Comments by "Tony Wilson" (@tonywilson4713) on "The Rise of the Moors: ‘We Want Our Own Nation’" video.

  1. AUSTRALIAN HERE: Yeah it took me only a few minutes to start realising this is yet another variant of the sovereign citizen movement that's plaguing America. The reason I point out I'm Australian is that we are just starting to see sovereign citizen groups pop up here. Only yesterday I watched a video here on the YT channel Van Balion (posted 18 Aug 2024) about an Australian quoting US Law to Australian cops. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so serious. Like most people I get that our governments (via the mainstream parties) have completely failed and that's in part due to them being owned by our super wealthy. We all sort of know they don't give a damn about our collective future, but that doesn't mean you have to lose your mind and be stupid about it. This is why there's the current political upheaval across the parts of Europe (and other places). There's the outright rejection of centrist established parties with people flocking to all sorts of parties on the more radical Right but also the radical Left. We even have that emerging here in Australia. Its actually important to understand that THIS IS NOT simply an America problem. Look at the woman they interview - Julisa. Typical of sovereign citizens she claims that we are being told a "false history" and she complains about the narrative of Black History month. YET, she (like many sovereign citizens) is just making up a narrative to suit what she wants. Like many she also claims to know the Law. Clearly they don't understand reality but they do know how to use the law to confuse or intimidate people. Like many she uses terms like "lack of understanding" but claims to belong to an empire that no longer exists. Its as stupid as someone in Europe claiming their government has nothing on them because they belong to the Roman Empire or Greek Empire. This is similar to claims by various Asian peoples over what's theirs in places like the South China Sea. Europe or the Middle East claiming they still belong to the Roman Empire or Greek Empire or Persian Empire. The most absurd claim by sovereign citizens is that the courts have no authority over them, but then they use those same courts to harass and intimidate people. This is the real mental health crisis. People losing faith in society and then latching onto whatever idea they like. There's nothing really new to this. In times of crisis people latch onto whatever hope of a better future they can. This has been going on for 1,000s of years.
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  2.  @Wack-Sabbath  Nice background information, but you have completely missed the point with this particular section of the "New Moors." They are NOT as you put it wanting "to go back to Africa at a time before colonialism" because they have STAYED in America and made claims that parts of America are actually part of the long gone Moorish Empire. As I said earlier these claims are as stupid and ignorant AS IF someone arrived in Europe and made claims they own certain lands because they are citizens of the Roman or Greek Empire. Can you imagine if someone with a round Asiatic face suddenly turned up in Beijing, Tashkent, Tehran, Mumbai or any other of dozens of places and proclaimed they owned the place because they are descended from the Mongol Empire? These people are re-writing history to suit themselves with NO VERIFIABLE FACTS. Have any of them done a genetic test to even see if they are actually descended from West African people who were actually part of the Moorish peoples?
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  3.  @Richard-vt3jb  I think you will find that EVERY culture on the planet has at some point engaged in some from of slavery. Its just more obvious in some cases like with the slave trade to the Americas. If you go and watch either of the versions of "Roots" you'll find that Kunte Kinte was captured by Black African natives and sold to the white slave traders. Yes its a semi-fictional example but it illustrates how EVERY culture has at some point enslaved portions of their own people or people from other nations and tribes.
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  4.  @Wack-Sabbath  What they are referring to as "cosplay" isn't that the Moorish Empire did not exist or that these people have made it up. As you point out the Moorish Empire existed just as the Roman, Mongol and other empires existed. The cosplay reference is that these people have hijacked the labels "Moor" and "Moorish" put on some hats and then claimed they are Moors and represent the history of the Moors.
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  5.  @Wack-Sabbath  Another comment below sums this up well "People reinventing history for their own benefit is never good."
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  6. ​ @Wack-Sabbath  Buddy now you are speaking COMPLETE GARBAGE and you are making stuff up. The whole point is that these people HAVE MADE UP THIS NARRATIVE. There's NO PROOF AT ALL that they are Moors or the descendants of Moors. The term Moor is of European origin from the middle ages and refers to the Muslims of NORTH Africa and specifically the Berbers of Morocco and those Muslims who once occupied the Iberian Peninsula (Spain & Portugal). It doesn't take anyone any time to simply fact check the term Moor to realise that historically it NEVER APPLIED to West Africa and NEVER included the regions as far south as the Gold Coast or Nigeria. SO STOP SPEAKING GARBAGE there's already enough in this story. These people have just created this narrative out of thin air. That's the part people are saying is cosplay.
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  7.  @GAZ87YORKSHIRESALT  I'm not English DlCKHEAD, but I am of Anglo-Saxon heritage. Then again Britain was invaded by so many over such a long time and had so many tribes but their stamps on Britain its hard to even classify what "being British" actually means. Fun facts The Angles come from Southern Denmark. The Saxons from Saxony which is part of Germany? All those very British towns ending with "by" like Whitby, Northby,...etc. are actually Viking towns. The "by" means village. Then there's the places founded by the Romans like Bath. The Normans who invaded in 1066 weren't French but were actually Vikings who'd settled in France. The word Norman comes from Northmen. Then there's the actual Bretons, and their offshoots like Welsh, Gaels, Celts, Manx, Cornish and others. And one of my favorites the British Royal Family's real name isn't Windsor its Saxe-Coburg and Gotha because that was Prince Alberts (q. Victoria's husband) family name, but someone didn't think that would be a good name for the British Royal family so they went with Windsor. Go look at the Wikipedia page for "House of Windsor." Yeah sorry but we study a lot of British history in Australia or at least did when I went to High School. 200 years of our own doesn't compare to over 2,000 years. And then we've also had those BBC documentary series by people like Simon Sharma shown here. Some of those are very flattering on our cultural heritage.
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  8. Its not really different to many other disenfranchised people who are trying to find their place in the world. They're just doing it (like many other sovereign citizen types) in a really stupid way. Have any of them even done a genetic test to see if they are actually descended from any part of the Moorish empire? As for the claim the Americas were once part of the Moorish Empire. Considering how much territory they are claiming there would be some sort of archeological evidence and there's NONE.
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