Comments by "Tony Wilson" (@tonywilson4713) on "Secular Talk"
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I'm an Australian engineer but actually graduated from U. Illinois (late 80s - aerospace). Ironically this and many other issues is all the fault of one of Chicago person.
Sorry for the longish answer.
A couple years ago I started to take more serious look at economics. I'd done Econ 101 as an option and regarded the whole subject as a joke. But eventually I had to accept that Economists have incredible influence. As an engineer I got tired of being asked "What's the business case for that?" or "Who's going to pay for that?" and no matter the answer its never enough. I eventually realised its always from people with economics backgrounds. Even those with business degrees have a core of economics education and certain things are hardwired into that education.
So I chose to learn about them so I might have a chance of dealing with them.
The person at fault is Milton Freidman the famous University of Chicago Professor, who's theories became the foundation of Reaganomics and Thatcherism that we now call neoliberalism. Its been adopted across the entire Western World. His solution to every problem was free market capitalism combined with small government. Its been preached without challenge (or so little its irrelevant) to 4 generations of Western civilisation - boomers, gen -x, millennials and Zoomers. I say preach not teach quite deliberately because anyone who questions free market capitalism is treated like a heretic.
If you look at almost any Western Nation right now there are serious issues with basic services and infrastructure. It varies from place to place, but its the same root cause - Milton Freidman's ideology. He had some great lines like "Greed is good" but his line about "Corporations have no other obligation but to deliver profits to owners" that's at the center of these problems. Don't forget that energy, water, waste water, roads, bridges, transportation,... etc are all engineered systems. All the rest of you just assume that us engineers can just deliver this stuff. People are so accustomed to turning on a tap or flipping a light switch they never consider what it takes to make that happen. You all assume we are listened to by management, but we aren't. We constantly get pushback with those 2 questions "What's the business case for that?" or "Who's going to pay for that?" and no answer is ever good enough.
Remember Ronald Reagans famous catch cry "Government isn't the solution. Government is the problem." That was pure Milton Friedman philosophy. Another of his lines is "free markets are the most efficient way to run society" has shaped many government decisions IRRESPECTIVE of the the political ideology of those in charge. Don't forget that all the basic economics classes are the same with text books out of Harvard, Yale, Princeton,... etc. So even the most lefty government is riddled with economists all trained in free market economics.
In my home state of Victoria it was a Left Wing government that sold off the train system and the power stations. They told us the same line everyone hears: "free market competition will provide better services and lower costs to consumers." * BUT how can that be true when the corporations who have just bought those public assets have "no other obligation than to deliver profits to their owners?"* We now have to subsidise those corporations who bought our rail system. Our power bills are up over 400% and we have our own version of the energy crisis.
The problem is Milton Freidman was WRONG and it should have been obvious that he was WRONG, but to question his ideology and its offspring of Reaganomics and Thatcherism is to labelled a heretic.
I hate to see this happen to Chicago but it was a Chitown native who brought this shite down upon us all.
Sorry for the long answer.
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Because none of them want to admit that she lost, because they hold onto the fact she won the popular vote.
But they keep forgetting that's NOT what its about.
Think of it like a football game.
One team keeps marching down the field again and again. Out of 10 possessions they get 1 touchdown, 6 field goals, but throw 1 interception.
The other team truly sucks. They are a rambling mess of bad calls, penalties and fumbles.
They struggle on D giving up yards, 1st downs and points, but somehow they turn that 1 interception into a pick 6.
Their O is even worse than their D. They can't move the ball, they fumble and get called for holding again and again. Their QB is sacked 5 times and gets picked off 4 times but somehow they manage to score 3 touchdowns off some gimmick plays and Hail Mary's. They suck so bad their kicker not only missed a couple of critical field goals but also missed 2 extra points on bad snaps, bad holds and bad kicking.
WHO WON THE GAME.
Was it the team with more first downs, more yards, more interceptions, fewer mistakes, better kicking and a flashy superstar QB?
Or was it the team with 26 points instead of 25?
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@mrsandmrbutterfly You might like this if you dislike Citizens United. It was first posted by someone else a while back. Its truly awesome in that it was written 2 years before Trump was even born and yet it describes this moment perfectly. It was written by someone who saw the destruction brought by people lie Mussolini, Hitler and Stalin and it also means American's like Trump have been around for some time. (edit) the highlights are mine.
Henry A. Wallace, Vice President of the United States in the New York Times, April 9, 1944 “The really dangerous American fascist... is the man who wants to do in the United States in an American way what Hitler did in Germany in a Prussian way. The American fascist would prefer not to use violence. His method is to poison the channels of public information. With a fascist the problem is never how best to present the truth to the public but how best to use the news to deceive the public into giving the fascist and his group more money or more power... They claim to be super-patriots, but they would destroy every liberty guaranteed by the Constitution. They demand free enterprise, but are the spokesmen for monopoly and vested interest. Their final objective, toward which all their deceit is directed, is to capture political power so that, using the power of the state and the power of the market simultaneously, they may keep the common man in eternal subjection.”
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Somebody needs to ask Mark Levin the following Question:
When did BLM, ANTIFA, Democrats, 1960s counter culture hippies, tree hugging Kumbaya singing environmentalists, Occupy Wall Street, Lafayette Park or any other protesters storm the capitol, kill a police officer, tear down the American flag and replace it with another flag?
For anyone interested please feel free to copy that question and post it anywhere you like.
Someone else first directed me to this quote by Vice POTUS Wallace, who was alive when Mussolini, Hitler and Stalin were in power to personally see what those sorts of people are like. the 2 highlights about method and patriotism are mine.
Henry A. Wallace, Vice President of the United States in the New York Times, April 9, 1944 “The really dangerous American fascist... is the man who wants to do in the United States in an American way what Hitler did in Germany in a Prussian way. The American fascist would prefer not to use violence. His method is to poison the channels of public information. With a fascist the problem is never how best to present the truth to the public but how best to use the news to deceive the public into giving the fascist and his group more money or more power... They claim to be super-patriots, but they would destroy every liberty guaranteed by the Constitution. They demand free enterprise, but are the spokesmen for monopoly and vested interest. Their final objective, toward which all their deceit is directed, is to capture political power so that, using the power of the state and the power of the market simultaneously, they may keep the common man in eternal subjection.”
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It gets way, way, way...... way worse than that.
Here's 3 points I have made several times in recent months.
POINT 1: Only 3 times in the last 4,500 years has anyone successfully invaded Persia (Iran) - Alexander the Great, Mohamed and Genghis Khan. Without doubt its one of the greatest homefield advantages on the planet.
POINT 2: Go and look at the basic geography of Modern Iran.
In the North East Mountains and borders with Iraq, Turkey, Armenia and Azerbaijan.
In the North The Caspian Sea with direct link to Russia.
In the North East Mountains and borders to Turkmenistan and Afghanistan.
SOUTH OF THAT is desert, desert and more desert and that's the only place that an invading force large enough to subdue 88 million people could land and set up a base of operations.
POINT 3: The population of Iraq was 25 million when America FAILED.
The population of Iran is 88.5 million more than 3 times the population of Iraq when America invaded.
There were experts (including Eric Shinseki) who told congress they'd need a force of 400,000 or so to SECURE (as in subdue) the Iraqi nation and its people. That was ignored and look what happened.
Based on Shinseki's estimate (who was an expert) you'd need a force of at least 1 million to land and then subdue those 88.5 million Iranians.
How many jets and ships would it take to move 1 million soldiers and support staff?
How would you feed those 1 million soldiers and support staff?
How would you provide fuel for all the Jets, Tanks, Trucks, Gensets and everything else you'd need?
Just the basic logistics makes invading Iran almost impossible and that should be obvious to anyone.
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I did aerospace engineering and back in 1987 we had an alum from NASA who did a guest lecture on Friday. He'd just completed a preliminary study into terraforming Mars and the answer was forget it.
Here's a slightly longer explanation. Sorry for the math.
What this NASA guy introduced us to was what I now call "Planetary Mechanics" which is how much stuff do you need. The sister to that is "Planetary Dynamics" which is how do you make stuff like water cycles and gas cycles and ocean currents work.
So how much Earth normal air would you need?
Sorry for the math.
Mars has a surface area of 144,370,000 km²
If you just wanted a 1 km thick layer of Earth standard air on an object that big its easy to approximate it as enough big cubes of air to cover and that's easy because you just change area to volume and you have 144,370,000 km³ of air. Earth standard air weighs 1.2kg/m³. To work out what that 144,370,000 km³ weighs in metric tons you add 9 zeros to convert m³ to km³ and then take off 3 zeros to convert kilograms to tons.
Yes this is why engineers like metric.
Finally you multiply by 1.2 because its 1.2 kg/m³
And then you get 173,244,000,000,000 tons of Earth standard air.
Yes that's a bit over 173 TRILLION tons of air.
The simple question is where are you going to find that much air. That's before you ask anything like how are you going to get it there or keep it attached tot he planet because Mars has only 1/3rd of Earths gravity and n magnetic field to stop the solar wind stripping it away.
There was this one bright spark who recently told me we'd only need the Oxygen (as in 1/5th) 🤔🤔
So I asked him where he thought he could get 34.6 TRILLION tons of Oxygen?
Now I will grant its not technically impossible, but unless you really do have God like powers, it is like trying to build a 1 to 1 scale model of Mount Everest out of Lego.
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Somebody needs to ask Mark Levin the following Question:
When did BLM, ANTIFA, Democrats, 1960s counter culture hippies, tree hugging Kumbaya singing environmentalists, Occupy Wall Street, Lafayette Park or any other protesters storm the capitol, kill a police officer, tear down the American flag and replace it with another flag?
For anyone interested please feel free to copy that question and post it anywhere you like.
Someone else first directed me to this quote by Vice POTUS Wallace, who was alive when Mussolini, Hitler and Stalin were in power to personally see what those sorts of people are like. the 2 highlights about method and patriotism are mine.
Henry A. Wallace, Vice President of the United States in the New York Times, April 9, 1944 “The really dangerous American fascist... is the man who wants to do in the United States in an American way what Hitler did in Germany in a Prussian way. The American fascist would prefer not to use violence. His method is to poison the channels of public information. With a fascist the problem is never how best to present the truth to the public but how best to use the news to deceive the public into giving the fascist and his group more money or more power... They claim to be super-patriots, but they would destroy every liberty guaranteed by the Constitution. They demand free enterprise, but are the spokesmen for monopoly and vested interest. Their final objective, toward which all their deceit is directed, is to capture political power so that, using the power of the state and the power of the market simultaneously, they may keep the common man in eternal subjection.”
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@abexx8485 I think you are absolutely dead right.
To her her base it will sound like the sweetest honey, but winning elections isn't about your base its about getting other people to vote for or support you.
The is the problem with a lot of people on both the Left and Right.
On the Left there are people who think if you have a few good ideas, hug some trees and sing Kumbaya in harmony then others will go "Yeah that's the answer" and join in.
On the Right there are people who think if you call out to their savior whether its Jesus, the Prophet or Money with the right amount of passion and conviction then others will go "Yeah that's the answer" and join in.
This is why Reagan won, Bush won, Clinton won, Bush 2.0 won, Obama won and I hate to say it but why Trump won. It wasn't that they appealed to their base. They were able to appeal to other people well enough to win.
This is something that Hilary Clinton FAILED TO DO. Instead of going to Michigan and meeting people and at least implying cared. She stayed in New York and did fund raisers with the executives who made the decisions to move factories out of Michigan, Ohio & Pennsylvania to China, Mexico, Texas and other places.
Anyone who was awake could see how that was going to work out. If the results of Michigan, Ohio and Penn are reversed then Hilary wins.
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ENGINEER HERE: Sorry for the long comment.
1) There was always going to be an energy transition. Ever since the industrial revolution we have had some sort of transition (or major upgrade) around every 50 years because that's the approximate lifetime of most large scale energy systems like power stations. Nothing we built lasts. When it wears out it needs replacing. Normally transitions happen when we build the next power station or next fleet of trains or ships or planes. For example there was the transition from coal to diesel for trains and ships. After WW2 there was the transition from piston engines to jet engines in the airline industry. Bottom line is we don't build what we did 50 years earlier. So there's always the transitions going on.
2) This transition is vastly different from previous transitions because we have had a lot of INTERFERENCE. The worst have been ECONOMISTS mostly operating out of central banks and think tanks. Economists have been closely followed by Lawyers and Greenies. Lawyers because they interfere in anything and everything they can and Greenies because even though they mean well they are basically ignorant of what's PRACTICAL.
What none of the Economists, Lawyers or Greenies get is that their interference HAS DELAYED the transition and during that delay all the energy infrastructure including the power stations got older and older. Power stations are physically big complex lumps of hardware that cannot simply be replaced by dialling up Amazon. Most take close to a decade to plan, design, approve and construct. nuclear power stations are even worse. Hinkley Point C in Britain took 7 years to design and approve and will take another 10 to construct - 17 years in total.
Here in Australia we have done what other places like California, Britain and Germany to name a few places. We have been turning OFF OLD power stations (6 so far). We have not replaced 1 of them and have not a single plan to replace them up for discussion. You can't simply go putting up windmills and solar panels to replace that stuff. You can't simply say build nuclear as many have been saying. YOU HAVE TO PLAN IT or it becomes the stuff ups we've all been experiencing.
This is the real reason for the energy crisis. The interference by Economists, Lawyers and Greenies in moving forwards. And so we are clear the lawyers and economists are bought and paid for by various business interests.
3) We simply don't have enough stuff to do the energy transition. Engineers like Simon Michaux and others have tried explaining this people. We simply don't have enough of what's needed (Lithium, Cobalt, Copper,... etc) to replace the 1,500,000,000 (YES 1.5 BILLION) cars that exist in the world. PLUS making a car requires a lot of energy. You have to dig stuff out of the ground, then process it, then send it to a refinery, then send it to a factory or to a string of factories as it progresses through the supply chain. Cars are made of various metals, various plastics, different cloths and glass AND ALL THAT STUFF REQUIRES ENERGY. After the 1.5Billion cars there's the trucks, buses, ships and airplanes. After all that there's still all those consumer good you all want. Like the computer you are on RIGHT NOW.
Because of all the interference, some of it by well meaning people, we are not getting through this.
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Here's a great quote from former VPOTUS Henry Wallace. Its significant for several reasons. It was written 2 years before Trump was born so it wasn't written about him but it perfectly describes him. Look at what he said about method and then consider what Trump has done for 4 years. Not only was it said by someone alive when Mussolini, Hitler & Stalin were alive it also means they saw Americans like Trump in their day. That means America has dealt with Trump like clowns before and found a way to get past them, fix the mess they leave and move on.
Here's the quote, someone else shared it with me, so share it around and let people know America has dealt with Trump like clowns before. Best to all.
Henry A. Wallace, Vice President of the United States in the New York Times, April 9, 1944 “The really dangerous American fascist... is the man who wants to do in the United States in an American way what Hitler did in Germany in a Prussian way. The American fascist would prefer not to use violence. His method is to poison the channels of public information. With a fascist the problem is never how best to present the truth to the public but how best to use the news to deceive the public into giving the fascist and his group more money or more power... They claim to be super-patriots, but they would destroy every liberty guaranteed by the Constitution. They demand free enterprise, but are the spokesmen for monopoly and vested interest. Their final objective, toward which all their deceit is directed, is to capture political power so that, using the power of the state and the power of the market simultaneously, they may keep the common man in eternal subjection.”
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@elizabethellis9062 Keep going and going. History tells us that political leadership has been nothing but one long progression of the worst of humanity. Occasionally someone pops up who honestly tries to make their nation/state a better place for everyone, but the sad fact is politics attracts the worst of humanity like a dog turn attracts flies.
It might be the one thing Trump said that we can all agree on. Washington is a swamp, but then so is Moscow, Beijing, Riyad, Tehran, London, Paris, Brussels, Canberra, Ottawa and every other political centre.
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I thought of something to bring some perspective on the Gaza issue.
There are approximately 1,800 people working in the Whitehouse.
If each of them were to go out and shoot 8 children they would in total kill 14,400 children.
Can you imagine the reaction that if ONE person who worked in the Whitehouse suddenly killed 8 children. Maybe it wont be that much. After all the everyone seems to have forgotten events like Columbine, Georgia Tech, Sandy Hook and Uvalde.
The Israeli Defence force has killed more than 15,000 children in Gaza. Nobody will know what any of them might have become. Any that might have become doctors, teachers, engineers, fathers, mothers or any other normal occupation or endeavor will NOT. We'll never know just as we'll never know what those children from Columbine, Sandy Hook or Uvalde might have become.
Maybe we have become so accustomed to the slaughter of children that another 15,000 doesn't matter so long as the right political messages are sent and the right companies can make money from it.
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Somebody needs to ask Mark Levin the following Question:
When did BLM, ANTIFA, Democrats, 1960s counter culture hippies, tree hugging Kumbaya singing environmentalists, Occupy Wall Street, Lafayette Park or any other protesters storm the capitol, kill a police officer, tear down the American flag and replace it with another flag?
For anyone interested please feel free to copy that question and post it anywhere you like.
Someone else first directed me to this quote by Vice POTUS Wallace, who was alive when Mussolini, Hitler and Stalin were in power to personally see what those sorts of people are like. the 2 highlights about method and patriotism are mine.
Henry A. Wallace, Vice President of the United States in the New York Times, April 9, 1944 “The really dangerous American fascist... is the man who wants to do in the United States in an American way what Hitler did in Germany in a Prussian way. The American fascist would prefer not to use violence. His method is to poison the channels of public information. With a fascist the problem is never how best to present the truth to the public but how best to use the news to deceive the public into giving the fascist and his group more money or more power... They claim to be super-patriots, but they would destroy every liberty guaranteed by the Constitution. They demand free enterprise, but are the spokesmen for monopoly and vested interest. Their final objective, toward which all their deceit is directed, is to capture political power so that, using the power of the state and the power of the market simultaneously, they may keep the common man in eternal subjection.”
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@boneseyyl1060 Your absolutely right and I have argued those very points a lot during the 18 or so months.
I studied both 1984 and Animal Farm in high school. I hated 1984, as a 16year old it was just ghastly, but thanks to Trump its useful.
I have mentioned the French, Russian, Cambodian and American revolutions often. They all have one thing in common in that they were fundamentally peasant revolutions as in the farmers, & laborers rose up and threw of regimes that operated in absolute terms.
Most Americans disagree that the American Revolution was a peasant revolution like others because America is a very right orientated nation, but if you look at what they were against and why the Bill of Rights has what it has and is what it is the American Revolution was fundamentally a revolt against right wing totalitarian rule. There's actually a good example of it in the film "last of the Mohicans" where the colonel Munro's daughter argues with about the fate of Hawkeye who's been condemned to hand for sedition. She said "you haven't given him a trail" ha basically answered. "I'm the kings representative and my word is absolute. He went against my word, that's sedition and he'll hang."
Sadly most revolutions end up replacing one bad thing with something worse. The French let Robespierre lose and he gave them the "Reign of Terror." The Russians got rid of the Czar and got Stalin. China, North Korea its the same story again and again. Human politics really is a place of "wash-rinse-repeat". America nearly broke that cycle with the Constitution and for 240 years (1776-2016) that had it.
I actually think (even as an Australian) that the US Constitution is one of the greatest achievements in human history. Every other constitution has baggage like ours is full of old British crap. The founding fathers were brilliant in all they did except for 1 thing. The y never considered that Mitch McConnell would exist. The House runs the Country, The Whitehouse is the executive and the Senate is there to CHECK that the other 2 are doing things in a proper way. Look at what's happened since McConnell got unlimited power and subverted what the Senates job is. The Supreme Court has been undermined, the rest of the judiciary has been undermined and since Trump was let off from his impeachment without even a wave of a finger he's been out of control and its cost 1000s and 1000s of lives.
I really do hope America gets past this without too much damage.
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@zasterheffor Great comment - you've hit one of the major problems in the world right now. We are overly dominated by economics and economic thinking AND the problem with that is how the majority of those people with economics degrees are taught.
I spent a chunk of my COVID time looking into economics because I'm tired of having idiots with economics degrees beat me down with "What's the business case for that?" or "Who's going to pay for that?" I just wanted to be able to counter their arguments and what I found was there's an entire different school of thought lead by people like Mark Blyth, Stephanie Kelton, Warren Mosler, Peter Zeihan, etc. When I first heard Stephanie Kelton I thought "this chick is bonkers mad" and then Mark Blyth interviewed her over her book "the deficit myth" which I finally got hold of recently and have just started after finishing Angrynomics.
They are right we have all been bluffed by a magical shell game where the top 1% get everything they want and the rest of us pay for it. To get that done 3 colleges dominate the Western world Harvard, yale & U. Chicago with assistance from places like Oxford, Cambridge, Stanford and here in Australia - Melbourne U., U. Sydney and ANU (in Canberra). In the 90s we started privatising our energy industry and its ends up delivering the energy crisis we now have. We outsourced our manufacturing to China and during COVID we couldn't get stuff. Our water market was converted in an auction based system that has dramatically favoured corporatized ag and smashed traditional farm owners *and that was all DESIGNED by an Australian Harvard graduate who's a professor at Adelaide U."
You are so damn right the education system is geared to indoctrinating (not simply teaching) people with neo-liberal economics. And because all those people have ended up ADVISING governments everywhere its infected the entire Western World like a virus that induces cancer. Ask yourself - How many people the US congress (both fed & state) have Harvard, Yale, U. Chicago graduates or people whose teachers were Harvard, Yale or U. Chicago on their staff?
Jamie Kirchick graduated from Yale as did both Clintons.
Ted Cruz and both Obama's are from Harvard.
14 of the last 18 SCOTUS judges are Harvard or Yale as is the next judge.
America's real problem is the ugly triumvirate of Harvard, Yale and U. Chicago.
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Australian here: I went to college in America in the late 80s on a sports scholarship. I had a fabulous time with my only regrets being that I was too young to really appreciate it at the time and that I have lost contact with many of my friends there.
I studied aerospace engineering but a bunch of those friends were pre-law and often dragged me into their conversations. So I got a unusual education into the US Constitution. Prior to that my only study into political systems was Orwell (1984 & Animal Farm) so my only argument was that ANY country could fall into a totalitarian dictatorship (Right or Left) because that was Orwell's warning. It doesn't matter if you go to far Right or too far Left its the same result.
My friends used to argue (and they always won) that it was impossible for America to fall because it had a system of "Checks & Balances" built into the system that would never allow such a thing to happen to America. We never discussed the possibility that the system could fail, but then we never we never considered what the Federalist Society planned and executed. The American POLITICAL system revolves around the 3 pillars of the Executive (including the President) the house and the Senate. The American LEGAL system relies on the various layers to make sure that EVERY American is equally treated under the law.
The idea or concept that a small group created out of students at 3 universities (Harvard, Yale and U. Chicago) could (overtime) completely subvert the Supreme Court and use that along with there big money supporters to undermine the System of Checks & Balances and then re-write the Constitution wasn't simply unthinkable it wasn't even a concept under consideration.
Here's the crazy thing. The Federalist Society was founded in 1982 and it was already underway BEFORE my friends and I had any of those conversations. We didn't even know it existed let alone what its plans were, let alone that it would find billionaires willing to fund what they wanted.
Until America is willing to accept that it has been hijacked by a tiny group of people who have managed to suck tens of millions of people into their web of lies then America will remain a foundering ship in danger of sinking. The problem for the rest of the world is we, the human race, face some very big issues like climate change, wars, food shortages, water shortages,... etc. We DO NOT NEED America to solve these issues, but it becomes so much harder when America is what it is now.
Sorry for the long comment.
I do believe American Constitution is one of humanities finest achievements but right now its being undermined by some incredibly selfish people and it has global effects.
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“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”
― Isaac Asimov, News Week, 1980.
“Logic is an enemy and truth is a menace.” ― Rod Sterling in his introduction to the Twilight episode “The Obsolete Man” originally aired on June 2, 1961 on CBS.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.” ― Voltaire
“Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.” ― Aldous Huxley
“Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”
― Mark Twain
“Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed.”
― Friedrich Nietzsche
"When stupidity is considered patriotism, it is unsafe to be intelligent." ― Isaac Asimov
And 2 of the best:
“I think it would be very, very, I think we’d have a very, very solid, we would continue what we’re doing, we’d solidify what we’ve done, and we have other things on our plate that we want to get done” ― Donald Trump answering the NY Times on his 2nd term agenda. August 2020.
“Nobody can get the truth out of me because even I don’t know what it is. I keep myself in a state of utter confusion.” ― Colonel Flagg of the CIA (M.A.S.H.)
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@janefreeman4121 Why Americans can't see or understand how other countries have national healthcare systems and THEY WORK, is one of the greatest con jobs in history.
Sorry if this is a little long, but its hard to discuss any of this without first discussing how certain words have been twisted into odd meanings.
Sadly or well intentioned my High School English teachers one year chose 1984 as a book and it was horribly cruel on 15/16yr olds. George Orwell famously said if you tell a lie enough times it becomes fact and sadly Americans have been told certain things so many times its actually redefined words. Most notably "socialism" which comes from the word "social" as in "to do things as a society." I'm an engineer but both my parents were high school teachers and years ago they explained what certain terms actually meant.
There's a subtle but discernable difference between the nature of government and government functions. The nature is things like how its chosen and organized - democratically elected versus hereditary, upper & lower houses, executive branches,.......etc. But also you can have descriptions of behavior like authoritarian and totalitarian or the opposite free & open. On the flip side the government functions are the organizations and departments it operates - police, army, education, parks, fire, roads and in some countries healthcare. What many people don't realise is that capitalism, communism and socialism are words that describe functions of government and not really the nature of government.
What we actually see are governments hijacking labels to mask their true nature. Look at East Germany and North Korea they both labeled themselves as "Democratic Republics" yet neither was democratic and North Korea is now a absolute hereditary monarchy in everything but name. What confuses so many is that most governments mix these things together, but use the label that their population finds acceptable.
If they privatize something and allow private citizens to make money doing that function then that something is functioning as a capitalist function and the private operators can make as much money as regulations allow. If the government allows groups of people to collectively do something in a communal way that's communism (in its rawest form). In a very basic way the share markets (emphasis on shares not stocks) are a combination of capitalism and communism. Its capitalistic in that its private ownership and communistic in that its communities of people co-owning entities.
Socialism is where a society collectively agrees to fund & operate functions - police, armed services, education,....... and in some cases health care. It actually has nothing to do with the nature of any government. Any government can call it self anything it likes but if it collects money or resources from its society to do something then that something is a socialist function.
Half the problem is that besides not teaching people about the world they live in is that we have political players both inside and outside government that literally drown us in misinformation and redefining terms. Trump famously told a journalist a few years ago he wanted the media so discredited that his people would not believe anything they were told. Stalin was great example who claimed he was a socialist when in reality he was a narcissistic sociopath who ran a totalitarian dictatorship. Any political analyst or the Russians or any one else can claim what ever they like, use any label they like and it wont change anything. The USSR was never politically communist or socialist under Stalin it was a totalitarian dictatorship. Americans can say whatever they like about socialism but it wont change that they operate many parts of their society as socialist functions - police, army & education being 3 notable examples.
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I hate to bust your dreams but:
WHEN Bush & Cheney can invade a country unlawfully and end up getting a million people killed and NOT even be investigated, let alone arrested, let alone held accountable.
WHEN people like Donald Rumsfeld and those underneath him can order the torture and abuse of prisoners at Abu Ghraib and Bagram AFB and NOT even be investigated, let alone arrested, let alone held accountable.
WHEN John Bolton can ADMIT PUBLICLY to staging coups and NOT even be investigated, let alone arrested, let alone held accountable.
WHEN Obama can use drone strikes in countries he has NO AUTHORITY in and NOT even be investigated, let alone arrested, let alone held accountable.
WHEN Trump can wind up the drone strikes including the one in Syria where he had NO AUTHORITY and NOT even be investigated, let alone arrested, let alone held accountable.
WHEN Trump can assassinate an Iranian General when he has NO AUTHORITY to do it and NOT even be investigated, let alone arrested, let alone held accountable.
WHEN Trump can stage an attempted coup and OVERTHROW the US Government and is NOT arrested, NOT charged and NOT held accountable.
What makes you think any American can hold a Foreign Leader like Bibi Netanyahu accountable?
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What do you expect from people who's central them is:
"We demand the Liberty to strip other people of their Liberties."
Fundamentalist ideologies NEVER WORK because they can NEVER adjust to ANYTHING they haven't considered. It doesn't matter if they are religious fundamentalists, military fundamentalists, economic fundamentalists or any other form of fundamentalist ideology. And the reason is very simple. They refuse to accept any of the things that cause them trouble even exist. Economic fundamentalists ALWAYS fail because they assume that the markets can solve any problem by SUPPLYING a solution but the concept that markets CANNOT supply a solution does NOT exist in their brains.
I'm actually an engineer who's into energy economics at the moment. It started when I discovered how precarious the Australian (my country) situation is. You see to replace all our ageing power stations is an engineering task NOT an Economic task, but Libertarian Economists can't see that.
AND SO WE ARE CLEAR - there is almost no Economists on the planet who are NOT Neoliberal Libertarians because they all do the same basic education program at university. They all study the same text books published by Harvard Press, Yale Press, Oxford Press, Cambridge Press,...... etc or their text books are written by professors at Harvard, Yale, Oxford, Cambridge,...... etc or they are written by people who went to Harvard, Yale, Oxford, Cambridge,...... etc. That's why Javier Milei has so many fans among Western Economists. They are all taught the same stuff and believe the same stuff. Its only a matter of how far up they have the volume knob and Milei has his wound up to 11.
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Australian here: So here's an outside observers perspective on American conservatives.
FYI - I went to college in America so I have some unclose interactions with these people.
American conservatives BELIEVE:
- In their version of a president who's NEVER a dictator or a tyrant they are just FIRM with "others" but anyone else's version of a president is a tyrant or a dictator.
- In their version of democracy where everyone votes for them and they have control, NOT yours where the majority tell vote and tell them "NO you don't have control."
- In their version of Law and Order the FBI, DEA, CIA, NSA,....etc are good guys going after bad people, while YOUR VERSION of the FBI, DEA, CIA, NSA,....etc are bad guys going after good guys.
- In their version of Liberty and Freedom where they have the right to strip others of their Liberties and Freedoms.
- In their version of Foreign Policy any and every country has the democratic right to elect a pro-American government that does as they are told to do and any country that dares to do otherwise will find out how effective the CIA is at organising military Coups and installing dictators.
Let me know if you think I have that wrong or need to add more.
And before you reply just remember America the land of hope freedom and democracy still denies the People of Puerto Rico and the other American territories their democratic right to vote on who their President is and they effectively ZERO representation in Congress despite being US Citizens. AND YES this is common knowledge around the world. If you want to see how its seen look up (here on YT) "honest government ad puerto rico"
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AEROSPACE ENGINEER HERE: Trying to give some perspective and context.
Note: I am highly critical of the F-35 program based on engineering knowledge not emotional claims.
FIRST I have gone and read the FT article and its VERY SHORT. Including the title and subtitle its 452 words. I cut and pasted it into word to check that. So that story has almost ZERO DETAIL on anything.
There is one very objectional aspect to how this is being presented by BOTH Krystal and Kyle and Saagar and that's the howling and screeching. Is it justified? YES, but it helps NO ONE. I'd highly recommend you all go check out Ward Carroll's take on the F35 crash and the questions he asked from the Base CO. He knows there's no point asking for conclusions when the investigation has only just started. So he asked questions that CAN BE ANSWERED and give context.
Krystal, Kyle Saagar and so many others all claim they are NOT like main stream media and then they do this crap.
SECOND this is a maintenance issue and maintenance is the one thing that TOO MANY IGNORANT CLOWNS with arts degrees, business degrees and nothing degrees stick their noses into without any understanding of the consequences.
Everything we build in engineering requires maintenance because without it everything eventually fails. Breaking down is a hassle for your car, or if you are on a boat or with many other things, BUT WHEN aircraft fail they don't simply stop, THEY FALL OUT OF THE SKY. This is why engineers and technicians get so frustrated at times. We have to deal with people who don't know which end of a screw driver to hold trying explain how our job should be done.
THIRD the F35 program was born form the outcomes of the F22 program. Originally the F22 was planned for 750 Aircraft all of those for the USAF. The Navy, Marines and Air National Guard would get something else. Once they started operating it the F22 proved to be brilliant but also incredibly expensive. According to the GAO F22s cost $85,000/hr while an F35 costs $42,000/hr, but then an A10 costs $22,531/hr and an F16 costs $26,000/hr. In comparison a B52 costs $88,000/hr, a B2 Spirit cost $150,000/hr while a B1 Lancer costs $173,000/hr. Over in Helicopter land the CH-47F Chinook costs $4,000/hr while the CH53E Super Stallion costs $45,000/hr.
So yes its costs are high but they have to be put into PERSPRECTIVE.
This was what killed the F22 program. It wasn't that it didn't do the job. By most reports it was the best fighter plane the USAF has every had, but the maintenance required in raw cost and man hours was horrendous. One of the F35s main design criteria was to get the costs back to something more reasonable, which is why it only has a single engine like the F16.
FOURTH and this is where I get start getting critical of the F35 program from its concept.
The PR for the F35 was pitched (in concept) to cost 1/2 as much money to buy and 1/2 as much to run as the F22. It certainly hasn't done that on the purchasing and it only looks good against the F22 because its operation costs have almost tripled.
BUT YOU HAVE TO SEARCH to find these things out.
FIFTH and this is where the F35 went off the rails.
One reason WHY the F22 could be cancelled was because it involved only a few factories and because of its small numbers cancelling it did not cost many jobs and only in a few states. Lockheed learnt from this and made sure the F35 had the broadest possible possible supply chain with contractors in as many US States as possible. Its much harder for a US Senator to cancel a program when it costs jobs in their state and if you have parts on a plane that come from over 40 states its NOT getting cancelled.
THE SUPPLY CHAIN IS THE PROBLEM and it makes the F35 unsuited for warfare.
LET'S BE CRYSTAL CLEAR - I am NOT saying the F35 is NOT capable. By the reports and interviews from pilots who have flown it as well as other fighter aircraft its an amazingly good aircraft. Ward Carroll's buddy Pako ahs explained this as good as anyone. There's also a great debate on the subject between F16 & A10 engineer Pierre Sprey and Lt Col David 'Chip' Berke who flew the F16, F18, F15, F22 and F35.
Aaron over on Sub Brief has explained this well. Its not just getting the parts its also getting the specialised tools needed to do the maintenance work.
This is a lesson that goes right back to the Battle of Britain. When first introduced the Spitfire was incredibly hard to maintain. The Hawker Hurricane was mostly made of wood covered in fabric. The Spitfire was full metal sheeting over a full metal frame and any repairs required specialist tools. Famously the Polish Squadrons in the Battle of Britain sent their Spitfires back and demanded the return of their Hurricanes because all they needed was the local carpenter to get back flying.
YES THE F35
- cost too much to develop but that came from bad decisions from the military trying to have a super complex do-all jet combined with bad project management of the manufacturer.
- it cost more to run than it should because that too comes from poor project management of the manufacturer that allowed them to create this ridiculous parts supply chain that can't deliver.
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Australian here: I went to college in America in the late 80s on a sports scholarship. I had a fabulous time with my only regrets being that I was too young to really appreciate it at the time and that I have lost contact with many of my friends there.
I studied aerospace engineering but a bunch of those friends were pre-law and often dragged me into their conversations. So I got a unusual education into the US Constitution. Prior to that my only study into political systems was Orwell (1984 & Animal Farm) so my only argument was that ANY country could fall into a totalitarian dictatorship (Right or Left) because that was Orwell's warning. It doesn't matter if you go to far Right or too far Left its the same result.
My friends used to argue (and they always won) that it was impossible for America to fall because it had a system of "Checks & Balances" built into the system that would never allow such a thing to happen to America. We never discussed the possibility that the system could fail, but then we never we never considered what the Federalist Society planned and executed. The American POLITICAL system revolves around the 3 pillars of the Executive (including the President) the house and the Senate. The American LEGAL system relies on the various layers to make sure that EVERY American is equally treated under the law.
The idea or concept that a small group created out of students at 3 universities (Harvard, Yale and U. Chicago) could (overtime) completely subvert the Supreme Court and use that along with there big money supporters to undermine the System of Checks & Balances and then re-write the Constitution wasn't simply unthinkable it wasn't even a concept under consideration.
Here's the crazy thing. The Federalist Society was founded in 1982 and it was already underway BEFORE my friends and I had any of those conversations. We didn't even know it existed let alone what its plans were, let alone that it would find billionaires willing to fund what they wanted.
Until America is willing to accept that it has been hijacked by a tiny group of people who have managed to suck tens of millions of people into their web of lies then America will remain a foundering ship in danger of sinking. The problem for the rest of the world is we, the human race, face some very big issues like climate change, wars, food shortages, water shortages,... etc. We DO NOT NEED America to solve these issues, but it becomes so much harder when America is what it is now.
Sorry for the long comment.
I do believe American Constitution is one of humanities finest achievements but right now its being undermined by some incredibly selfish people and it has global effects.
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Somebody needs to ask Mark Levin the following Question:
When did BLM, ANTIFA, Democrats, 1960s counter culture hippies, tree hugging Kumbaya singing environmentalists, Occupy Wall Street, Lafayette Park or any other protesters storm the capitol, kill a police officer, tear down the American flag and replace it with another flag?
For anyone interested please feel free to copy that question and post it anywhere you like.
Someone else first directed me to this quote by Vice POTUS Wallace, who was alive when Mussolini, Hitler and Stalin were in power to personally see what those sorts of people are like. the 2 highlights about method and patriotism are mine.
Henry A. Wallace, Vice President of the United States in the New York Times, April 9, 1944 “The really dangerous American fascist... is the man who wants to do in the United States in an American way what Hitler did in Germany in a Prussian way. The American fascist would prefer not to use violence. His method is to poison the channels of public information. With a fascist the problem is never how best to present the truth to the public but how best to use the news to deceive the public into giving the fascist and his group more money or more power... They claim to be super-patriots, but they would destroy every liberty guaranteed by the Constitution. They demand free enterprise, but are the spokesmen for monopoly and vested interest. Their final objective, toward which all their deceit is directed, is to capture political power so that, using the power of the state and the power of the market simultaneously, they may keep the common man in eternal subjection.”
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As an engineer this system WAS NEVER GOING TO WORK!
Why?
Short answer: We don't yet have the technology to match the human visual cortex system.
Long answer (and sorry if its long).
It all has to do with how algorithms work and how visions systems what (what engineers call camera systems).
At best they can mimic what a human does with respect to a certain types of tasks. The better that task can be defined then the better an algorithm can be developed. I work in industrial control systems which are the computers and sensors systems that run things like production lines, mineral processing plants, water treatment plants,...etc. Occasionally we have to write special algorithms to make some process work because all the standard functions just won't work. I have written algorithms that if I were describe what they did you'd all think I work in AI and I don't. I HAVE NEVER written any software that thinks, but I have written code that MIMICS what a person could do to make a certain process work how we wanted.
Here's the problem with autopilots for cars.
We don't have the technology to mimic r=what a human does when they drive a car. We don't have camera systems that can operate anything like a human eye and we don't have computers that can process that sort of data in the way the human brain does at the rate that the human brain does.
The bit near the end where Kyle describes the human brain as a super computer is a gross understatement when we consider what our visual cortex does every second.
I have a pilots license and we've had autopilots for planes for decades and they work incredibly well BUT the autopilot in a plane simply has to fly along a straight line. A course is simply a set of straight lines and the AP just goes point to point. I have programmed industrial robots for a living and they are quite similar. We define a set of points and orientations and have the robot move from point to point and at some of those points "do things." Autopilots in planes and Industrial robots DO NOT THINK they just move from point to point in fairly simple ways - speed and direction.
Driving a car is in some ways a far more complex task to define than flying a plane or programming a robot. The car itself is far easier to operate BUT the interactions with the environment ARE NOT. Airplanes don't go down streets where there are parked cars, gutters, trees, kids, dogs, cats and other cars coming the other way (except in incredibly rare cases).
Irrespective of if you believe in God or Evolution the human visual cortex can take snap shots of our environment at a rate of around 50 times a second. Its broken into 2 sections - focused and peripheral. The incredible thing our visual cortex does is assess threats by clumping things together so that it has fewer things to assess. Our brain does not see several million straw colored hairs and tries to figure out what they each mean. Our brain just sees a lion and knows to avoid. When we drive a car our brain does not see 100,000 green things and tries to figure out what they mean it just sees a tree and we avoid it.
This all happens very fast in our peripheral vision system at a rate of about 50 times per second.
Plus once our peripheral system detects something we can move our eyes and focus on that threat and then re-assess that threat as to things like distance and speed while at the same time comparing that threat to previous experiences or knowledge we might have. This is why distracting a driver can increase the risk of serious accidents by orders of magnitude because you take that system off line and it then needs time to get back online.
So here's why this was never going to work. We don't have camera's as good as human eyes and we don't have computers that can process that much data fast enough. Most of all we don't yet know how the human brain actually does what it does. So its pretty hard to write an algorithm to mimic what it does.
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@maryhackney3545 Good explanations across the board.
I'm actually Australian but went to college in America in the late 80s. I was there when Walker was in his pro-career. I also played 6 seasons of American football back here in Australia so I know full well how brutal the contact can be and we were no where near what he got in the NFL. I played rugby in high school and there's no comparison.
I was also in America when another President everyone prefers to ignore these days, Ronald Reagan, was in obvious decline. The thing was NOBODY, wanted to acknowledge it and the entire planet knew it. The last 3 years of his second term they kept him wrapped in cotton wool with Bush Snr in charge and the whole world knew that too. Even when I got back to Australia, everyone knew but even our government refused to say it out loud, BECAUSE FINALLY the cold war was over.
I have very seriously angered a lot of Democrat supporters by saying Biden is NOT the President America needs right now. YES getting rid of Trump was necessary but in terms of dealing with America's problems NO. Even at his best Biden was never the answer or solution America needs. In decline there's even less chance.
Going back onto the subject of Biden's decline.
The reason I don't like people simply saying Biden has dementia is because just as we didn't know what Reagans actual issue was, we don't know what Biden's is either. BECAUSE none of us are privy to his medical records. We eventually found out what Reagan's issue was because they couldn't hide it, but by that time he was well out of office and the cold war was over so nobody cared.
We'll eventually find out the truth about Biden because it will get to a time when they can't deny it, just like it did with Reagan. In the meantime I hope it doesn't break America, because that isn't good for anyone.
What so many Americans don't get is that because of the trade and security arrangements and how it all works anything bad that happens to America is bad for the rest of us, but the inverse isn't true. For instance - if any of the worlds stock markets throws a tantrum it has effects and sometimes its bad. But nothing is like what happens when the NYSE throws a tantrum. When that happens it reverberates around the world.
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I hate to bust everyone's balls, but:
WHEN Bush & Cheney can invade a country unlawfully and end up getting a million people killed and NOT even be investigated, let alone arrested, let alone held accountable.
WHEN people like Donald Rumsfeld and those underneath him can order the torture and abuse of prisoners at Abu Ghraib and Bagram AFB and NOT even be investigated, let alone arrested, let alone held accountable.
WHEN John Bolton can ADMIT PUBLICLY to staging coups and NOT even be investigated, let alone arrested, let alone held accountable.
WHEN Obama can use drone strikes in countries he has NO AUTHORITY in and NOT even be investigated, let alone arrested, let alone held accountable.
WHEN Trump can wind up the drone strikes including the one in Syria where he had NO AUTHORITY and NOT even be investigated, let alone arrested, let alone held accountable.
WHEN Trump can assassinate an Iranian General when he has NO AUTHORITY to do it and NOT even be investigated, let alone arrested, let alone held accountable.
WHEN Trump can stage an attempted coup and OVERTHROW the US Government and is NOT arrested, NOT charged and NOT held accountable.
What makes you think any American can hold a Foreign Leader like Bibi Netanyahu accountable?
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I did aerospace engineering and back in 1987 we had an alum from NASA who did a guest lecture on Friday. He'd just completed a preliminary study into terraforming Mars and the answer was forget it.
Here's a slightly longer explanation. Sorry for the math.
What this NASA guy introduced us to was what I now call "Planetary Mechanics" which is how much stuff do you need. The sister to that is "Planetary Dynamics" which is how do you make stuff like water cycles and gas cycles and ocean currents work.
So how much Earth normal air would you need?
Sorry for the math.
Mars has a surface area of 144,370,000 km²
If you just wanted a 1 km thick layer of Earth standard air on an object that big its easy to approximate it as enough big cubes of air to cover and that's easy because you just change area to volume and you have 144,370,000 km³ of air. Earth standard air weighs 1.2kg/m³. To work out what that 144,370,000 km³ weighs in metric tons you add 9 zeros to convert m³ to km³ and then take off 3 zeros to convert kilograms to tons.
Yes this is why engineers like metric.
Finally you multiply by 1.2 because its 1.2 kg/m³
And then you get 173,244,000,000,000 tons of Earth standard air.
Yes that's a bit over 173 TRILLION tons of air.
The simple question is where are you going to find that much air. That's before you ask anything like how are you going to get it there or keep it attached tot he planet because Mars has only 1/3rd of Earths gravity and n magnetic field to stop the solar wind stripping it away.
There was this one bright spark who recently told me we'd only need the Oxygen (as in 1/5th) 🤔🤔
So I asked him where he thought he could get 34.6 TRILLION tons of Oxygen?
Now I will grant its not technically impossible, but unless you really do have God like powers, it is like trying to build a 1 to 1 scale model of Mount Everest out of Lego.
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As far as these people being "Patriotic" please this quote from Vice POTUS Wallace who was alive when people like Mussolini, Hitler and Stalin had power. Thake note of what it says about method and patriots (highlighted).
Henry A. Wallace, Vice President of the United States in the New York Times, April 9, 1944 “The really dangerous American fascist... is the man who wants to do in the United States in an American way what Hitler did in Germany in a Prussian way. The American fascist would prefer not to use violence. His method is to poison the channels of public information. With a fascist the problem is never how best to present the truth to the public but how best to use the news to deceive the public into giving the fascist and his group more money or more power... They claim to be super-patriots, but they would destroy every liberty guaranteed by the Constitution. They demand free enterprise, but are the spokesmen for monopoly and vested interest. Their final objective, toward which all their deceit is directed, is to capture political power so that, using the power of the state and the power of the market simultaneously, they may keep the common man in eternal subjection.”
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I hate to bust your dreams but:
WHEN Bush & Cheney can invade a country unlawfully and end up getting a million people killed and NOT even be investigated, let alone arrested, let alone held accountable.
WHEN people like Donald Rumsfeld and those underneath him can order the torture and abuse of prisoners at Abu Ghraib and Bagram AFB and NOT even be investigated, let alone arrested, let alone held accountable.
WHEN John Bolton can ADMIT PUBLICLY to staging coups and NOT even be investigated, let alone arrested, let alone held accountable.
WHEN Obama can use drone strikes in countries he has NO AUTHORITY in and NOT even be investigated, let alone arrested, let alone held accountable.
WHEN Trump can wind up the drone strikes including the one in Syria where he had NO AUTHORITY and NOT even be investigated, let alone arrested, let alone held accountable.
WHEN Trump can assassinate an Iranian General when he has NO AUTHORITY to do it and NOT even be investigated, let alone arrested, let alone held accountable.
WHEN Trump can stage an attempted coup and OVERTHROW the US Government and is NOT arrested, NOT charged and NOT held accountable.
What makes you think any American can hold a Foreign Leader like Bibi Netanyahu accountable?
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What does anyone expect from people who's central them is:
"We demand the Liberty to strip other people of their Liberties."
Fundamentalist ideologies NEVER WORK because they can NEVER adjust to ANYTHING they haven't considered. It doesn't matter if they are religious fundamentalists, military fundamentalists, economic fundamentalists or any other form of fundamentalist ideology. And the reason is very simple. They refuse to accept any of the things that cause them trouble even exist. Economic fundamentalists ALWAYS fail because they assume that the markets can solve any problem by SUPPLYING a solution but the concept that markets CANNOT supply a solution does NOT exist in their brains.
I'm actually an engineer who's into energy economics at the moment. It started when I discovered how precarious the Australian (my country) situation is. You see to replace all our ageing power stations is an engineering task NOT an Economic task, but Libertarian Economists can't see that.
AND SO WE ARE CLEAR - there is almost no Economists on the planet who are NOT Neoliberal Libertarians because they all do the same basic education program at university. They all study the same text books published by Harvard Press, Yale Press, Oxford Press, Cambridge Press,...... etc or their text books are written by professors at Harvard, Yale, Oxford, Cambridge,...... etc or they are written by people who went to Harvard, Yale, Oxford, Cambridge,...... etc. That's why Javier Milei has so many fans among Western Economists. They are all taught the same stuff and believe the same stuff. Its only a matter of how far up they have the volume knob and Milei has his wound up to 11.
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Henry Wallace Vice President in the New York Times, April 9, 1944 (highlights mine)
“The really dangerous American fascist... is the man who wants to do in the United States in an American way what Hitler did in Germany in a Prussian way. The American fascist would prefer not to use violence. His method is to poison the channels of public information. With a fascist the problem is never how best to present the truth to the public but how best to use the news to deceive the public into giving the fascist and his group more money or more power... They claim to be super-patriots, but they would destroy every liberty guaranteed by the Constitution. They demand free enterprise, but are the spokesmen for monopoly and vested interest. Their final objective, toward which all their deceit is directed, is to capture political power so that, using the power of the state and the power of the market simultaneously, they may keep the common man in eternal subjection.
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Here's a little known or not often discussed issue. As part of Reagans "small government" he appointed the mother of current SCOTUS Judge Neil Gorsuch as head of the EPA. She sacked inspectors and regulators and replaced a few with people from industry. It was the equivalent to dumping FBI agents into the gutter and replacing a few of them with mobsters to watch over the Mafia.
Also during the Reagan years the DOJ's ability to prosecute anti-trust cases was effectively castrated. That's how America produced tech monopolies like Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, Google, etc. as well as the "Too big to fail" Wall Street monopolies. How many of you know that between them Vanguard, Blackrock and State Street now own 20% of the S&P 500? yeah that means those 3 companies have people on EVERY board of the S&P 500. They don't just know about decisions being made before the market knows they are MAKING those decisions.
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I agree except its a little overly simplistic, but then in 3 short sentences you've summed up politics fairly well.
The problem is humanity has such variety that to try and sum it up this simply is nigh impossible.
Trying to be a bit more specific to politics and I only know about these things because a very good friend was involved in student politics for some time. What killed his political ambitions was how his mentor was felled. His mentor was a person with good intentions and even rarer for politics a person with ethics. Because of his ethics he was crushed. My friend realised that ethics in politics is not a knife you can use to cut through and make change, it is actually the knife others will snatch from your hand and stab you with.
Here's how I'd add to your statement.
The problem in politics are the differences between the 3 basic types of politicians those with good intentions, those with bad intentions and the rest with few intentions other than keeping their job. Surrounding politics is the media who have no other intention than getting attention.
People with good intentions in politics want to change the system to be more equitable or at least better for the majority of people. Because its impossible to make everyone happy either one of 2 things happens. They compromise to the extent they cannot do anything of substance. Alternatively if they do take a stand then they get labelled as dismissive of other peoples concerns destroying their claim of good intentions. Either way they're doomed because in the end their compromises eat away at their core values or they are destroyed by enemies.
People with bad intentions in politics will simply undermine or obstruct anything that does not specifically benefit them. Due to their narcissism they are willing to destroy any and every institution that society has developed even ones that in general help them. There is no such thing as a bad decision in their mind there are only decisions that don't help them as much as others.
People who have no or few intentions in politics other than to keep their job are actually the worst because nobody can rely on them. They avoid attention and accountability at all costs, voting only on subjects where they can hide in the background. These are the worst of all politicians as they rarely support those with good intentions even when what's on offer benefits people because they fear one thing above all else, and that's the wrath of those with bad intentions.
As for the media in politics they are either vile, compromised, heartless, mindless, ridiculous, hopeless, soulless, amoral, unethical or a combination of these things. They howl about the "publics right to know" as they filter out any detail that does not fit the narrative they are presenting. They will report that black is white and white is black as comfortably as they report that 1+1=3 is scientifically correct.
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@stambo1983 I could not agree more.
A while back Kyle did a short video regarding a report in Politico on a Congressional Budget Office report on family Wealth. Its easy to find just google it. Its report number 57598.
I know that report maybe as much as anyone because I am one of the very few people who comments on it let alone analyses what's in it AND ITS DAMNING. I first heard about this report months before Kyles comments when Richard Wolff mentioned it. The report was commissioned by Bernie Sanders and is an update of an earlier report that only went up to 2013.
Since I first became aware of this report only 3 times (as far as I know) has anyone in the media mentioned it - Richard Wolff, Politico & Kyle. That blows my mind because of how explosive it is and its not just explosive to America the same sort of data comes out of almost any developed nation especially those that are Western Neoliberal economies. So it might be about America but it also condemns countries like Britain, Japan, Canada, Canada, Australia and it condemns BOTH sides of politics including the Democrats, Republicans, British Tories, British Labor, Australian Labor, Australian Liberals......... etc. Left or Right they stand condemned because they all run some variation of neoliberal economics. *WHY nobody in the media slams this report across the faces of politicians, bankers and economists is a puzzle to me?
HERE'S THE CRUX OF IT and I apologise for the length of this.
The very first graph looks horrendous because just on a first glance it show the wealthy getting insanely MORE wealthy while the bottom 1/2 are going nowhere and the middle struggles. NOTE that light brown band at the top (Top 10%) has 1/4 the number of people the brown band below it (Middle 40%) and 1/5th the number of people as the shite brown smudge (Bottom 50%) across the bottom.
BUT THAT'S NOT EVEN 1/2 the STORY.
If you compare 2010 to 2007 you get the effects of the GFC.
if you compare 2019 to 2007 you can see how these groups recovered after the GFC.
The Top 10% LOST 11.1% of their wealth in the GFC but by 2019 were over 21% UP compared to 2007.
The Middle 40% LOST 13.3% of their wealth in the GFC but by 2019 were 4.6% UP compared to 2007.
The Bottom 50% LOST 49.5% of their wealth in the GFC but by 2019 were STILL DOWN over 20%.
YES by 2019 the people who caused the GFC had not only recovered which is no surprise from the money Bush and Obama gave them, but were collectively up by over $20 Trillion (with a 'T') while the people who's lives they smashed and were not bailed out had NOT YET RECOVERED.
Even just as crazy a fact is the Top 10% did better under Obama than they did under Trump.
During Obama's last 3 years (2013-2016) the Top 10% accumulated $18.3 Trillion
During Trump's first 3 years (2016-2019) the Top 10% accumulated only $3.6 Trillion
Comparing the same years for the Middle 40%
2013-2016 they accumulated $3.9T compared to 2016-2019 $1.3T
For the Bottom 50% which is where many of Trumps base is.
2013-2016 they accumulated $0.4T compared to 2016-2019 $0.4T
The amazing thing about this is that the pro-business Republicans didn't do so well for there corporate funders under Trump but those corporate funders did real well under Obama. If anything Obama was even more pro-business because he helped the Top 10% do so well. In just those 3 years they ADDED to the existing wealth almost 8x what the Bottom 50% had in total.
FYI - Obama went to Harvard the world centre of GREED EDUCATION.
He then lectured at the University of Chicago the world centre of GREED IDEOLOGY.
I call that one graph the "graph of graphs" because it tells the true story of neoliberal economics. People can BS on about GDP figures but wealth is the true indicator of how society is going.
FYI - I am actually an Australian Engineer who did aerospace engineering in America which is why I have a soft spot for America. I have taken to looking at economics because of the energy crisis which is way worse than most people know and that its caused by neoliberal economists influencing politics. Luckily there's economists like Steve Keen and Gary Stevenson who are effectively "Rebel Economists." They both have YouTube channels that I recommend to everyone.
Again sorry for the length of the comment but I think your one of those few people who will appreciate it.
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@TheeQuirkyPanda You're mostly right. Even though the type of corruption changes from country to country corruption is still corruption.
Anyway you look at it corruption is where one part of the population operates outside the rules that are enforced on the rest of the population to the detriment of the rest of the population. That simple reality doesn't change the mechanism used does.
One thing that has bothered me a lot on recent years is the corruption of the refugee system. That's come from multiple directions with people with some unusual motivations. There's a huge problem with that corruption. Its stripping many countries of the ability to develop. I'm an engineer and I argue with people all the time that we need to stop taking refugees on a permanent basis because its stripping countries of the people they need.
I know what it takes to build things. I have spent most of the last 20 years building remote mine sites. That means building the camp where people live so other than the mine it includes a lot of the same infrastructure any town needs - power, water, sewerage, food storage, transportation, fuel storage,... etc. That all takes a broad of people of many backgrounds and skills. To do it requires not just a lot of engineering but the people out in the field doing the actual work - plumbers, electricians, builders, welders, digger operators, crane operators, truck drivers,... Its a long list of trained skills.
Then we also have issues with allowing students to come to Australia often paid for by the nations they came from and then we let them stay because they fill a gap we have. That's part of the corruption in our Universities. Instead of spending our money to educate our people we make money having someone else pay to send their people here and then we keep them gaining skilled workers that others paid for and depriving those nations of skills they need.
So the corruption in parts of our nation does effect other nations. It might not be obvious but the links are there if you look.
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You don't have to worry about that anymore. Uber sold the entire division for self driving cars just as every major manufacturer sold off or cancelled their work in that area as well. It was very quietly done a couple of years ago when they realised that being able to prove the onboard computers would be safe was next to impossible. Its comes down to all of the what ifs. What if A happens, what if B happens,....... and there's more variations than there are alphabets.
What they basically concluded was that true driverless cars would need a supercomputer onboard. So until they work out how to build a supercomputer the size of a shoe box its not going to happen.
Where driverless vehicles might actually happen is in long haul trucking when the trucks are on freeways with no traffic lights, pedestrians and lots of other stuff. Which would make it a lot more like an autopilot for a passenger jet. The pilot's are onboard the whole time. They do the take off, landing and taxiing, while the autopilot does the long boring part. There will still be drivers who do all the driving around cities and towns but once they are on the freeway/expressway/interstate they'll switch to autopilot.
I'm an engineer who works in industrial control systems (including safety systems). I also have a pilots license and there's a misconception that having an autopilot for a car or truck is the same as an autopilot for a plane. The auto pilot in a plane pretty much only has to deal with speed, altitude and direction. A car or truck has to deal with the road, lanes, other vehicles, pedestrians, animals, traffic lights and millions of other things that are all changing every second. Its actually highlighted just how extraordinary the human brain is to do what it does. It also highlights how dangerous even a slightly distracted driver is.
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Have you heard of or read the book "Angrynomics" by Mark Blyth & Eric Lonergan?
Mark's a political economist who studies how studies how politics and economics interact rather than treat them as separate subjects. Eric's a fund manger with a soul as well as a brain.
The books basically 2 guys discussing the anger that's prevalent across most of the world right now and the economics causing it
They discuss 2 kinds of anger that we see in public with large groups of people. Moral outrage and tribal anger. Moral outrage are things like BLM and union strikes where people are protesting at something they see as morally wrong - cops killing people, companies where wage inequality and conditions are ridiculous, etc.
Tribal anger is what you're talking about where politically motivated opportunists are weaponizing anger into tribalism. Things like Qanon, anti-vaxxers, anti-5G,... etc where people angry at government policies that hurt them are having that anger REDIRECTED into mindless rage. Its where we see bad faith actors like Bannon, Hannity, Rachael Maddow, etc. and organisations like Fox, OAN, CNN, MSNBC driving people bonkers.
Just look at what Louis CK does here in just a few seconds. "Look at what progressives ALWAYS do..." which plays straight into the "their side does.... but our side is innocent even when it does the same thing" schtick.
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