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Comments by "Tony Wilson" (@tonywilson4713) on "Andrew Yang Gets Ripped Apart Over Sociopathic Tweet" video.
No what he has shown is a lack of political experience. The more experienced players would have dropped a word salad and avoided the subject. The Israeli-Palestinian subject is the most toxic subject in the world. ANY answer will offend someone and get you labelled a racist, bigot, both or worse.
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Its called a lack of political experience. A more experienced player would have dumped a world salad and avoided it. The Israeli-Palestinian subject would have to be one of the most toxic subjects. Almost any answer offends someone and gets you labelled a racist, bigot, both or worse. Its almost become impossible to have any rational discussion on the subject. That last time I heard anyone be sensible was over 10 years ago when the King of Jordan was on the Daily Show with Jon Stewart and he said that if they didn't find a solution then this conflict would just go on for another generation and get worse. He was right.
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I'm going to go a bit against the tide on this because its all fairly one sided and the problem with taking sides in the Israeli-Palestinian is that its the most toxic political subject on the planet. Anytime you take even the slightest movement to one side or the other the other side immediately paints you as a racist or bigot or both or worse. A more experienced politician would have known how to dodge this, subject. Running for mayor of NY where there are powerful lobbies on both sides of the Israeli-Palestinian subject is a nightmare when something like this happens. Other than a clever word salad to dodge the subject there is no answer that wont get you into trouble.
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I'm going to go a bit against the tide on this because its all fairly one sided and the problem with taking sides in the Israeli-Palestinian is that its the most toxic political subject on the planet. Anytime you take even the slightest movement to one side or the other the other side immediately paints you as a racist or bigot or both or worse. A more experienced politician would have known how to dodge this, subject. Running for mayor of NY where there are powerful lobbies on both sides of the Israeli-Palestinian subject is a nightmare when something like this happens. Other than a clever word salad to dodge the subject there is no answer that wont get you into trouble.
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@allegory6393 Great well thought comment, but be careful that's a logical argument in a situation where logic is almost a crime.
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@Tijggie82 I'm not avoiding it and not ignoring it. I'm pointing out that ANY commentary about the Israeli-Palestinian is an invitation to an bad argument. Like this one. 🤷♂️🤷♀️ If you want to talk about genocide do we talk about the Arab view that Israel has no right to exist which is a form of genocide or do we talk about the Israeli refusal to accept hat the Palestinians have a right to exist which is ALSO a form of genocide. Avoiding a discussion on the utter mess that is the Israeli-Palestinian situation isn't an act of cowardice its common sense. If you think you can get both sides to agree to a solution when there are elements on BOTH sides who devoutly believe that the extermination of the other side is necessary then good luck.
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@Tijggie82 WTF are you trying to claim? Go back and READ what I wrote. I didn't directly say it, but it is kind of evil when you call for the eradication of a population and even more evil when you actually start doing it. I don't know how you consider it weird? On the intercept article that is great link. I'm not a great fan of Mehdi Hasan but he pretty much nailed that. It reminds of a conversation I had with a young Pakistani engineer I worked with about 6 years ago. It turned out his father was a member of the Pakistani Cabinet and he told me about dinners in his house (that he was present at) with US and Pakistani officials where he heard them discuss the Taliban and its funding. I first thought you were nuts with the Israel funded Hamas and in a way they didn't directly fund them. It was the usual method of infrastructure support. That fact that its explained as another "divide & conquer" gone wrong gives that story a lot of credibility. History is littered with failures in that area. The US support for numerous regimes that turned out to be atrocious human rights abusers is well documented. Most of those came about via "divide & conquer" plans many of which backfired.
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@Tijggie82 Naive - are FKing for real. How do you claim that being on the receiving end of terrorist attacks is a good thing. I can't believe you can be that idiotic to think those sorts of consequences justify supporting Hamas to get at Fatah. Go seek help because that's sociopathic thinking. That's Machiavellian at its worst. Do you know that Machiavelli coined the term "the end justifies the means" but he didn't believe it. He was actually trying to explain how others behaved and operated.
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@Tijggie82 Is English your first language, because its getting obvious you either can't read or are just trying to start an ugly argument for the sake of starting an ugly argument. Either be sensible of FK-off.
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@ClaytonGinther Another person (tag - allegory) in a related thread started by "FTW ALL DAY" in an answer back to me. Its a well thought logical comment, but as I replied its in a situation where logic is almost a crime. I remember years ago the King of Jordan was interviewed by John Stewart (on the daily show). He was in America as part of talks on the Israeli-Palestinian "Peace Accord." He told JS that if they didn't solve the Israeli-Palestinian issue then we'd (the world) suffer for another generation. I have tried finding a copy of the interview without luck. I remember it because he was so blunt and straight forward about the whole middle east situation and the war on terror. Its now about 10-15years later and he was just so right on what he said. It hasn't been solved and its now got global effects. 🤷♂️🤷♀️
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