australia. Here go look at the results we are at #111 with 25.7 million to Malta's #117 (in cases) with your 442,000. We haven't had a death since December 28. How many have you had just this last week? https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ I get plenty of flack that we are a small population on an island with nice warm climate and could isolate ourselves. What do they say to you?
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@roberthakker5456 Yeah they have now had over 500,000 Americans, over 250,000 Brazilians, approaching 200,000 Mexicans, over 150,000 Indians, over 120,000 Brits and almost 100,000 Italians. Yeah just over 2.5 Million dead and counting is nothing we should be concerned with. You're an idiot. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
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@kingsking2816 Well we actually don't yet know how many have actually died from the vaccine. There are a lot of wild claims from anti-vaxers, but very little that's verifiable (see below). There's over 2.5million dead across the world. There are now more than several million vaccinated. Around 40,000 people were involved with the tests and they had not a single fatality. So the numbers are staggering. There's some answers we wont know for some time, but the facts are pretty clear the risks of getting sick from the vaccine are tiny compared to getting dead from the virus. There's an odd case in Florida where a doctor died suddenly after the vaccine. This is the best well rounded vid that I have found and its by a doctor. He points out we still don't fully know what happened in that case. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UijQ-6jhVuc In Norway they had a people over 80 years of age die in old peoples homes after getting the vaccine. They are still investigating that, but have warned doctors to be careful with older frail people. Note that the following link reports that in Norway around 400 elderly people die in an ordinary week. https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2021-01-18/cause-of-pfizer-covid-vaccine-norway-deaths-not-clear/13067588
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@roberthakker5456 Seriously take your denialism somewhere else. People were trying the "It's not as bad as flu" bullshit last February and by the end of April it was obvious that this was way worse than flu. I honestly don't know what to say to someone as ignorant as you. You people listen to idiots and clowns with no way to verify anything they say but consider it as absolute truth because its said on social media. Do you even know what country Jason D is talking about? His name is Jason and he's commenting on a YT page that's by Brit talking about Britain. SO WHEN Jason says "my country" which country is he talking about? FYI - It's not Britain. There's other even more stupid claims being made about this video. I suspect the anti-vaxers saw the title and jumped on this with all there usual stupidity. Now your here with denialism (that was debunked 12 months ago) as well. Way for you people to show how social media is where the ignorant and stupid hangout to reinforce each others ignorance and stupidity.
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No its been done because like every other country we've had clowns digging into our Ivermectin stocks which we need for the people in our Northern regions where parasitic infections are common because of the tropical environment. At the moment all our procurement people are trying to get all the vaccines they can and get us all vaccinated because a few selfish clowns let Delta lose. Our people don't have time right now to go chasing after supplies because a few clowns WONT LISTEN.
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TO ALL the FDA have Ivermectin approved as an "anti-parasitic" NOT as an anti-viral, which may explain what they stated. What they have found is that even thought its primary function is as a n anti-parasitic its also effective against other things. The Wikipedia page goes through what it is and its history and has a link/reference to a study of its effect on COVID-19 -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivermectin (see reference 13 at the end of the first section (introduction). It was published in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases. The title of that paper on that study is "A five-day course of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 may reduce the duration of illness" PLEASE: Read the Abstract. Most of the paper is quite technical, but for scientific papers the "Abstract" at the start is there to give a brief overview. It clearly says what the study was, where it was done and the basic conclusion. BUT it also says "Larger trials will be needed to confirm these preliminary findings." Here's a direct link to the paper -> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7709596/
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for anyone interested here is the Aljazeera link -> https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/20/non-stop-cremations-cast-doubt-on-indias-counting-of-covid-dead heads up warning it doesn't hold back.
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I'm an engineer so I look at this subject through an engineer's eyes. I have done a lot of problem solving over the years and problem solving always realise on being able to assess what we know for certain versus what we suspect. What we know beyond all doubt was that Peter Daszak who was one of the Authors of the Lancet letter that initially dismissed the claims of weapons development and a lab leak had a financial interest in the lab through his company EcoHealth Alliance. He used NIH funding via EcoHealth Alliance to help fund research in Wuhan. So when he was the only Westerner allowed to inspect the Lab that investigation was NOT impartial. People have been trying to point that out for over a year. Its not a matter of right or wrong its a matter of being impartial and therefore trustworthy. Further to that there are vested interests across the entire field of biological research. Researchers have to work hard to get their grants and if it was a lab leak then that risks their funding. DW did a great report on Gain of Function (July 2021) and that's worth seeing. They showed how people had found by looking through published papers what the lab in Wuhan was doing. The good news of that is it proved there was no weapons program because weapons programs don't publish their research for all the world to see. But DW also reported how the lab in Wuhan was making variants of bat corona viruses more transferable to humans. Here's that DW report: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0nuyPQzU18
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for anyone interested here is the Aljazeera link -> https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/20/non-stop-cremations-cast-doubt-on-indias-counting-of-covid-dead heads up warning it doesn't hold back.
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Simple great sentiment 👍🦘👍🦘👍🦘👏👏
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You just answered your own statement "claims" they are just "claims" Considering how badly prepared the entire world was DESPITE WARNINGS then its real easy to single out people. That's not to say we shouldn't hang the man for incompetence, but you don't hang people on "claims" or at least you shouldn't. And my other reply to everyone who wants to go after people like Tedros and Fauci. If you think you know better and can do better then apply for the job. Otherwise your just another social media clown.
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Well considering how many 1,000,000s of people who have taken these vaccines then you have to expect some will have a reaction. Just like there are people who have allergies, but without ALL the details on this case who knows. Here's a real doctor discussing that case. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UijQ-6jhVuc
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@tonl4738 Then you'd know not to make uneducated emotionally driven conclusions like so many are doing. I read your comment and I don't have any problem with people saying they will wait and see just to be sure. BUT I have no time for the fearmongering of many and the outright misinformation of others. I checked out Dr. John Campbell early on and his credentials are fine. You don't get a PhD like he has and not have the ability read through and sort through data better than most people. I have seen some incredibly stupid and ignorant comments made in respect of this video. Here's an example - right below this is a comment that I saw and remarked on by a person using the tag "Authentic Shift" the comment is "Having worked in patient record systems, I can attest that adverse reactions are massively underreported" What country or state or hospital does that apply too? How does anyone know that, that comment has any veracity? Yet it has 530 likes, which means there are 530 idiots who didn't stop and think and yet they are willing to risk their life on comments like that. Only yesterday on another channel about the release of vaccine in Australia (where I am) people started claiming that the Pfizer MRNA vaccine was "experimental gene therapy" which is total bullshit. One person claimed it was even registered in Australia as "gene therapy" and with the challenge to check it, I DID and there is NOTHING on the TGA website or in the documentation that says anything about "gene therapy." And yet by law they would have to publish that sort of information because the doctors have to be able to fully inform their patients. After I put up the TGA website link where EVERYONE could see what was and wasn't TRUE they stopped, yelling at me. https://www.tga.gov.au/covid-19-vaccine-pfizer-australia-comirnaty-bnt162b2-mrna FYI - I haven't had any vaccine yet, because they haven't yet rolled it out for my age group (45-65). In Australia it will take about 6 months to do the entire country and I am not in any of the high priority groups.
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@25ivysthampton Thanks for proving we have stupid people who can't think in Australia bozo. You must be a Collingwood supporter with that little grasp of reality.
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@25ivysthampton That would have been my 2nd or 3rd guess if I was looking for a dropkick who can't do basic math. A majority is when there's more of something not when there's less. We eradicated or contained polio, measles, chicken pox, with vaccines. 1,000,000s (as in millions) of people every year avoid or are saved from flu by vaccines and yet idiots who can't do basic math believe in claims they can't verify from people they don't know. Anti-vaxers and other conspiracy clowns are always demanding others prove there claims but never prove anything themselves - wonder why????? What are you doing next week, attending the Flat Earth Convention. 🤣😂🤣😂
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Well the case numbers are from positive tests so that part of your comment is utter BS. Where the dat a is dodgy (as you put it) is when people extend the data with modelling and make estimations. I'm an engineer and we use models as much as (if not more than) any profession and we learn fairly quickly to always check the veracity of what the models tell us. I was very lucky to learn from one of my professors who quite bluntly taught me to check the model all the time.
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Did you not listen he didn't say that any of those 1170 died of anything but expected causes. If you take 1000 or 10,000 or a million people of any age group then you expect that a certain amount will die each month from all sorts of causes. What he has said is that out of the vaccinated older people is that the death rate is NORMAL. This is actually how they now how devastating the COVID pandemic is. There's the normal death rate and there's 2020 which is above normal. Some of those can be directly attributed to OCIVD because they tested for it. Others they are not clear on because testing wasn't done. Around July August last year the death toll in America that was above normal was about 220,000, but only about 170,000 of those were confirmed COVID. Working out the causes of the other 50,000 will take time and in some cases we will probably never know for certain.
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Did you not listen? Old people die, its called old aged. He's not claiming when old people die it means nothing. He's saying he's not concerned in the context of the COVID vaccine effectiveness. Do you know that about 40,000 children die every day from simply NOT being fed. Or that about 50,000 die from simple infections and ailments because they don't have access to basic medicines that many take for granted. 1000s of people die every day simply from old age. All he is saying is that with the vaccines its back to normal and that does sound cold, but its also simply life as we know it.
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@diegestive4167 Well for starters your full of shite claiming "There hasn’t been a natural death from old age since this started" That's simply crap. So if you don't like having your idiocy shoved back down your throat then keep it in check for future reference.
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@esecallum Seriously go take that anti-vaxer crap and shove it. You people are responsible for getting children killed from measles and hooping cough and other preventable diseases and NOT ONCE have any of you clowns accepted any responsibility for that. If you lot had actually been sensible then people might have taken you seriously but instead you just made up brainless crap. If anything you lot have helped big pharma with your stupidity. Did you ever think of that?
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On Australia why don't you all go and look at how the tennis players are complaining. We found a way to make it possible for all these pampered wankers to have their F--KING tennis tournament and they haven't stopped complaining.
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