Comments by "Tony Wilson" (@tonywilson4713) on "Konstantin Kisin: Woke Culture HAS Gone Too Far - 7/8 | Oxford Union" video.

  1. Actually this is some of the worst I have seen him do. WTF did climate change have to do with any of this debate other than ABSOLUTELY NOTHING? But then he was better than James Lindsey who was just a pompous clown. I started watching Triggernometry about 2 years ago and I thought it was pretty damn brilliant. They had on a variety of (as they put it) "interesting people for interesting conversations." How I found the channel was their talk with Mark Blyth the Scott who's at Brown U. in America. A couple of months back they had on Andrew Doyle who spoke about the "Language Puritans" and that was awesome. There's some of the woke stuff I find repulsive but Andrew Doyle simply cut it to pieces. I'm pretty much agree that Wokeism (as it is at the moment) has gone too far or at least some within that side have gone too far. Especially with those who are trying to force language, like Andrew Doyle pointed out. So why TF has Konstantin gone off on this climate change thing? And its not the first time I have seen him take cheap shots at Greta Thunberg. I don't know what his bug with her is but trolling a teenage girl is fairly SHlT behaviour. And you need to ask WHY?
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  2. The exact same thing can be said of those people on the political right. A really smart debate would be "This House Believes Political Tribalism Has Gone Too Far." The guy who went second Tommy Nguyen. You could swap the words woke and wokeism out of his speech with right and rightism and it would have made the same amount of sense. All the things he was critical of are also done by the Political Right. This is the shittiest aspect of political debate these days. They all accuse the other side of doing exactly what they do - stifling debate, cancelling people, playing endless word games and making bad faith arguments just to name a few things.
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  3. I'll give you an example of a valid point that then missed the target. Konstantin pointed out the poor people of Asia and South America. Forgetting that he also ignored the poor of Africa he argued Britain has no influence. That is complete and utter BULLSHlT and is the same crappy argument that's used here in Australia by the pro-coal lobby. I just saw (only yesterday) a very good documentary on the world wide tax evasion industry (see below). Its almost 90minutes long but totally worth the time. Part of it covers the City of London and why its such a massive part of the tax evasion industry. There's a really insidious part to the tax evasion industry that deprives poor countries of tax income they could use to develop. I can understand why Konstantin might not know this stuff because I didn't until yesterday. I knew that London is called the "London Laundromat" because of what it does, but I didn't know some of this stuff. Way back in 1066 when William the Conqueror invaded he DID NOT capture London, but negotiated a treaty that is still in place today almost 900 years later. The actual City of London is 1 square mile marked by the old city walls as they were in 1066. The treaty was that London would surrender to William the Conqueror BUT it would get to decide how it traded with the rest of the world. When computerised off shore banking came along they used that treaty in a very unusual way. A real human trader sitting at a desk in London could be making trades but the actual trade is regarded as happening on a computer somewhere else. They gave an example of bananas from Guatemala. A trader in London buys banana's in Guatemala for very low prices from the local peasants using a company registered in the Cayman's. That company then sells the bananas in America or Europe marked up like 100 times the price (sort of thing). There is no one doing any work in the Cayman's there's just a computer there being remotely accessed. The farmer is in Guatemala, the trader is in London and the customer is in New York, Paris,.... etc. The trader pays no tax on his work because its regarded as being done in the Cayman's. The company he works for pays no tax because their profit is regarded as being made in the Cayman's. The farmer is getting ripped off, the Guatemalan Government gets no tax income, the British people get no tax income and its because of a 900 year old treaty with obscure conditions written in very old English. So when Konstantin says Britain has no influence its garbage on so many levels its hard to consider if he's ignorant, stupid or deliberately obtuse. These countries are poor because countries like Britain are keeping them poor. This is the link to the documentary on Tax Evasion -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt6O3US9IE4
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  4. @Numero uno There is nothing new in politics, its all been going on since 2 brothers named Cain and Abel disagreed over the wheat and meat markets. I'll agree that this current from of wokeism is new in our lifetime as far as Western societies go but its not that much different to times like the French, Russian or Chinese revolutions or any of the other peasant revolts in Europe or the slave revolts in Ancient Rome. They were all peasant revolutions where a class of people felt (rightly or wrongly) that they were being victimised and repressed by an intolerant conservative aristocracy. You're also utterly wrong that the right don't "bend reality and warp logic to support false conclusions based on someone's feelings" or have you NOT seen any of what has happened in America. That whole January 6th thing was about a group of people with hurt feelings who felt they were wronged and had their reality bent out of shape with cocktail of Trumpism and Qanon. I suggest you step back and look at the basics of these things. The radicals on BOTH sides of politics have a number of similarities. They're intolerant and any view that does not comply with their world view. They believe they are wronged and are victims even when they are victimising someone else. They believe the ends justify the means irrespective of how ridiculous the means are.
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  5.  @Madonnalitta1  How do you know? You'd be right to say outside of the Bible there's no proof they existed, but also there's no proof they didn't exist. A guy named Abram (later Abraham) mentioned a lot in the same piece of literature was also thought to be a myth until they found archeological evidence in the 1970s proving he existed. They found his tax records and business records from his dealings with the Royal family of Ur (in modern day Iraq).
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  6.  @lowandodor1150  Tom Walker the English actor and comedian who portrays the fictional political commentator Jonathan Pie made the point in an interview that at times we need to shut up and listen tot he other side. I first watched KKs speech on his channel and then followed it back to Oxford to see WHAT THE CONTEXT WAS. Even though I found most of these 8 speakers crap from the start I sat through it all. Because every so often you need to shut up and and listen to people you don't agree with. Every so often they have facts you need to hear. People need to look up and check what people are actually saying a lot more instead of this echo chamber mentality so many have. Sometimes people you can't stand will say something you need to hear. Ugly as it is you'll find out what some basic truths are and/or you'll find out how facts are being manipulated and there's a staggering amount of manipulation going on these days. Its made so easy because people choose to live in echo chambers. Learn to sit through some of talks you don't like and fact check. Yeah it can be damn frustrating but you wont be ignorant of what some people are up to. .
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  7. Actually this is some of the worst I have seen him do. WTF did climate change have to do with any of this debate other than ABSOLUTELY NOTHING? But then he was better than James Lindsey who was just a pompous clown. I started watching Triggernometry about 2 years ago and I thought it was pretty damn brilliant. They had on a variety of (as they put it) "interesting people for interesting conversations." How I found the channel was their talk with Mark Blyth the Scott who's at Brown U. in America. A couple of months back they had on Andrew Doyle who spoke about the "Language Puritans" and that was awesome. There's some of the woke stuff I find repulsive but Andrew Doyle simply cut it to pieces. I'm pretty much agree that Wokeism (as it is at the moment) has gone too far or at least some within that side have gone too far. Especially with those who are trying to force language, like Andrew Doyle pointed out. So why TF has Konstantin gone off on this climate change thing? And its not the first time I have seen him take cheap shots at Greta Thunberg. I don't know what his bug with her is but trolling a teenage girl is fairly SHlT behaviour. And you need to ask WHY?
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  8.  @ericaeli3807  I totally agree on t=your James Lindsey remark. His talk was just utter nonsensical garbage. He was just as bad if not worse than Tommy Nguyen who's speech could have had ever instance of woke & wokeism replaced by right & rightism and NOTHING would have changed. Both of the gave almost 10 minutes of tribal political clichés. If this is where Oxford has gone too with debates, then Oxford has become the pompous clown house of elitist snobs that many think it always was. If I was scoring this it would have been a nil-all draw. Even when a couple of them made valid points they then threw away the chance to actually score. It was almost an hour and a half of what-a-bout. Nobody had a solution to anything and they all acted like excuses equate to substance.
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  9.  @piccalillipit9211  You might be interested in this documentary about how tax evasion gets done on an industrial scale out of the City of London using a 900 year old treaty. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt6O3US9IE4
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  10.  @piccalillipit9211  Shame - see if you can pick it up with a VPN. I'll try and give you a brief synopsis. There's a huge issue with the top 1% of humanity NOT paying any tax. At the same time the top 1% are squeezing the middle class harder and harder with increases in living costs while keeping wages frozen. That lack of tax income is also preventing many nations from using their institutions to lift their people out of poverty. At the center of the world's tax evasion industry is the City of London. Way back in 1066 when William the Conqueror invaded he stopped at London. A treaty was negotiated. the City of London surrendered but was allowed to conduct trade however it saw fit separate from the rest of England. That treaty is still in effect 900 years later. The actual City of London is 1 square mile delineated by the old walls from 1066. Under that 900 year old treaty the bankers in London get to decide where the business they are doing is regarded as having taken place. Its like the whole place is some magic black hole. They give an example of bananas grown in Guatemala and sold to America and Europe. The Trader in the City of London remotely accesses a computer in the Caymans to buy bananas very cheaply from farmers in Guatemala and then sells them at a massive profit to consumers in America and Europe. Nobody is actually in the Caymans. There's just a computer, but because of the treaty they can claim that the trade is done in the Cayman's which means the company making the profit pays NO TAX because their profit was made in the Cayman's not in London or in Guatemala. So the Guatemalans get little for their bananas and NO TAX from the actual deal. The British people get no tax either because according to the treaty no money was made in Britain. Even the trader who never left Britain can avoid tax because his work is regarded as having taken place in the Cayman's. There are 4 major hubs for this from of tax evasion (or avoidance as they call it) Switzerland, Singapore, Bermuda and the Cayman's. So Britain has influence over 1 (Singapore) and 100% control over 2 more. BUT it also has 100% control of another dozen or so island states across the world. This is why despite all the noise about the Panama Papers, Paradise papers and Pandor Papers went nowhere, because no laws were actually broken. With tax laws for international trade there's legal, illegal and a grey zone in between. That grey zone is the tax havens around the world controlled through the magic black hole that is the City of London. This is why Konstantin is so totally wrong about Britain having no ability to affect what happens with climate change. These countries are poor and will remain poor because the City of London keeps them poor by tax evasion or avoidance as they call it. The documentary says it all so much better.
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  11. @Numero uno Sunshine all philosophy is the bending of reality. Whatever is real philosophers will find a way to argue its something else. Conservatism has NEVER solved anything. All it has ever done is conserve the status quo of an elite minority and all that does is cause stagnation of a society which is in itself a problem NOT a solution. The fundamental issue I have with wokeism and the radical right these days is they both hijack any every public discussion they can and flip it into a culture war issue. They are both repulsively hypocritical.
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  12.  @publius5128  Sorry but to say the that (quoting your words) "right has little to no cultural power, little to no institutional power, and doesn't have the WEF and firms/companies like Blackrock and the CCP helping them with their subversions and efforts." IS ONE OF THE MOST IGNORANT CLAIMS I HAVE EVER SEEN because it completely IGNORES REALITY. Cultural power - WHO controls the mainstream media. Are you saying Rupert Murdoch and his friends have no cultural influence. Institutional Power - Are you really claiming that Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard, Yale,... etc have no institutional power. Do you know the majority of upper court judges come from Right wing education backgrounds? In American right now the Supreme court has 4 Harvard, 4 Yale and a Notre Dame. The political Right control most of the developed worlds court system and in many cases the higher positions in public service. I think the figure is that over 90% of Britain's bishops and military offices went to Oxford or Cambridge. The you claim the WEF (owned by a billionaire and Blackrock owned by another billionaire are NOT Politically Right and have no influence. FKING GARBAGE. The ignorant means a person who IGNORES and you are on of the most ignorant people I have ever encountered.
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  13.  @bobross3781  ARE YOU FARKING SERIOUS?? Where are people on the right shutting out people on the left??? How about every media outlet the Rupert Murdoch Controls or has influence over? How about the other right wing media outlets controlled by or influenced by other billionaires around the world? How about every outlet controlled by a right wing government around the world? You farking clowns on the right whining about what you people do every day is so DAMN PATHETIC.
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  14.  @bobross3781  I'll give you another area where you farking right whiners endlessly complain - EDUCATION. Absolutely the Left have an overbearing influence on social sciences and YES it needs to be dealt with. I WILL AGREE any day of the week with anyone from the right that the Left have way too much influence on social science education. BUT THEN YOU have to agree that the Right have too much influence in respect to Economics, Business and Law education. FYI - I did aerospace engineering and in my humanities options I did classes in Economics, Psychology and Sociology AND SAW BOTH SIDES and what they do.
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  15.  @bobross3781  The stupid part of his comment is that there are just as many on the Far Right who'd do EXACTLY the same thing. That's the really shitty aspect of current tribal politics. Every screaming twit and clown is accusing the other side of EXACTLY what they do or like to do. My way of describing all the tribal clowns is that they only want one thing. "I want the freedom to strip you of your freedom!" or some variation of it. American Libertarians put it: "I want the liberty to strip you of your liberty!" Woke clowns put it: "I demand the equal rights to strip you of your equal rights!"
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  16.  @lowandodor1150  I found them all pompous, just some of them more pompous than others. Overall I felt if this is the current standard of Oxford then the place is seriously overrated. If you want to see the arrogance in KK's attitude than go look at how he's promoted his speech over on Triggernometry. He's pushed it as the greatest ever speech against wokeism and he mostly talked about climate change and cancelling out Greta Thunberg. What it shows is that she's really hit a raw nerve with the fossil fuel billionaires. She must scare them in a way Green Peace doesn't. Why else would they attack her through proxies like this? I find it a bit sad because at the start of the War in Ukraine KK was on a BBC panel and was 11 out of 10 brilliant. He was so far in front of the rest of that panel if it had been scored none of them would have done better than 1 or maybe 2 out of 10. But when he's on this CATO Institute line he's a complete fraud. There's dozens of people who'd shred this nonsense.
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  17.  @lowandodor1150  You clearly have NO idea on what the CATO Institute actually is or how it and other major American Think Tanks operate. So you are just plain wrong on that. On the BBC it wasn't that he could simply speak Russian. He understands the culture and how that affects the way they operate. You're absolutely right on the Oxford attitude thing. As I said previously. If this is the standard of Oxford these days then as an institution its seriously overrated. BUT you're clearly a James Lindsey fan and that's biased your views on his speech just as much as other people are biased on the other speakers. You don't have to watch the vids just look at the comments. Your ATTITUDE to not even considering looking at anything else also shows your bias.
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  18.  @ericaeli3807  The woke have no skin in the climate debate they are all on social issues. Proof of that is NO ONE else even mentioned it in this debate and yeah I watched all 8 of them. That's just BULLSHlT projection from people on the right. Clowns like that maggot Marian Tupy from the CATO institute they had on Triggernometry a few months ago.
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  19. @J van Sevenhoven One of the mistakes a lot of people think is the world is run by baby boomers AND ITS NOT. The world is run by a small bunch of war babies. People born before, during or just after World War 2. They all should have retired years ago but wont. They refuse to let go of the power they amassed. Other than a few exceptions who they have mentored, they regard you me and every other generation since to be uncappable of running anything or making any decisions. If you want to criticise her for claiming its all white men then fine, some of them are not white and some are not men. 2 examples of women who refused to let go and retire were Elizabeth Queen of England and Ruth Bader Ginsberg.
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  20. Actually this is some of the worst I have seen him do. WTF did climate change have to do with any of this debate other than ABSOLUTELY NOTHING? But then he was better than James Lindsey who was just a pompous clown. I started watching Triggernometry about 2 years ago and I thought it was pretty damn brilliant. They had on a variety of (as they put it) "interesting people for interesting conversations." How I found the channel was their talk with Mark Blyth the Scott who's at Brown U. in America. A couple of months back they had on Andrew Doyle who spoke about the "Language Puritans" and that was awesome. There's some of the woke stuff I find repulsive but Andrew Doyle simply cut it to pieces. I'm pretty much agree that Wokeism (as it is at the moment) has gone too far or at least some within that side have gone too far. Especially with those who are trying to force language, like Andrew Doyle pointed out. So why TF has Konstantin gone off on this climate change thing? And its not the first time I have seen him take cheap shots at Greta Thunberg. I don't know what his bug with her is but trolling a teenage girl is fairly SHlT behaviour. And you need to ask WHY?
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  21.  @Vin_Venture896  I don't know if he's a grifter like the typical Fox/Sky types, but I think the final part of your comment is 100% accurate. There's certainly been a change at Triggernometry with favoritism to right wing radicals or at least towards people who are against what he calls woke culture. When his masters want he pumps out their narrative. If you consider Greta Thunberg and ask what's she really saying. "You older people are leaving us a mess to clean up. We should be enjoying our childhood and are instead scared of the mess we'll have to deal with." THAT'S A LEGITIMATE CONCERN for anyone her age. So why, when they had Marian Tupy on, were they trolling a teenage girl concerned about her future. Why do the Murdoch media troll her with claims she's mentally unstable or mentally retarded? Marian Tupy works at the CATO Institute funded by fossil fuel billionaires like Charles Koch and Robert Mercer. They have an agenda to cancel out anything that might interfere with their profits.
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  22.  @war_designer8763  Nice way to prove you are mathematically illiterate. 19 is spelt nineTEEEN. Anyone who is 19 is a teenager by definition. 🤦‍♂🤦‍♂🤦‍♂🤦‍♂
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  23.  @bossycoconut847  that's a very good assessment of where Konstantin is at the moment. Go look at his channel Triggernometry. They claim to be a channel for "interesting discussions with interesting" people AND for a time they were AND they really did have on some great people and occasionally still do. Their recent interview with Andrew Doyle on his book about hijacking language (4 months ago) is worth watching. But recently they have more often been a stage for a variety of very loud very FAR RIGHT antagonists like Nigel Farage. They do promos for Farage's financial services firm. That means they are taking money from him. Notably they had on Marian Tupy from the American CATO Institute which is a fossil fuel billionaire funded hyper far right libertarian think tank. CATO is one of the main propaganda outlets for people like Charles Koch and Robert Mercer's. In that interview they took some nasty shots at Greta Thunberg which he's also done here. Its got to be asked why TF is he taking shots at a teenage girl who's all about climate change and as far as I know never said squat on wokeism.
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  24.  @war_designer8763  Thir-TEEN Four-TEEN Fif-TEEN Six-TEEN Seven-TEEN Eigh-TEEN Nine-TEEN Learn to count DlCKHEAD!
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  25.  @MarkRiles1  Can you and a few other M0R0NS actually listen. I haven't said anything about criticising what Great Thunberg says. What I am criticising people like Konstantin for is HOW they criticise her. They after her personally and that's the shitty thing. They do that is because they have nothing to go after factually. When she pointed out the absurdity of infinite economic growth she was 100% right. NOT ONE critic challenged that because they can't. When she said should she shouldn't be in New York but back in school they didn't criticise that because she was right. That's why she scares them and they go after her personally. She has said a number of very basic simple facts they can't argue with.
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