Comments by "Tony Wilson" (@tonywilson4713) on "" video.

@justaguy9496 Its a great question, but needs a lot of clarification. First what most people fail to recognize is that there are significant parts of white western populations that have been smashed by the globalization that started with Reaganomics and Thatcherism. Because under that system manufacturing died and with it a many skilled trades (machinists, welders, mechanics,..... etc.). I'm Australian, but went to college in America (Aerospace U. of Illinois) and have spent the past 30+ years in automation, robotics and control systems. Starting in the early 2000s Australia went through an massive construction boom in mining to feed the Chinese beast. The whole time they screamed about shortages of machinists, welders, mechanics,..... etc. But under our version of Reaganomics we'd already stopped the majority pf training those skills needed. Worse - since that time we haven't fixed it. We dumped our car industry and most of the people dumped have not worked since. Doing that left a massive chunk of Australia behind and left out. Its almost identical to what happened in America's industrial heartland of Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan,..... etc. Places I know well from my time in America. The same happened in the industrial heartland of Britain. There was an episode of Top Gear dedicated to what the British car industry had once been. SO WHAT MOST PEOPLE DO NOT GET is that for many many middle class and lower middle class people in countries like America, Britain and Australia they NEVER EXPERICNED ANY PRIVILEGE. For most of the last 30-45 years they have seen all their hopes and dreams smashed with no real wage growth, the loss of job security, low rates of home ownership, declining public services combined with higher energy, water and food bills. I certainly don't support their views on many things or their behavior but I understand the PART of BEING LEFT OUT. These people have watched actors, singers, sports stars, company CEOs and others get more and more and more and more. What have these people got to feel privileged about? Remember Hilary Clinton thought so little of Michigan, Wisconsin and Ohio that she didn't even campaign there. People don't respond well to being told they are NOT WORTH IT. So when Professor Robert Pape is talking about being replaced. No one should be surprised at that when they look at the last 30-45 years. When these upper middle class people form gated communities look at what's happened to people they know from high school or college - WHY should anyone be surprised they are concerned when they are NEXT. 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♀️
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That's a great comment and I quoted you in a thread above started by jose martinez. About the only thing I would change is the word conflate and instead use "confuse" because America is in a state of confusion. There are staggering amounts of America (on both sides) that are so confused over what is and isn't true. Its far worse on the Trump side but there are those on the left who are as bad.
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@angie99656 I'm Australian but went to college in America and that is a fairly accurate description of their general mindset. Individual by individual it breaks down quite quickly when they have to reason by themselves. BUT when they are in a group and group think takes over you are pretty much right on the dot. As an example when I was there (late 80s) New Zealand banned all nuclear powered vessels - except for emergencies. There was a treaty called ANZUS at the time (Australia, New Zealand. United States) and it was nearly the end of it. The Americans around me went bat crap crazy - students, professors, everybody went nuts at the mention of New Zealand. They were all consumed by the audacity of this little nation told America what it could and couldn't do. They went ballistic over it. BUT if you got them 1 on 1 and very quietly asked them something like "is Vermont allowed to write its own laws" or "can the federal government tell Illinois what to do about a law." As long as you could keep them quiet they'd suddenly realise that all NZ did was tell Washington what all 50 states do all the time "tell them to fark off" 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♀️ But if you asked a group of them you risked your life.
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I think you are quite right in that, but to many there's a PERCEPTION that its swung to far. We sort of forget that for the last 40 years the bulk of western societies have seen almost zero wage growth and massive job losses to other countries. So to a lot of these people there is a PERCEPTION that they are being taken over. There's an intelligent comment just below this by Matthew Huszarik "It is a loss of privilege not rights. Most Americans conflate the two." I would have used the word "confuse" instead of conflate.
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@scph321 Its not just the Trumpist. Hilary was still blaming Bernie 3-1/2 years after he did all he could to help. She lost because she was stupid and got stupid advice like not campaigning in places like Michigan. Did she accept responsibility? Go round the world and its the same. Standard political procedure - its not my fault. The rarest thing in the world is a politician accepting responsibility. It does happen and usually as part of their resignation.
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@RTDF516 The whole trickle down, privatisation, neo-liberal thing went EVERWHERE. A few months back in a thread about this stuff a guy from Romania blasted of at everyone because foreigners went to Romania and told them privatisation of their power industry would bring "cheaper prices and better services through competition." Funny how that's the same story they fed us here in the 90s. Same story again and again and again and again. I love the last part about how they still love Reagan despite the fact he was the one who started wrecking Western Industry. I think there's nothing more stupid than idolising a political clown, especially one who was obviously lacking.
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@clenke0 What TF can't you understand? ANYTIME you label a characteristic on people based on their skin its RACISM. It doesn't matter what you background or history is if you label someone by the color of their skin its racist. There's a false myth that only white people are racist. I actually once had a person of Indian background who claimed that to my face after an incredibly racist comment he made. You want to see or hear racism without a white person present. Ask any of the the Asian people about other Asian groups. Ask the black Africans about the Arab Africans or vise versa. You'll be shocked at some of the attitudes. Consider the Disney animated film Mulan where Mongols are these dark skinned brutes who ride in like demons, climb over the wall and terrorize Mulan's sweet and benevolent culture. I'm certain the people at Disney never thought it was racist, but I wonder how Mongolian people feel??
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@clenke0 Fair point, but anyway you look at it that term "white privilege" is racist. It also totally ignores the historical evidence for privilege that was granted various classes in every societies throughout history. Military leaders, politicians and the wealthy from any and every society have largely done what ever they pleased. Go look at America right now and the "privilege" has far less to do with skin than it does with money and connections. Is that power class mainly white, yes but the term "white privilege" ignores the power and privilege of others.
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@bobs182 I get why you can say the first part but I don't think its worded right. One persons freedom can't deny another persons freedom which is the problem with discrimination and persecution. Part of that problem is that discrimination can be put in both either a positive or negative context. To discriminate is to select between options. Its a matter of why is someone being discriminated against. You can't be a pilot or drive a car if your eyesight isn't good enough. That's a form of discrimination, but its not considered negative. Persecution is fundamentally a negative context even when people try and spin it. I think what your trying to say is: Freedom includes the right to be biased or hold biased views towards other ideas or beliefs.
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@bobs182 Sorry I missed that but you do need at times to put in that little clarification because your comment read like "this is how you think" rather than "this is how they think."
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@johnd8776 Just the other day I was watching Mark Blyth talk about a few things and he mentioned a guy named Matthew Goodwin another political economist. This is the Mark Blyth Interview -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x1jkxGSSlE and the Triggernometry guys do some interesting interviews including a few people I would rather smack with a bat rather than talk to. They also interviewed Matt Goodwin several times and I've watched this one on what he calls "national populism" which how he describe things like Trumpism and groups like the Brexiteers. the basic definition is here -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Goodwin#National_Populism_(2018) What he's saying is these people aren't being driven by just one pressure but by 4 - destruction, deprivation, distrust and de-alignment. One of his Triggernometry interviews was about this stuff -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwO_cPULaBg Its more than this perceived loss of privilege and call it more of a loss of expectation. Most fo the Trump supporters had some form of expectation their lives would be better than they have been. Over the last 20 years the middle class have stalled across the Western world. That's the deprivation part (or some of it). They are angry and frustrated. They've seen billionaires bailed out again and again (like 2008). I remember back in the late 80s how Gen-X were being told they would be the first ever generation of Americans who could not expect a better life than their parents. For sure there's been parts of Gen-X who've soared to extraordinary heights in big tech or finance or stocks. But a giant slab of Gen-X just got left out and left behind. What does anybody really expect other than these people are angry, frustrated and will lash out?
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@luxxinterior5200 Way to prove how ignorant you are. ANYTIME ANYTIME ANYTIME You target people based on their skin color its RACIST.
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@luxxinterior5200 On you idiotic remark about the capitol rioters. I NEVER EXCUSED THEM, APOLIGISED FOR THEM OR EVEN COMMENTED ON THEIR ACTIONS. What I am commenting on is RACISTS LIKE YOU labeling every person in a group by the color of their skin. These people are a minority who DO NOT represent the rest of us. That's what I am saying DO NOT label the rest of us with their behavior, because THAT IS RACISM. Read what people say next time NOT WHAT YOU want to read into it.
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@user-jv8kr4im1t You almost made sense up until this line "The ideology of race is propped up by the idea that qwhyte people are more important and more worth listening to and learning about." Other than the typo its fundamentally flawed that the ONLY racial problem is with white people. There's no doubt that white people have been racist but to make any claim that they are the only racists or imply they are the source of racism is to show just how ignorant of history you are. In terms of racial superiority that's so common around the world in almost every society its almost as endemic as language. Do you know what the Han Chinese mean by the term "middle kingdom"? It means they (as a racial group) are in the middle between heaven and Earth as in they are ABIVE every other race on the planet. The Jews claiming they are the sole inheritors of God's promise to Abraham to save the world is another example. The Muslims claim that they are instead the true inheritors of God's promise to Abraham which is offset by the white European Christian claim to the same title. Go check the racial violence in Africa except there its called tribal violence. There was the Tutu versus Hutsi in Burundi. Or check out the various racial issues through Asia or the Middle east. If you get the chance ask any of Indians, Pakistanis or Bangladeshis about each other. I bet you have never heard Vietnamese and Cambodians talk about each other. Typical of so many you consider America to be indicative of the entire world and yet have almost no idea of the rest of the world.
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@user-jv8kr4im1t Are you effing serious? Race is not ethnicity as in the Rawandan genocide? I have seen people make stupid statements but that has to be one of the stupidest remarks I have ever seen EVER. It goes right along with the stupid claim I once got from an Indian (from India) that "only white people are racist." Then I asked him about Pakistanis and got the usual reply. I then asked him about how an Australian cricket player Andrew Symonds (who's partly Afro-Caribbean) was treated by Indian cricket supporters who called him a monkey and made monkey gestures at him. Are you going to claim that's NOT racist? No university professor or reasonable academic would back that claim up except for those few radicals trying to stir shite up. No BLACK professor except for a few fools like Sowell would back that up. I think you have a very weird view on what race means.
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@user-jv8kr4im1t You just one of those bullshite philosophy/poly-sci majors who just wants to argue DEFINITIONS for the sake or ARGUING Definitions. I met your type all through college. Simple facts don't matter. Logic Doesn't matter. Historical facts don't matter. As for common sense that shite is like Kryptonite to you people. The only thing people like you do is relentlessly twist arguments around and around in circles NEVER reaching a conclusion and NEVER SOLVING ANYTHING and if you are stuck you try some patronizing garbage which you've already done. Enjoy your political career its where you'll find a home getting NOTHING DONE as you praise how clever you are.
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@user-jv8kr4im1t Then that's makes you even worse. Go off do a some busking and stop bothering people with nonsense, ignorance and self indulgent garbage. Most of all STOP LECTURING people on subjects you DON'T understand.
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@sands7779 Most of the wage growth was actually ignored during that whole time frame. You'd need to ask Trumps campaign people why they weren't screaming it from the roof tops. As for non-whites of any kind being involved in the Jan 6th riot. Just look at Trumps base its mostly middle aged frustrated white small town Americans. They were who he targeted in 2016 they were who turned up at the rallies and they were who he targeted in 2020. Why would black people or any other non-white people turn up for a guy who didn't give damn about them?
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@ken7165 Are you really going to go digging through a conversation from over a year ago or are you too stupid to read dates? I have never "trotted out" that stupid ignorant crap about the white replacement theory as if its was some actual plan. But like every gripe and grievance that people have there's usually something there. Its what all conspiracies work on - they need something that is factual to lay their claims on. 1) The percentage of the American population that is white is getting smaller. 2) There are a number of predominantly white parts of the American population that have been smashed by globalisation. Its not called the Rust Belt because is all pristine and shiny. Many of the traditional blue collar manufacturing jobs have been lost. 3) Then there's been the devastation of things like oxycontin epidemic in many of those places. 4) The bottom 50% of the American population which includes people of every color including white people have gone NOWHERE for decades in terms of their economic situation. NONE of that means that other communities haven't been effected and NONE of that means there's some grand plan to "replace" anyone. BUT ITS an inescapable fact that these communities have not done well just like similar communities across the Western World have also NOT done well. As I said I'm Australian and our traditional blue collar communities have been utterly gutted by globalisation. In fact many of the decisions to move manufacturing to places like China were made by some of the same executives or their associates who shut down factories in America. Ford and GM shutdown in Australia and those decisions were made by the same clowns who made similar decisions in America. If you go and kick entire communities into the gutter they are going to look to blame someone or something. Its what makes it so easy for maggots like Trump to snatch the power base they do. Hitler and Mussolini didn't get elected into power because Germany and Italy were doing well. They got into power because people had been smashed and they were angry and frustrated and they lashed out. More recently the Brits voted for Brexit and that wasn't because it was a good idea. It was because a giant chunk of British society were tired of being told what to think and do by a pack of idiotic elitists who lived in London and didn't care what happened anywhere else in the country. So I don't believe in any of that white supremacist crap but I do understand how a SHlT like Trump can take advantage of a situation.
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@sands7779 I missed your comment back then, which was a shame because it was a damn good question. I only came back to their thread because some clown made a stupid remark. You are absolutely correct if you consider that Trump was trying to appeal to a group of Americans who'd been smashed economically for that last few decades then that message (or at least part of his message) should have appealed to African Americans like it did with Cuban Americans in Florida. I'd probably start with the fact a lot of African Americans don't trust white people and they'd trust Trump even less than they'd trust Hilary Clinton. After all he was the GOP candidate and most African Americans DO NOT vote GOP. The you could add in that Trump never really made much of an attempt to attract African Americans, while he did make some attempts to get Latinos and had success with Cuban Americans. I think the more interesting question that even today NOBODY seems to want to answer is how did Trump get the number of votes he got in 2020. He had over 11 million more votes than 2016 and for months all the polls said his base was shrinking. So where did those 11+ million voters come from? because I haven't seen anybody really address or analyse it, let alone answer it. I just checked and in 2016 in California the bluest of blue Liberal states Trump got 4,483,810 and in 2020 that went UP to 6,006,429. So that's 1.5 of the 11 million just in California. Have you heard anyone explain that or break it down. I think the Dems are living in a delusion that they'll get Biden re-elected because he's NOT Trump.
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That's a question that could or should be asked but remember it doesn't need to be with how many of them are currently claiming "Trump told me" or "Fox told me" IN COURT IN FRONT OF JUDGES.
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