Comments by "Tony Wilson" (@tonywilson4713) on "Climate Change Debate: Bjørn Lomborg and Andrew Revkin | Lex Fridman Podcast #339" video.

I agree that decent public debates need to be had on all manner of subjects, but NOT worthless debates that take 4 hours to go nowhere with people who can't ever solve any of the issues. I'm an engineer and left a lengthy detailed response to this in the Lex's pinned comment at the top.
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I agree that decent public debates need to be had on all manner of subjects, but NOT worthless debates that take 4 hours to go nowhere with people who can't ever solve any of the issues. I'm an engineer and left a lengthy detailed response to this in the Lex's pinned comment at the top.
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I agree that decent public debates need to be had on all manner of subjects, but NOT worthless debates that take 4 hours to go nowhere with people who can't ever solve any of the issues. NEITHER OF THESE 2 are experts on climate or anything to do with future energy or technology solutions I'm an engineer and left a lengthy detailed response to this in the Lex's pinned comment at the top.
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I agree that decent public debates need to be had on all manner of subjects, but NOT worthless debates that take 4 hours to go nowhere with people who can't ever solve any of the issues. I'm an engineer and left a lengthy detailed response to this in the Lex's pinned comment at the top.
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@drts6955 I'd agree with that but then mainstream media has been peddling a lot of crap for very long time. Here's a fairly famous quote: “… the man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.” ― Thomas Jefferson What I totally agree with is that new media and in particular social media is more out of control than anything previously seen. In that past it required lots of money for printing presses or radio gear or television gear. All that's needed now is a $500 laptop with a camera and you can start your own "news and information" channel and even better make money doing it.
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I agree that decent public debates need to be had on all manner of subjects, but NOT worthless debates that take 4 hours to go nowhere with people who can't ever solve any of the issues. I specifically agree on the money. Lomborg and others like Alex Epstein are well paid through fossil fuel think tanks. The guys on Triggernometry just had Marion Tupy on a few weeks ago and he admitted working at the CATO Institute. They never challenged him on that. Its well known that Charles Koch (the fossil fuel billionaire) is one of the main funders of CATO. The fossil fuel money is never questioned enough. I'm an engineer and left a lengthy detailed response to this in the Lex's pinned comment at the top.
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@luiscrawford1249 That's a brutal and sadly accurate assessment of our media. My biggest complaint with our current media landscape is that its dominated by attention seeking clowns who are ruled by a gaggle of narcissistic sociopaths drunk on Milton Friedmans "greed is good" jungle juice. Sorry for the longer reply but this is WHY I hate economists and journalists. I'm actually an engineer and a few years ago I did this odd little consult job on Australia's power industry. What I found shocked me because we are headed for an economic collapse. When I looked around I found the same problem everywhere I looked. Like everything else power stations wear out and need to be replaced. Big populations require big power stations underpinning their economies. Everybody stopped building big power stations in the 1990s with almost none being built after the year 2000 anywhere in the Western world. A lot of smaller power stations have been built, plus lots of wind and solar installed, but they are only HIDING the problem. The economists don't want to admit they gave bad advice and the journalists aren't interested in telling anyone that much bad news. Here in Australia we are planning to turn off 5 of our biggest power stations over the next few years because of age. Several were built in the late 60s early 70s. They are that old that there's just no way to keep them running. We have already turned off one major and 4 more minor power stations because of age. Most of the big power stations we do have broke down at various points this winter causing all sorts of chaos. AT THE MOMENT WE DO NOT HAVE EVEN 1 PROPOSAL ON THE TABLE. I recently checked California and France as part of a discussion and its a similar same story. Britain is at least building one but it wont be ready until around 2028. This is why I hate economists so much. They are doing all that they can to hide the fact their advice played a massive part in creating the energy crisis. What I hate about journalists and the media is they won't talk to anyone who might actually tell people what's going on let alone discuss solutions. Between these 2 groups of people the general population of the planet is confused and exhausted and no solutions are being presented. This is an accurate summation of the problem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKnX5wci404
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@drts6955 Its like crypto. To its fans its the greatest thing to have ever existed offering all sorts of freedoms and convenience. Bugs aren't bugs, they're features that the rest of us just don't get because we lack the vision. Its brilliant and wonderful and amazing UNTIL IT ISN'T.
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HEY LEX Do you rally think anyone has time to listen to a discussion between a self absorbed narcissist trying to sell his next book versus yet another self righteous journalist for 4 seconds is worth anyone's time. LET ALONE 4 HOURS OF IT Lex your not stupid but this was garbage before it even started. I am actually all for letting people like Bjorn Lomborg speak so that we can then address their nonsense, but 4 hours is ridiculous. FYI - I am an engineer with a degree in aerospace and 30+ years of control systems and automation across a variety of industries including some (but not much) coal mining and oil & gas experience. Other than those paid to lie and the few so deluded they don't they are wrong, the climate debate is over. The evidence is irrefutable (see NOAA or NASA) and none of us are much interested in any more WASTEFUL & WORTHLESS DEBATES. 1) In 4 minutes, 4 hours, 4 days or 4 years NO ONE will ever get a SOLUTION to the climate issue when the debate does not include scientists or engineers, ESPECIALLY ENGINEERS. It doesn't matter what ideas, concepts, or solutions the scientists come up with it will be engineers who have to build it and then make it work and then keep it working. 2) Nobody has plans to deny the developing world of development. In just the first 20 seconds it included Bjorn's wonderful PAID FOR by fossil fuel interests, standard trope of "look at how many people have benefited from fossil fuels and now these people want to take that away from people." Nobody is planning on taking away the benefits of modern technology from anyone, we are just want to power it in ways that don't destroy the plant. There is nothing that infuriates engineers more than non-engineers telling the world what is and isn't possible or what they have planned. For starters engineers like technology and like making things. If we stop development we stop being engineers. If we do the development using clean energy we keep being engineers. SECOND - there is not a single journalist or economist anywhere capable of building any sort of power plant or the distribution grid or factories where stuff gets made BUT THEY ARE PLENTY OF THEM TELLING THE WHOLE WORLD HOW IT WILL GET DONE. It really is infuriating that you think you can waste 4 hours of everyone's time with 2 clowns who can't solve a damn thing or build anything. 3) These people like Bjorn, Alex Epstein and others who play this "moral argument for fossil fuels" idiocy never mention the moral or ethical downsides. However they are very quick to point out even the most minute issue with any alternatives to fossil fuel. And yes as an engineer I know the downsides to solar and wind and nuclear. For example: They are very quick to scare people with "radiation can kill you" or that solar doesn't work at night or that the wind doesn't always blow. They never mention that very few people have ever been harmed in nuclear incidents except for Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They never mention the time it takes to build a coal or gas fired power station or what it costs to maintain compared to solar or wind. For example: They never mention the 1000s and 1000s of coal miners who've died in mining accidents like cave-ins and explosions. They never mention the 1000s and 1000s of coal miners who have died slowly and painfully from black lung which is caused by coal dust building up in their lungs. There never mention the people who suffer from respiratory disease from the air pollution created from burning fossil fuels. For example: They never mention the lead additives used in gasoline that poisoned the entire developed world. Lead poisoning leads to things like violence and none these "moral outcome" advocates ever mention that the higher crime rates in polluted cities can be (at least in part) attributed to the fossil fuels we burn in cars. 4) Then there's the almost universal shitfuckery of Journalists and the entire media landscape. Even when they are trying to do the right things they are usually so arrogant they never check their facts, even basic facts. I just watched a preview of the soccer world cup where they got Qatar and Canada mixed up when talking about Qatar's place as a gas producer. Do you and the rest of the media have any idea how INFURIATING you all are when you can't even get the most basic scientific or engineering facts right? Here's a great quote from almost 200 years ago, on the subject of the quality of journalism. “… the man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.” ― Thomas Jefferson
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@wadebacca Actually YES. it only takes minutes to check Lomborg. he's such a narcissist that he doesn't even care. His Think Tank is set up in America which should be a red flag but there's an interesting note on the funding. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_Consensus_Center#Funding No donations, they just admit to being paid.
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I agree that decent public debates need to be had on all manner of subjects, but NOT worthless debates that take 4 hours to go nowhere with people who can't ever solve any of the issues. I'm an engineer and left a lengthy detailed response to this in the Lex's pinned comment at the top.
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I agree that decent public debates need to be had on all manner of subjects, but NOT worthless debates that take 4 hours to go nowhere with people who can't ever solve any of the issues. I'm an engineer and left a lengthy detailed response to this in the Lex's pinned comment at the top.
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@miff227 Well for starters when I want to know about something I LISTEN TO EXPERTS. If its physics I listen to physicists If its math I listen to mathematicians If its history I listen to historians If its economics I listen to economists If its journalism I listen to journalists AND the subject is CLIMATE I *LISTEN TO CLIMATOLOGISTS * NOT FARKING economists and NOT FARKING journalists.
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@drts6955 I normally wouldn't credit CNN with anything but heaps of crap but I just heard this awesome remark from Scott Galloway (who's pretty good value). He was describing how some of the things going on at twitter are mostly nonsense: "We in the media are like a Tyrannosaurus rex. We're drawn towards violence and movement." Your comment could be: "New media is like a pack of velocoraptors. They're drawn towards violence and movement and tear everything they can to shreds."
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@luiscrawford1249 thanks
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@williamabbott9437 There's an awful lot in that comment. Some of it is right, but NOT that crap pseudoscience garbage on geomagnetic reversal driving climate change. Its clear that your someone who's read a couple of things and now thinks you have the giant answer. SORRY BUT NO People doing what you are doing is one of the prime drivers of climate change, because you WASTE EVERYONE'S TIME WITH NONSENSE.
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@williamabbott9437 Hey M0R0N. There's NO EVIDENCE that the poles are flipping. Stop watching Hollywood films and thinking you know stuff and STOP WASTING PEOPLES TIME.
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