Comments by "maslina10" (@maslina10) on "OxfordUnion" channel.

  1. Naomi, the U.S. has come pretty close to declaring, if not its Christianity, then at least its monotheistic foundations (and the Founding Fathers probably did not mean Islam:). Dec. 25 is a federal holiday here. One major school break is during Easter. The currency bills say, "In God we trust." The Pledge of Allegiance includes the words "one nation under God." George Bush senior doubted that atheists should be U.S. citizens. So, neither the U.S. nor Israel is a country for you. Find yourself a society with true equality, like some members states of the UN Committee on Human Rights. Maybe Saudi Arabia, where you can be arrested for not acting Muslim enough, or Ethiopia, where FGM is performed on almost all women, with an almost absolute equality. Well, if those don't sound equal enough, you can always try the Russian Federation.
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  2. +se7ensnakes Any documentary support for this claim of "genocide"? From another angle, let's use elementary logic. If Israel's intent was truly genocide, how long do you think it would take Israel to flatten Gaza? Instead, the IDF sends (and this is documented) leaflets and phone messages to Gazans telling them to evacuate the locations about to be struck, and directing them where to go for safety.
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  3. +Marcstylzzz A Why don't we go to sources? Alan Dershowitz cites UN documents and other historical documents in his "Case for Israel". Can you be on par?
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  4. +Rudolf Hessiansack A Jew who doesn't know her head from her ass. Israel never made the declaration she said. (Almost all Israel's enemies have.) But don't just take my word for it. Let's see if you can find documentary support for what she said and for what you are saying. Verify your revolutionary truth.:) One remarkable difference between Jews and Islamic radicals you will notice: the Jews are willing to take up the debate and cite sources, but the radicals threaten you physically if you contradict them. You might want to check if your position is different from that of the Hamas.:)
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  5. domnic0 Norman Finkelstein is not a DOCUMENT.
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  6. +Patternicity West Bank was captured by Israel from Jordan in a defensive war. Therefore, "home" for the West Bank Arabs is Jordan. Similarly for Gaza and Egypt. Don't just take my word for it. Check out the Wikipedia articles on Arab-Israeli wars. They cite documentary sources.
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  7. John Rogan And let's see what the data tell us: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10571755/Going-to-church-can-keep-you-on-the-straight-and-narrow-criminology-study-suggests.html
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  8. +Tahuan Tinsuyo Yes, especially with the sound off.:)
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  9. +Robert Brynin She could also be deliberately fabricating. See how popular this has made her.
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  10. abraham barr "Jews/Zionists are repressive occupiers of Palestinian land." Can you cite the specific international laws violated and the definition of "occupation" (under international law) that you are referring to?  Slogans are nice, but they don't add to debate.
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  11. abraham barr "I am no learning" I couldn't agree more.:)
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  12. yaser ababneh  I am not going "after" anyone.  I am holding EVERYONE to the same standard: if you make a claim you say is fact, then back it up.  This is the standard in all mainstream scholarly environments: a journal won't publish your article just because you say things.  The peer reviewers will ask for evidentiary support. So... "the biggest number civilian causalities cause by organized arm" Surely, you have documents that give the exact figures?  For example, comparing the number of Gazan civilians TARGETED by Israel (hint: warning civilians away from Hamas objects about to be struck is the OPPOSITE of targeting civilians) to the number of Palestinian Arabs killed in Syria. Also, could you please described, specifically, how Israel is "Apartheid"?  (Reminder: Apartheid would mean that a certain class of Israeli citizens has fewer rights under the law.  Which class would that be?)
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  13. domnic0 "Were missles found there?"  Of course, they were!  Thank you for asking.  Here is the UNRWA (!!!) website attesting to this: http://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/unrwa-condemns-placement-rockets-second-time-one-its-schools
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  14. domnic0 http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/17/unrwa-investigating-20-rockets-empty-gaza-school-palestinian Better?  And, if the schools is "vacant", all the better: fewer civilians around. As for "getting the fuck of Palestine", why don't you specify what you mean by "Palestine"?  First of all, if you think Israel should not exist, just say so, and we'd be done talking.
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  15. domnic0 "You are getting me angry." Why should I care about the feelings of an antisemite?  F***k your anger.  Deal with it. "A plant?"  How do you imagine that happening?  The IDF invisibly transports 20 rockets into a Gazan school and plants them there? What 1967 agreement are you referring to?  Please cite a source, so I know what you are talking about. If you think Israel should not exist, we are done talking.  Do you think that?
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  16. domnic0 Is this your only counter argument?  No documentary sources?  No direct responses to my questions?  I'll wait for those. For your information, here is the definition of "antisemitism":  Antisemitism (also spelled anti-Semitism or anti-semitism) is prejudice against, hatred of, or discrimination against Jews as an ethnic, religious, or racial group. SOURCE (see also references cited therein): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism
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  17. Patternicity As I said, please cite documentary sources.  Just repeating what you said before doesn't add any more weight.  Capturing land in a defensive war, according to the international laws of war, is NOT occupation.
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  18. DerrtyRidhey The Arabs are from the Arabian Peninsula.  The landmass known as Palestine has never held any sovereign Arab states, nor any other sovereigns except Jewish ones.  Scholars are in consensus on this.  Any refuting documents?
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  19. Patternicity The only military involvement is to prevent the Hamas fire on Israel.  Also, what do you mean, "their land"?  Did that land ever hold a sovereign Palestinian State?  No.  Only Jewish sovereign states. What other country under rocket fire would you ask to justify its defensive actions?
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  20. Patternicity And before the ottoman rule, it was under the rule of a few other conquering empires.  The first of these empires destroyed a sovereign Jewish state.   A "sovereign Palestine", by contrast, never existed.  (The Ottoman Empire was NOT a sovereign Palestine, just to be clear.)  You must know this, so you are being purposely dishonest.:) And, if te settlements are the problem, how come there was no peace in 1966, nor any serious movement for a "Palestinian homeland"?
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  21. Patternicity Exactly.  The Palestinian Authority isn't any more safe today than before.
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  22. Patternicity They never had any land to begin with.  The West Bank was captured by Israel from Jordan, in a defensive war.
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  23. Patternicity  I don't understand what your beef is.  There is no "occupation", only just enough military presence to control the activity of the Hamas-like organizations.  (Ending this presence in Gaza has led to full control by the Hamas.)  This military presence is not illegal: there was no previous legal sovereign.  (Jordan had captured this land illegally.) So, if you want Israel to stop existing, why don't you say so directly?
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  24. Patternicity And what's illegal about the settlements?  Is there a sovereign state claiming that land from Israel?  Was that land held by a legitimate sovereign occupant before Israel captured it?  No, no, and no.
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  25. Patternicity First of all, can you cite specific clauses in international law?  Second, what existing sovereign state wants to claim the land?  None.
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  26. A "NON-MEMBER UN observer state."  A far cry from a recognized sovereign "Palestinian State", which has never existed, just like the "Palestinian nation" never existed.  The majority of the PA are Arabs, same ones as in Jordan (in fact, mostly former Jordanian nationals), Egypt, etc.  So, the expression "their land" is meaningless. Israel doesn't "want the extra land so bad", it wants security.  Which the Palestinian Authority has miserably failed to provide.  If they could provide security, Israel would be more than willing to make concessions.  In fact, it offered the Barak-Clinton peace deal in 2000, which Arafat rejected. Making all the West Bank residents citizens of Israel?  So they use Israeli democracy to vote for becoming a Sharia state and killing the Jews?  Why don't you just say outright that you want Israel to stop existing as a Jewish state.  If that feels so right, what's the problem saying it?
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  27. Patternicity Not about safety?  Then what it is about?  Did withdrawing from Gaza and uprooting all the settlements there increase the security?  Did the Arab control of the West Bank, in 1966, result in a stable peace? Against a state based on a race or religion, are you?  Well, then you are against Saudi Arabia and all other countries ruled by the Sharia law: it is based on religion. Now, what would the Palestinian State be based on?  Wasn't the main claimed foundation some "Palestinian nation" (a race)?  Sure no one has been able to define what that is, but notice that a racial criterion was chosen. Have you ever found out the "right of return" criteria to other countries?  You have to prove that you belong--yes!--to an indigenous race: you are RETURNING (i.e., you or your kin have lived there indigenously). BTW, Israel is not based on a race: all races live in it.  It also has freedom of religion.
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  28. Patternicity http://www.algemeiner.com/2012/05/07/senior-hamas-official-certain-palestinians-from-egypt-yemen-and-saudi-arabia-not-israel/#
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  29. Patternicity It is perfectly on the subject: you used the phrase "their land".  I am refuting that claim.
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