Comments by "Tony Wilson" (@tonywilson4713) on "Elon Musks Dumbest Fans: BUSTED" video.

Yeah I'm an aerospace engineer and this shite is getting sadder and sadder as time goes by. I was doing my degree when Challenger happened and when the debacle that was Space Station Freedom went on. Most people don't know that the original budget was $20 Billion. When that was considered too much it was redesigned and the number came back at $30 Billion. When that was considered too much it was redesigned and the number came back at $40 Billion. Then we got the ISS for about $120Billion. I bet you have similar stories and as usual we have to put up with clowns like these causing all sorts of distractions.
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I'm an aerospace engineer and I does make a few mistakes, but overall slapping down these fraudsters is fantastic. So you know I disagree with thundef00t and a couple of others on a few technical points. The Tesla is actually a damn good car, but Elon had zip to do with its development (he lucked into that). Plus breaking the recalcitrant behavior of the established manufacturers on electric cars is something special. The Falcon Series of rockets (NOT the starship) is an outstanding achievement (but Elon had zip to do with that). Especially when its put up against what the rest of that industry has done. SpaceX can put 4 people in space for less money ($70 million for 4 seats) than the last few seats NASA paid for on Soyuz ($90 million for 1 seat). Plus it at least works, Boeing's Starliner is yet to have a proven safe flight let alone a manned flight. BUT NONE OF THAT EXCUSES ELON'S BULLSHIT And none of it excuses the BULLSHIT of his fanbots.
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@EnglishLaw It depends what claims your making about electric cars. For people claiming they will solve climate change - yeah BS unless you generate the power they use cleanly. BUT as part of an overall solution they are vital as an important component. For people claiming that Elon was going to give the world self driving cars - yeah total BS and was always total BS. FYI - I'm an engineer and Elon's lucked out a couple of times with getting into decent technology developed by sensible people and he's made a dogs breakfast of them every time.
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@shiftyjesusfish On top of a degree in aerospace, 30+ years in control systems and automation I am formally trained in Safety Related Systems. So I have a pretty good grasp of redundancy when it comes to safety. In fact if you want I can explain why the only thing the MCAS system was ever guaranteed to do was crash a plane. On top of that I have a pilots license with aerobatic endorsement. So yeah I've got a pretty good idea of what your talking about and YES YOU ARE RIGHT. You are so spot on that you're either qualified like me or have been around someone qualified like me or your unlike most people on social media and actually LISTENING to people qualified like me. After the Max-8 NOBODY anywhere is going to let this thing be used for commercial passenger travel around the world. Without a full program of flight testing where they DO EVERYTHING this thing will never be cleared for what they are suggesting. Who's going to pay for 100 or more certified test flights of this thing.
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@timmy7201 You lucky bugger. In all my time since graduating I have never got to work on satellites. I have been off doing other things. I haven't had that exact problem but know what those sorts of problems are like. Every step forwards feels like your dragging a truck up hill. Most of the time your on the edge of going postal. Best I can suggest is have the whole team go and do something totally unrelated and totally trivial. Go bowling or something. One of you has the answer you just need something that gets your brains unfocused so that it can get out through the noise. I did a control system project on a sheet metal machine back in the 90s that had this insane problem we'd never seen before and couldn't work out WTF was going on. It wouldn't be there, then it would and it was NEVER the same. The solution hit me in the gym one afternoon. In the middle of a set of reps suddenly there it was - No joke. I was n the gym and pumping reps and bam I knew what was going on. Next morning I put in the code and bam problem solved. If its driving you nuts then get out and away from it or the noise in everyone's head will keep drowning out the solution.
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@shiftyjesusfish Also Elon's a charlatan for sure, but he's a different kind. Elizabeth Holmes and others never had anything it was all just a fantasy and many of them snatched their ideas from sci-fi. Elizabeth Holmes got her idea from Gattaca. The water from the air thing is from Star Wars - as in Uncle Owen's moisture farm. Elon's difference is that he has actually lucked onto a couple of things that were real and could be exploited. He lucked into Paypal. He never did any of the coding for it, but Elon was able to exploit it. He lucked into Tesla. He had nothing to do with the original development. I've been in one and they are fantastic and Elon has been able to exploit it. He lucked into SpaceX because he found a team that knew what they wanted to do and he didn't get in their road (or they just ignored him). Falcon is a great success, especially when you compare it to other systems. The last NASA flights on Soyuz cost $90M a seat. Falcon 9/Crew Dragon is $70M for 4 seats. Its been an incredible success and Elon has been able to exploit it. Your dead right Elon's a charlatan but he's very cleverly (or by luck) put himself in the place to claim other peoples work as his own or imply he was the driving force behind their work.
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@shiftyjesusfish You've summed up his attitude pretty well. Go look you the channel "common sense skeptic" he pulls Elon's crap apart quite well. There's an extensive set of vids on the Solar City debacle. Somehow it seems Elon has slipped out of that one but who knows what the Tesla investors will do next. On rocket fuels, it really depends on which rocket fuel is being used. Liquid Oxygen (LOX) is one common common oxidiser but it can be mixed with refined Kerosene (RP-1) like it was with the Apollo Saturn V first stage or the with liquid Hydrogen as it was with the Space Shuttle or Methane like Elon's using. The space shuttle main engines just produced water vapour, it was just damn hot and moving really fast. the Methane engines produce mostly CO2 and H2O. RP-1 gets a little bit more weird as it has fractions that aren't healthy. Some of the solid propellants aren't so clean either, but overall if we try and point the finger at the rocket industry as spoiling the planet its like yelling at an ant while you ignore a herd of elephants. Don't worry about FKING up other planets. Either we learn how to look after this one or there won't be any of us left to go FK-UP anywhere else. We really don't have a lot of time to sort out how to live sustainably. Mother nature is just like a mistress. So long as you treat her right she will provide you with bounty, but if you don't she will wreck your life.
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@shiftyjesusfish There's a little known subject in that some call "planetary mechanics." Its sort of the first step in any ideas about terraforming. Its about raw numbers regarding how much stuff you need. Your not worried about the dynamics of the planet as it rotates about the sun (or a star) its just about how much stuff you need. Mars has a surface area of 144,000,000 km If you consider it like very big ball with 144,000,000 cubes stuck on the outside year sure there's gaps but then some of those cubes will have mountains inside. In quite simple terms you can approximate that to 144,000,000 cubic kilometers of AIR if you want to make the surface of Mars habitable. That's just the most basic thing getting enough air. Atmospheric air at sea level is about 1.2kg per meter cubed at around 20C. So that 1 kilometer or air around Mars would weigh something like: 1.2 kg/m3 * 144,000,000 km3 * 1,000,000,000 m3/km3 = 172,800,000,000,000,000 kilograms of air. Or dropping some zeros 172,800,000 Mega tons of air. To put that in perspective the entire world production of iron ore is about 3,000 Megatons a year. So its an extraordinary amount of air and its not simply locked up in rocks or ice. Were talking about going comet hunting for suitable sources of Oxygen and Nitrogen. If your wondering why this might seem crazy you'll now know why we don't discuss these things much. It just confuses people, but the most basic thing to realise is that planets are bloody big objects.
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As an aerospace engineer I love Elon for his enthusiasm and his investment. In that he has actually been a very, very good thing for space industrialization and without that we would be worse off. BUT I absolutely hate the fantasies he promotes at times. I suspect its his way of challenging people or his way of inspiring the public. Problem is those of us who know can see through it. I do remember Space Station Freedom because it was the solution to what's next when I was in college (late 80s). Then a little thing called the Challenger accident happened and our hopes crashed with it. Some things of note from that time. Apologies if the following is long and seems like lecture notes. 1: Space Station Freedom was first budgeted at $20Billion. That was TOO expensive so it was redesigned and then budgeted at $30 Bullion. That was TOO expensive and it was then redesigned for a second time and costed at $40 Billion. So that got scrapped and we got the ISS for $200 Billion. 2: The massive costs of operating the Space Shuttle and massive costs it added to the ISS are the main reason nobody has gone back to the moon in 50 years. There just wasn't any money left after the shuttle and ISS. The massive issue is with those costs is that the technologies needed for a moon bas or Mars base have never been fully funded and there's still huge amounts of work to do and most notably in life support. It wont matter if anyone goes to Mars and is dead from a lack of oxygen or carbon dioxide poisoning months before they get there. 3: After Challenger happened and people were calling to scrap NASA it was revealed that the Apollo program had returned almost $10 for every $1 spent. You see all those technological advances had finally started to filter through and pay off back in terms of sales tax and technology exports. Every body knows about Teflon, but many of the aluminum alloys we have across out industries came out of Apollo. But the biggest of all was the computer evolution from the size of houses down to shoe box size. All of Microsoft, Intel, Google, Facebook and the rest of them might not exist if the Apollo AGC wasn't built. The technology boom Apollo kicked off is still generating money to this day. 4: Kelly Johnson (yeah the guy behind the SR-71) told congress to not replace Challenger and instead spend the money on its replacement. He asked for the $3 Billion budgeted and no interference and estimated he could have an SST in 3-5 years. Boeing stepped in, Rockwell stepped in, others stepped and NASA got a 5th shuttle that also cost too much to operate. They then spent over $14 Billion on a shuttle replacement that was NEVER DELIVERED and that $14 Billion doesn't include anything spent on SLS, which still hasn't flown. Best wishes to all.
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@aporiac1960 Well you're a fair bit on the fan side and fairly blind to certain things. Your clearly not an engineer or you'd get the points being made. As I said I love Elon for a lot of what he's done, BUT that does not excuse him for some other things that he's got very wrong. Thunderfoot is quite right to have a crack at him for Hyperloop. it was dismissed decades ago for some fairly obvious reasons. The most obvious is the number of people it can transport which for its cost is utterly ridiculous. That was worked out decades ago. As for simply going to Mars, sorry but I DO HAVE THE EDUCATION to comment on that and he's so wrong on that task he ought to be slapped for it. He was totally brilliant on getting electric cars to market and breaking the mindless lethargy of the established manufacturers. BUT he was idiotically wrong on self driving cars and got caught out. Uber made the same mistake, so he's not alone on that one. Thunderfoot isn't perfect, but the arrogant brainless stupidity of these 2 that he's criticizing here is well founded. If you are too blind to see that then you're the insane person.
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