Comments by "Tony Wilson" (@tonywilson4713) on "Wrecking Ukraine: The cost of Winning the War with Geopolitics Expert John Mearsheimer" video.

Do you know who this guy actually is? He's one of the main proponents of "offensive realism" out of the University of Chicago the home of the neocons and neoconservative ideology. He represents THE OTHER SIDE of American political ideology - American Realism as opposed to American Liberalism. I saw one of his lectures a couple of weeks ago that he did at Yale in November 2017 and it was BRILLIANT. I have never seen anyone explain why a particular political party did or was doing what it was. For anyone who wants to know WHY Ukraine eventually happened, it was the 2nd of 3 lectures on Liberal Hegemony November 2017. BUT and this is the GIANT BUT I have with this guy. His side gave the world the Invasion of Iraq for which there was no reason other than the neo-cons (his people) wanted regime change in the middle east. That cost America over a trillion dollars and cost 4,431 American lives. That's over 1,400 more than died on 9/11. It might be more pronounced in America but there's a horrible fact about Western politics that's become pervasive. and its best summed up by "What my side does is righteous and what their side does is wrong." Its an infantile selfishness that's making a mess of the world. Its like 5 year olds fighting over a sand castle. I'm Australian and we have it here, its just not as bad as America. Trump just declared everyone who didn't vote for him "the enemy." How infantile is that. Donald Trump called over 180 million American citizens "the enemy" of America. Mearsheimer's description of the American liberals is flawless and his criticism warranted, BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE if Biden was a Republican neo-con he'd be singing how righteous America's response is.
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@fica375 Good comment, unlike some others. I don't mind his assessments. In fact I think they are important to hear. What I do mind is people ignoring what his side of the conversation is about. Peter Zeihan pointed out several times that PART of Mearsheimer's assessments are also incredible ignorance. YES we need to give Putin a way out, but NOT on his terms. Yanis Varoufakis made that point out a while back and quoted Sun Tzu's "golden bridge". Either give Putin a way out or he'll flatten Ukraine just as Mearsheimer predicted back in 2017. Zeihan points out that Mearsheimer ignores that Putin has said he wants to dictate the security of almost 20 nations with a combine population of around 270 million people and that those 270 million would NOT have a say in it. Here 53:44 -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdP01go8wdQ
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Do you know who this guy actually is? He's one of the main proponents of "offensive realism" out of the University of Chicago the home of the neocons and neoconservative ideology. He represents THE OTHER SIDE of American political ideology - American Realism as opposed to American Liberalism. I saw one of his lectures a couple of weeks ago that he did at Yale in November 2017 and it was BRILLIANT. I have never seen anyone explain why a particular political party did or was doing what it was. For anyone who wants to know WHY Ukraine eventually happened, it was the 2nd of 3 lectures on Liberal Hegemony November 2017. BUT and this is the GIANT BUT I have with this guy. His side gave the world the Invasion of Iraq for which there was no reason other than the neo-cons (his people) wanted regime change in the middle east. That cost America over a trillion dollars and cost 4,431 American lives. That's over 1,400 more than died on 9/11. It might be more pronounced in America but there's a horrible fact about Western politics that's become pervasive. and its best summed up by "What my side does is righteous and what their side does is wrong." Its an infantile selfishness that's making a mess of the world. Its like 5 year olds fighting over a sand castle. I'm Australian and we have it here, its just not as bad as America. Trump just declared everyone who didn't vote for him "the enemy." How infantile is that. Donald Trump called over 180 million American citizens "the enemy" of America. Mearsheimer's description of the American liberals is flawless and his criticism warranted, BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE if Biden was a Republican neo-con he'd be singing how righteous America's response is.
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@meshzzizk Measrsheimer's "American realism" is as narcissistic as it gets. Yeah like American liberalism its sounds so good. Go check your history and look at America's hypocrisy and how many DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED GOVERNMENTS were overthrown by CIA orchestrated coups during the cold war. That was "American realism" in action. Common smart ass explain to everyone how America justified overthrowing democratically elected governments while at the same time telling the whole world it was the champion of freedom and democracy? Better still why don't you explain to the people of Iran, Guatemala, Chile, Indonesia and others how people like Mearsheimer and their "American realism" justified overthrowing their democratically elected governments.
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@VSP4591 see the reply I just gave to fica375
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@Torrriate Mearsheimer himself might have condemned it BUT IT WAS HIS NEOCONS WHO MADE IT HAPPEN. There was none of the Liberals he likes to condemn involved in that. You people are so blind and stupid.
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@semprelazio8864 Its NOT JUST Ukraine he wants. Here's Geostrategist peter Zeihan discussing what Mearsheimer has said. Goto 53:44 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdP01go8wdQ
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@semprelazio8864 And I checked his list of countries the 17 he lists 263 million people and if you add in Finland its 268 million. Russia population is 145 million including Crimea.
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@nzajflynn Sorry for the long answer but to answer that you need to understand where he sits in the American political spectrum. FIRST and most importantly America does not have a left and right like the rest of the world does. It has 2 very similar but opposed ideologies. They are like the sides to a coin or an imperfect mirror image. On one side are the Liberals who believe that liberty comes from limits imposed by regulations. THese peopel are most closely associated with the Democrats. On the other side are the Realists that we most often hear as Libertarians or Neocons and associate with Republicans. They believe liberty comes from not having a small government with almost no regulations. The character Ron Swanson (from Parks & Recreation) sums it up perfectly 20seconds into this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQwe6fV-teo Mearsheimer isn't simply a Realist he's basically the father of "offensive realism" which is an even more narcissistic form of realism than normal that we saw from the Neocons. He's a professor at the University of Chicago which is where the Necons were created. Its also where Milton Friedman taught for decades. Its one of what I call the Ugly Triumvirate of American Education - Harvard, Yale and U. Chicago. they have an incredible amount of influence over world affairs. there people are found in politics EVERYWHERE. Both Clintons - Yale, both Obama's Harvard, Ted Cruz Harvard, 14 of the last 18 SCOTUS judges Harvard or Yale and the next SCOTUS judge is also Harvard. Of those 3 universities U. Chicago is the least known, because that's how it operates, but its where the ideologies are formulated. Whether you want to call it Reaganomics, Thatcherism, Globalization or Neo-Liberalism it came out of U. Chicago, while its most fervent adherents and those who run Wall St and the rest of the global money supply are out of Harvard and to a lesser extent Yale. I'm Australian and they have a huge amount of influence here. The guy who built our privatised water market that's been a disaster is referred to as a "renowned Harvard graduate" Our water market is just like the Texas energy market when its working they are the first to stand up and tell everyone how clever they are. When its not working they are the first to stand up and blame others. The politics of the Neocons also came out of U. Chicago and no matter if Mearsheimer was for or against the Invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan it was the people on HIS SIDE of American politics, the ones we know as the Neocons, Libertarians and Republicans, that took the world into those conflicts. And all they have done since is blame others for why it failed. That's what I hold against people like Mearsheimer. They are great at pointing out the failures of others and great at praising themselves when their stuff works, but damn awful at blaming others when their stuff fails.
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@nzajflynn Well your history of the Neocons is so totally wrong its almost not worth answering. The "con" in Neocon is for CONSERVATIVE. They were the "New Conservatives" that cam out of Mearsheimer's "Offensive Realism" which is where they got their regime change philosophy. They might have taken his ideas out of context but that's not your fault or my fault. Yeah Clinton was huge on the NATO expansion but then he's a globalist neo-liberal and on that go look up "Mearsheimer 2019 Yale." He gave 3 lectures on the failings of the "Liberal Hegemony" and his assessment of the Liberals and their foreign policy is flawless - its perfect. I recommend those lectures to anyone and everyone who wants to understand the liberal side of American politics and why their foreign policy has been a disaster. WHAT I ALSO RECOMMEND is that people ALSO look into the OTHER SIDE of American politics, which is Mearsheimer's side - the Realists. The two sides of American politics are very similar and at times effectively identical, which Mearsheimer points out. Because of that and the labels they use its damn hard working out what they are on about. The Realist's like regime change to ANYTHING that aligns with them. They don't care so long as they can access resources. That's why they staged coups in places like Iran and Chile. The Liberals don't simply want regime change they want to rebuild nations with their version of Liberal Democracy. Go watch Mearsheimer's lectures on "Liberal Hegemony." He really does describe it perfectly and explain why they do it. He's brutal about it, but 100% right. I don't fault Mearsheimer for what he says about Liberals. I fault him because he implies his side is virtuous and wouldn't do anything as bad as what the Liberals do AND THAT'S NOT TRUE.
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@fatimabeirao4714 No more than any of the 1000s of others who advise governments to make bad decisions. Its one of the things we all underestimate. Who are these people that none of us chose or were publicly vetted and have incredible influence over what out our governments do. In that sphere of influence are many University Professors either directly or via their students. What's rarely discussed are the things they teach. Its poorly understood by the general public that there are special interests with enormous influence over universities via their funding programs. One of the biggest areas I'd like to see openly discussed is the influence of big business over university business schools. We often here about how leftists have corrupted education but we rarely hear how big business ahs been just as bad if not worse. Its well known in academic circles that places like Harvard, Yale and Princeton are incredibly well funded by banks and they write advisory papers to government that are fundamentally in the interests of the banking industry. So when the elected politician is being lobbied about banking and the lobbyist says hear look at what professor ABC wrote and he then asks his advisor who studied under professor ABC and confirms what the professor said is right. Its then a foregone conclusion the bankers get what they want. Its a very clever system where politicians think they are hearing independent opinions and they just aren't.
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@dimidochev2530 Your right there' weren't any nukes used in Iraq. BECAUSE THERE WEREN'T ANY WMDs IN IRAQ The neocons, Mearsheimer's people, LIED. That's what I find offensive about him. When his side makes a giant mistake that ends up with 1,000s of innocent people dying its not their fault. Its just more of that narrative "Our side is righteous and their side is wrong." When ever EITHER SIDE get caught out they have the same answer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKnX5wci404
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@elizabethwinsor-strumpetqueen Who's knows how many actually died in Iraq. Look at the range of numbers. There's only 1 thing we know for certain - it was a disaster. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War Right now in Ukraine Russia has admitted to about 4,850. Others are saying 10-15,000 and others over 22,000. Never forget that "truth is the first casualty of war." That's why I am calling out Mearsheimer's "realism" politics. His assessment of the American liberals is excellent and people need to be told, but people ALSO need to see that his version of American politics is just as bad and in the past has been WORSE. I hate this divisive "Our side is righteous and their side is filth" that's so pervasive in Western politics.
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@pauloferreira7543 You are absolutely right. Sorry for the long answer, but do you know the game Assassins Creed 3? The 2 protagonists Connor and Haytham are actually good examples of American Liberalism (Connor) and American Realism (Haytham). I don't know if the guy who wrote parts of the dialog was a genius or just lucked out. Connor feels its right to kill those who would deprive people the right to choose their own destiny as in he believes in freedom. Even if people are not ready to handle freedom responsibly he feels the need to fight for it - its hardwired into his ideology. He's what Mearsheimer calls a Liberal. Haytham feels people are selfish and will do what they want without regard to society, even to its destruction. He believes freedom leads to chaos and therefore society needs the guidance of a firm hand. Anyone who gets in the road of their firm hand needs to be eliminated - its hardwired into his ideology. He's what Mearsheimer calls a Realist. There's a scene where they are fighting and when Haytham gets the upper hand he says. "Even when your kind appears to triumph. Still we rise again and do you know why? Its because the order is born of the a REALIZATION. We require no creed. No indoctrination by desperate old men. All we need is that the world be as it is." The word realization is actually in capitals in the subtitles. You can see it here at 5:37:48. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdS5V2L7YbY What he says is almost straight out of the American Realist playbook. Its why the neocons of the Bush 2.0 White House could justify Invading Iraq. If you look here at Realism under the sub heading "Assumptions" it lists 4 things. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realism_(international_relations) Look at the next paragraph. Its an incredibly narcissistic view of humanity. And that's the world view Haytham has and anything is justifiable that allows him to be the "firm hand" in charge. You can see this narcissistic attitude in many Republicans (McConnell, Cruz, etc) and some Democrats notably Hilary Clinton.
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@evanburgess8428 Do you know Mearsheimer ahs also said that other nations like Iran should get nukes ASAP and that North Korea should NEVER give up there's? Its all there in a series of 3 lectures he gave on Liberal Hegemony at Yale in November 2019. If you do take the time Mearsheimer's assessment of American Liberalism its 100% right. He is right they can't help themselves and have to interfere in other countries. BUT in those lectures he doesn't go into what HIS SIDE does. He doesn't discuss what the American Realists (or as we know them Neocons) do. They don't actually believe in democracy because people are selfish and will vote for what's in their self interest rather than what's best. Their world view is quite narcissistic. I have heard them described as High Machiavellians in that anything is acceptable so long as they get the outcome they want. For example the Neocons wanted regime change in the middle east so they did whatever was necessary to oust Saddam Hussein. They want power so smashing America with an insidious culture war is fine. Lie, cheat, torture,..... whatever. Its all acceptable to them.
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@evanburgess8428 As I keep saying Mearsheimer's assessment of American liberals is right but all his fans are IGNORING what his side would do in similar circumstances. Peter Zeihan pointed out something Mearsheimer recently said in this interview at 53:44 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdP01go8wdQ
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@evanburgess8428 Yanis Varoufakis who's at the other end of the political spectrum said similar. He quoted Syn Tzu's golden bridge. Which (paraphrasing) goes. "If the only way to defeat the enemy is so destructive to be untenable then give him a golden bridge to escape over." In other words unless Russia CANNOT be quickly and decisively defeated then give Putin a way out that he can declare some kind of victory and look good in front of the Russian people. As in Putin can't have an exit from Ukraine like America did from Afghanistan. Biden INHERITED Afghanistan and 6months later who cares??? Putin STARTED this and he either finishes it or in Russian culture he's dead. Its not America so he wont get voted out, it'll be in a box.
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@evanburgess8428 Therein lies an unresolvable issue. Peter Zeihan talks about the gateways (mountain passes, plains, etc.) to Russia through which all the invasions of Russia have come. Putin said he wants control of all of them and that's where those 17-20 countries come in that he talks about here at 53:44 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdP01go8wdQ Its just NEVER going to happen. But that doesn't mean Putin can't get something that lets him survive.
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@javiermiranda5769 I agree on all that EXCPET THE FACT the invasions of both IRAQ and AFGHANISTAN was the orchestrated by the NECONS and the NECONS are realists. Their ideology was born out of the University of Chicago where Mearsheimer teaches his "offensive realism." This is the problem with American politics its NOT about Left and Right and never was its about 2 competing and similar ideologies REALISM and LIBERALISM. I understand its confusing even Mearsheimer admits several times they are identical or in agreement on various points. BUT THE FACT REMAINS it was the NEOCONS who are REALISTS who started those 2 wars. If you want to blame the Liberals for then taking over those disasters with their nation building stupidity fine, BUT THEY DIDN'T START EITHER WAR.
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Do you know who this guy actually is? He's one of the main proponents of "offensive realism" out of the University of Chicago the home of the neocons and neoconservative ideology. He represents THE OTHER SIDE of American political ideology - American Realism as opposed to American Liberalism. I saw one of his lectures a couple of weeks ago that he did at Yale in November 2017 and it was BRILLIANT. I have never seen anyone explain why a particular political party did or was doing what it was. For anyone who wants to know WHY Ukraine eventually happened, it was the 2nd of 3 lectures on Liberal Hegemony November 2017. BUT and this is the GIANT BUT I have with this guy. His side gave the world the Invasion of Iraq for which there was no reason other than the neo-cons (his people) wanted regime change in the middle east. That cost America over a trillion dollars and cost 4,431 American lives. That's over 1,400 more than died on 9/11. It might be more pronounced in America but there's a horrible fact about Western politics that's become pervasive. and its best summed up by "What my side does is righteous and what their side does is wrong." Its an infantile selfishness that's making a mess of the world. Its like 5 year olds fighting over a sand castle. I'm Australian and we have it here, its just not as bad as America. Trump just declared everyone who didn't vote for him "the enemy." How infantile is that. Donald Trump called over 180 million American citizens "the enemy" of America. Mearsheimer's description of the American liberals is flawless and his criticism warranted, BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE if Biden was a Republican neo-con he'd be singing how righteous America's response is.
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@meshzzizk BULLSHIT I didn't say he was for or against Iraq. His side of American politics THE NEOCONS did start the Invasion of Iraq. They DID lie and the DID torture people. He's teaches at the place University of Chicago where neoconservatism was born. He's one of the leading proponents of their ideology - "offensive realism." Go read what I actually said. Mearsheimer's right the American Liberals can't stop interfering in other countries because its hardwired into them. What I find repulsive is that its ALSO hardwired into his side to interfere in other countries as well.
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@quetailion6762 Actually among the American right he is certainly a leading voice and even more so in his niche "offensive realism." If you want to see some harsh criticism of him Peter Zeihan the geopolitical strategist was asked about part of his recent comments. Its here at 53:44 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdP01go8wdQ
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Just so people know who this guy actually is? He's one of the main proponents of "offensive realism" out of the University of Chicago the home of the neocons and neoconservative ideology. He represents THE OTHER SIDE of American political ideology - American Realism as opposed to American Liberalism. I saw one of his lectures a couple of weeks ago that he did at Yale in November 2017 and it was BRILLIANT. I have never seen anyone explain why a particular political party did or was doing what it was. For anyone who wants to know WHY Ukraine eventually happened, it was the 2nd of 3 lectures on Liberal Hegemony November 2017. BUT and this is the GIANT BUT I have with this guy. His side gave the world the Invasion of Iraq for which there was no reason other than the neo-cons (his people) wanted regime change in the middle east. That cost America over a trillion dollars and cost 4,431 American lives. That's over 1,400 more than died on 9/11. It might be more pronounced in America but there's a horrible fact about Western politics that's become pervasive. and its best summed up by "What my side does is righteous and what their side does is wrong." Its an infantile selfishness that's making a mess of the world. Its like 5 year olds fighting over a sand castle. I'm Australian and we have it here, its just not as bad as America. Trump just declared everyone who didn't vote for him "the enemy." How infantile is that. Donald Trump called over 180 million American citizens "the enemy" of America. Mearsheimer's description of the American liberals is flawless and his criticism warranted, BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE if Biden was a Republican neo-con he'd be singing how righteous America's response is.
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