Comments by "Tony Wilson" (@tonywilson4713) on "Tommy Nguyen: Woke Culture HAS Gone Too Far - 5/8 | Oxford Union" video.

@Teasehirt I didn't fail to register the topic I just think its too narrow of a topic and it ignores the fact the other side of politics is just as guilty of the same activities. Its called context. Its a debate worth having BUT NOT if you are going to ignore the context. That's the one thing I found they all failed at - giving context to the debate. A couple tried but failed because they again ignored to many relevant facts of the subject. They all treated any inconveniency as something to be ignored rather than dealt with and that's maybe the biggest failure of all 8 of them.
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@Teasehirt I certainly agree with those who think there is way to much LEFT ideology in education BUT do not mistake there is also a huge influence from the RIGHT in education. People forget the incredible levels of indoctrination that goes on in the private high schools and private universities around the world. Its most notable in economic policies. All of it has tragic consequences that we are now becoming aware of. Sorry if this takes some explaining. I'm Australian and BOTH my parents were high school teachers and most of their social circle were also high school teachers along with one of my cousins who was a high school principal. So I'm pretty well informed on was happening through the 70s, 80s, 90s and early 2000s. In my home state of Victoria we had 2 high school systems that ran in parallel. The standard high schools which were like everywhere else and technical schools. My father taught in the tech school system for decades. It was orientated towards giving boys the skills to work in industry. They did a lot less of history, geography, etc. and lot more of industrial trade skills like carpentry, metal work, tool making, plumbing,... etc. One of my fathers best friends taught panel beating and car repair. He and the mechanic teacher used to buy 1 Ford and 1 GM (Holden) from the wrecking yard each year and then have the students completely rebuild/restore them. They'd sell them at the end of the year and use that money for the next 2 cars the next year. That tech school system produced generations of people who went onto to complete apprenticeships in all sorts of trades. Then in the 1990s it was totally destroyed by a pack of Left wing clowns claiming it was too "male orientated." It was done by our Labor Party that was founded among the Trade Unions. BUT BY THE 90s the Labor party leadership went from working class trade unionists to University educated theorists driven by ideology. Our RIGHT LOVED IT because it helped undermine our trade unions and allowed them to send our manufacturing overseas. By the 2000s we had a problem. The Chinese demand meant building new mines and we didn't have the welders, plumbers, fitters, electricians,... to get it done and had to import massive amounts of skilled labor. Its been insanely destructive. It was all done to support and idiotic Leftist social agenda supported by the Right and their equally idiotic economic agenda.
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@frosksdeadteeth5163 Not certain what you're specifically trying to point out because your comment flips back and forth between fact and contradiction. Or is that what you are trying to show because I found ALL of the 8 speakers to contradict themselves or go wildly off topic at times. Why did Konstantin Kisin rant on about climate change, when that has zip to do with wokeism? I totally agree with your last line that they need to read a lot more history. I'm Australian in my 50s (early Gen-X) and in high school we all did 4 years of history classes that went from Ancient Egypt through Sumerian, Greek, Roman and British history all the way to modern Australia. So I learned that events are affected by preceding events and that historical events have context. That's not done anymore and I see Millennials and Zoomers with almost no ability to put things into historical context and when they do try its often a face palm moment. This whole debate seemed riddled with bad context even though a couple did try.
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Sorry but this is some of the most ignorant shit I have ever heard and I mean ignorant in that he ignores basic reality. He's IGNORING that he's describing and criticising EVERY socio-political ideology when they go too far. If you took this speech and replaced the words woke and wokeism with conservative & conservatism or left & leftism or right & rightism or ANY OTHER socio-political ideology its exactly the same speech. This is 9 minutes and 12 seconds of political clichéd BULLSHlT that could easily describe every political movement in history. For a couple of people who think this kid has a bright future look at the recently elected American George Santos who has lied about everything in his life. He won the election doing EXACTLY what Tommy Nguyen has done here take the standard tribal political line and tell it to a willing audience. What the real debate should be "This House Believes Political Tribalism Has Gone Too Far"
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Sorry but this is some of the most ignorant shit I have ever heard and I mean ignorant in that he ignores basic reality. He's IGNORING that he's describing and criticising EVERY socio-political ideology when they go too far. If you took this speech and replaced the words woke and wokeism with conservative & conservatism or left & leftism or right & rightism or ANY OTHER socio-political ideology its exactly the same speech. This is 9 minutes and 12 seconds of political clichéd BULLSHlT that could easily describe every political movement in history. For a couple of people who think this kid has a bright future look at the recently elected American George Santos who has lied about everything in his life. He won the election doing EXACTLY what Tommy Nguyen has done here take the standard tribal political line and tell it to a willing audience. What the real debate should be "This House Believes Political Tribalism Has Gone Too Far"
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Sorry but this is some of the most ignorant shit I have ever heard and I mean ignorant in that he ignores basic reality. He's IGNORING that he's describing and criticising EVERY socio-political ideology when they go too far. If you took this speech and replaced the words woke and wokeism with conservative & conservatism or left & leftism or right & rightism or ANY OTHER socio-political ideology its exactly the same speech. This is 9 minutes and 12 seconds of political clichéd BULLSHlT that could easily describe every political movement in history. For a couple of people who think this kid has a bright future look at the recently elected American George Santos who has lied about everything in his life. He won the election doing EXACTLY what Tommy Nguyen has done here take the standard tribal political line and tell it to a willing audience. What the real debate should be "This House Believes Political Tribalism Has Gone Too Far"
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@Teasehirt Interesting you put CRT in with Cancel Culture, Virtue Signalling and Gender Ideology because CRT is nothing like the other 3, BUT the public discussion of CRT is exactly like the other 3. CRT is actually a great example of a subject being hijacked by bad faith political actors. The entire public hysteria about CRT was NOT a manifestation of woke culture it was created by a right wing sociopath in America to stoke the culture war and influence the midterm elections. It looks like a woke issue but isn't. Its certainly a social issue about disparity, but the public hysteria wasn't created by them. I'm Australian but went to college in America (late 80s) so I'm interested in what's goes on in America. The public CRT explosion is an insane shitfest manufactured by a person named Chris Ruffo. FACTUALLY: CRT is not and never has been taught as a subject in any American high school. Its not even an undergraduate class and any university. It gets mentioned in some classes and that's all. It was only an area of post graduate study trying to ask a very legitimate question: WHY are African Americans, despite all the changes and programs, still at the bottom of the socio-economic scale? Part of that was considering: Are there some racial issues ingrained in "the system" that are not being addressed. We should be asking similar questions here in Australia about our indigenous peoples. Despite all the programs, why aren't they doing better? Its a legitimate question. What Chris Ruffo did was take CRT and flip it into a shitfest of hysterical nonsense. He was confronted about his lies. He made no secret he didn't care about facts. He wanted to win at the midterms and didn't care what it took. So long as the right won nothing else mattered. So CRT might look like a woke subject and its certainly a subject about inequality and disparity, but the public hysteria is a right wing construct done by narcissistic sociopath.
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@readmycomment3707 There's actually a nuanced line there. There are times when people do need a helping hand to get up and go. There's no point arguing that because at some point everyone needs a helping hand. BUT and I think this is your point. If you keep handing out to any particular group they become lazy. You see it among the children of wealth. They don't have to work to gain what their parents or grandparents had to work for and they get lazy. Also some people define their lives by their cause. To win that fight or struggle also means losing the soapbox they stand on. For most people that's great they get on with their life BUT for others its a disaster because they just lost their soapbox. For those people the struggle meant nothing while preaching to others and leading a cause was everything. I see it among the Greenies all the time. they will sabotage their cause instead of winning so they can keep on protesting. It sounds ridiculous, but just watch them for a while.
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Sorry but this is some of the most ignorant shit I have ever heard and I mean ignorant in that he ignores basic reality. He's IGNORING that he's describing and criticising EVERY socio-political ideology when they go too far. If you took this speech and replaced the words woke and wokeism with conservative & conservatism or left & leftism or right & rightism or ANY OTHER socio-political ideology its exactly the same speech. This is 9 minutes and 12 seconds of political clichéd BULLSHlT that could easily describe every political movement in history. For a couple of people who think this kid has a bright future look at the recently elected American George Santos who has lied about everything in his life. He won the election doing EXACTLY what Tommy Nguyen has done here take the standard tribal political line and tell it to a willing audience. What the real debate should be "This House Believes Political Tribalism Has Gone Too Far"
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Sorry but this is some of the most ignorant shit I have ever heard and I mean ignorant in that he ignores basic reality. He's IGNORING that he's describing and criticising EVERY socio-political ideology when they go too far. If you took this speech and replaced the words woke and wokeism with conservative & conservatism or left & leftism or right & rightism or ANY OTHER socio-political ideology its exactly the same speech. This is 9 minutes and 12 seconds of political clichéd BULLSHlT that could easily describe every political movement in history. For a couple of people who think this kid has a bright future look at the recently elected American George Santos who has lied about everything in his life. He won the election doing EXACTLY what Tommy Nguyen has done here take the standard tribal political line and tell it to a willing audience. What the real debate should be "This House Believes Political Tribalism Has Gone Too Far"
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Sorry but this is some of the most ignorant shit I have ever heard and I mean ignorant in that he ignores basic reality. He's IGNORING that he's describing and criticising EVERY socio-political ideology when they go too far. If you took this speech and replaced the words woke and wokeism with conservative & conservatism or left & leftism or right & rightism or ANY OTHER socio-political ideology its exactly the same speech. This is 9 minutes and 12 seconds of political clichéd BULLSHlT that could easily describe every political movement in history. For a couple of people who think this kid has a bright future look at the recently elected American George Santos who has lied about everything in his life. He won the election doing EXACTLY what Tommy Nguyen has done here take the standard tribal political line and tell it to a willing audience. What the real debate should be "This House Believes Political Tribalism Has Gone Too Far"
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Sorry but this is some of the most ignorant shit I have ever heard and I mean ignorant in that he ignores basic reality. He's IGNORING that he's describing and criticising EVERY socio-political ideology when they go too far. If you took this speech and replaced the words woke and wokeism with conservative & conservatism or left & leftism or right & rightism or ANY OTHER socio-political ideology its exactly the same speech. This is 9 minutes and 12 seconds of political clichéd BULLSHlT that could easily describe every political movement in history. For a couple of people who think this kid has a bright future look at the recently elected American George Santos who has lied about everything in his life. He won the election doing EXACTLY what Tommy Nguyen has done here take the standard tribal political line and tell it to a willing audience. What the real debate should be "This House Believes Political Tribalism Has Gone Too Far"
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