Comments by "Tony Wilson" (@tonywilson4713) on "Демократия в Деле"
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Thank you so much. Being an engineer and NOT a student of political theory, (in fact I generally hate such people, for the utter garbage they sell society) I normally run from such people and any of their advocates. Its taken only a few minutes of looking through other quotes to see mister Wolin is a great thinker who has seen through the smoke and mirrors. Most interestingly (and unlike so many others) he seems to like pointing out historical facts from Athenian and Roman societies which oddly I studied in college as humanities options.
Please don't hold it against me that I hadn't heard of him, but I come from a different path.
Here's another of his quotes from the same book that immediately struct me as the privatisation of Australia is such a hot topic for me.
“The strategy followed by privatization’s advocates is, first, to discredit welfare functions as “socialism” and then either to sell those functions to a private bidder or to privatize a particular program. A traditional governmental function, such as education, is in process of being redefined, from a promise to make education accessible to all to an investment opportunity for venture capital.”
― Sheldon S. Wolin, Democracy Incorporated:
And this one which when put into the context of "Citizens United" and the current makeup of the ultra pro-corporate SCOTUS is chilling.
"When power is organized in the form of an economy based upon private capital and the division of labor, then ipso facto the lives of most persons will be directed by others. Dependence is thus institutionalized as inequalities of reward and, consequently, of power.”
― Sheldon S. Wolin, Democracy Incorporated:
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@xelakram The great eye opener on economics was an exposé by the BBC program Panorama years ago when they were investigating some of the American banks and how they influence politics. What they found was that professors at Harvard, Yale,.....etc. were on huge money to write papers that helped of promoted what those banks wanted.
If you tell a politician "A study by Harvard Business school has found....." or "A recent paper out of Yale Business school says....." that carries serious weight and people pay attention. The Banks found that if you wanted to influence monetary policy it was A LOT CHEAPER and MORE EFFECTIVE to pay-off "the prestigious" professors to write what you wanted.
In the Panorama program the confronted one professor with how much his base salary was to how much the banks paid him (it was like 4 or 5x as much) and how many pro-bank papers he was writing and how they influenced policy. Instead of defending his work the professor off with "how dare you this,... how dare you that,.... I'm the chair of blah blah blah." It was really telling that he never defended the work he'd done.
Being truthful the engineering research I encountered was just as bad. The entire process is never about results its about doing enough to get the next grant. Its a fundamental reason we haven't solved nuclear fusion or been back to the moon. We've spent billions in research but produced very little, as most of that was about getting the next research grant.
I actually did Economics 101 as a humanities option. I remember asking the professor about 2 weeks in when we would see a formula, because all he was showing us was graphs with different shaped supply & demand curves. He laughed at me and told me economics wasn't about numbers. Numbers were for accountants and actuaries.
But my real disdain for economists are the insane lies they tell, like "consumers will be better off." What it really means is that consumers will see lower prices because we just sent jobs to a place with lower wages that help with profit. For the consumers who still have a job its better but for the poor bastards who no longer have a job its BS.
In Australia we have something even worse. Basic supply-demand economics says that if demand rises prices should as well if supply cannot match the new demand. Australia's population has gone from 15million in the 1980s to 25million so the demand for dairy products, have also increased. Plus Australia now has enormous markets in Japan and China to supply dairy into. Chinese demand Australian produced baby formula is insane. Chinese students in Australia fund their education by mailing the stuff home where it can double or triple in value. Its got so bad that there are now limits on buying baby formula in our supermarkets.
In any reality dairy farming and dairy manufacturing in Australia should be profitable if not super profitable, but the number of dairy farmers has crashed from over 22,000 to under 8,000 and we are closing down manufacturing plants. I love throwing that at people with business or economics degrees the stunned looks are brilliant.
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Here's some quotes to all that others have provided me in that last year. The first is by Isaac Asimov and even though its aimed at American society it can be just as easily applied to EVERY SOCIETY that has ever existed on this planet for the simple reason that every society has what we call "the village idiot." the second is by Vice POTUS Henry Wallace and is so accurate in describing the behavior (as in method) of Donald Trump it almost proves time travel was possible in 1944.
The others are ones I have picked up an seen others quoted a lot lately. Enjoy them and share them with others as they were shared with me.
“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”
― Isaac Asimov, News Week, 1980.
Henry A. Wallace, Vice President of the United States in the New York Times, April 9, 1944 “The really dangerous American fascist... is the man who wants to do in the United States in an American way what Hitler did in Germany in a Prussian way. The American fascist would prefer not to use violence. His method is to poison the channels of public information. With a fascist the problem is never how best to present the truth to the public but how best to use the news to deceive the public into giving the fascist and his group more money or more power... They claim to be super-patriots, but they would destroy every liberty guaranteed by the Constitution. They demand free enterprise, but are the spokesmen for monopoly and vested interest. Their final objective, toward which all their deceit is directed, is to capture political power so that, using the power of the state and the power of the market simultaneously, they may keep the common man in eternal subjection.”
“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.” ― Voltaire
“Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.” ― Aldous Huxley
“Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”
― Mark Twain
“I think it would be very, very, I think we’d have a very, very solid, we would continue what we’re doing, we’d solidify what we’ve done, and we have other things on our plate that we want to get done” ¬― Donald Trump answering the NY Times on his 2nd term agenda. August 2020.
"He's America's colonoscopy – it’s all on camera, you don't wanna watch, it helps to be sedated for the whole thing and it’s a huge pain in the ass!" ― Stephen Colbert Sept. 2020
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@tekannon7803 I really do get where you are coming from but the reality is Australia will never have that the ability to take out retribution on anyone in Asia or the Pacific. that Asians have too much to throw at us and if we bash anyone in the Pacific we'd be a bully the world will hate.
Sorry for the long answer but I have been looking at this stuff for a while.
Ward Carroll an ex-US Navy F14-RIO (backseat Goose) has a channel here on YT. Mostly he talks about flying stuff but occasionally interviews people he knows on serious topics. One such interview recently was with a buddy about America's military budget and strategy going forward. He talks about 2 strategies - Retribution and Denial. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9-ArzOhSGI
Retribution is simple: If you hit us we will smash you and you wont get up. Australia just can't do that.
Denial is more complex: Its when you have enough stuff that the other guy is always DOUBTING if today is a good day to try something. Yes he knows that he can overwhelm you and take your nation, BUT AT WHAT COST. The aim is you keep them guessing and always concluding "Today's not the day."
Right now there are people in China is wondering what an invasion of Taiwan will cost. They have just spent years building their navy up, but they are also seeing what's happening in Ukraine. The Russians have all the numbers, but they have lost ships, lost 2000+ vehicles, around 1000 tanks, lots of artillery and within the first 100 days lost more men that America did in 19years of Afghanistan and Iraq combined. They were not ready for 21st century missile based warfare. The Russians have a great army for the 20th century but its not the 20th century anymore its the 21st century. The Chinese have a great navy for the 1970s maybe the 80s and possibly the 1990s, but not the 2020s.
Watch this from the BBC and check out how accurate guided artillery is. During the first Gulf war we got to see smart bombs. 30 years later we have smart shells and they are lethally accurate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTQ5ZGHV9Zs
In the first Gulf War artillery was good for about 20-25km and with accuracy measured in 10s of meters. These guided shells are good for 40km accurate to centimeters. Basically if you're in a tank and spotted by a drone and they can call in artillery its already too late to hide.
Out on the ocean, these days torpedos have ranges over 50km and can run slow and silent for most of the time before they attack. WW2 subs had maybe 10-12 torpedoes these days 20+ and some 30+ including missiles. Plus they don't need to fire 3 or 4 torpedoes at each ship just 1.
No doubt if China wants Taiwan there's almost NOTHING that can stop them except the cost. They have to be willing to lose dozens of ships and maybe an aircraft carrier as well as 100+ fighter jets. They'd have to pound Taiwan into submission, possibly flattening the microchip factories. Who's going to deal with China if they smash the worlds microchip supply for 3-5 years? We'd just build our own factories and then what's the point of taking Taiwan? What do they get for all that cost and all that pain?
So for Australia going forward its not a matter of what we can throw back - that's pointless because they can all throw more at us than we can at them. Its a matter of having people think "Today's not the day, because it will cost too much."
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