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There are a lot of people that agree with you, they're generally male and young and often from a position of a certain amount of entitlement. I find the aesthetic interesting and fascinating but it's definitely not a utopia. And I would like to point out that the people that created cyberpunk didn't think it was one either.
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It's pretty. That's all the value it needs. Artistic expression is inherently valuable to humanity.
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@dootdoot5891 the style is attractive but the reality... 😬
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1. It's a drive to exploit a new market. With intentional decisions made to exploit it as financially effectively but as environmentally inefficiently and unsustainably as possible. 2. Charity is nothing but a Band-Aid over a bullet wound dressed up to make people feel better after conscious attempts to destroy actual infrastructure that would make meaningful contributions to problems. 3. The clean water act was reputated, slandered, lied about and actively lobbied against by almost every major industry in the United States prior to it being passed. And was only passed due to such colossal environmental degradation as to be overwhelmingly popular despite the amount of lobbying otherwise.
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Not at all. Unlike hippies, solar punks actually accomplish things.
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@noahbirthisel3285 allow me to jump to the end of the following script: I suggest any number of actual solarpunk acts and efforts. You have away with the goalposts at every suggestion, demanding that the perfect be the enemy of the good. Because of course if something isn't perfect it's useless. 🤔😒🤷🏽♂️ And so I'll just jump past all that and settle on the best possible answer, artisanally crafted for such things. "Cool story, bro."
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@noahbirthisel3285 "cool story bro"
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SAME.
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@Justin-og9gu Your capacity to interpret whatever you hear said into whatever you already believe does not create on behalf of the person who said it ending necessity to acknowledge your fantasies of interpretation is where the reality of what they were communicating.
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Right?
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Certainly. It's not too hard to imagine any settled Earth type environment being solar punk in aesthetic purely out of the advanced nature of the technology required to get there in the first place.
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That's a particularly adolescent point of view.
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Your second sentence is goddamn gold. I'm not going to say that I'm stealing it so much as, it's a brilliant insight and I'm going to share it elsewhere. Nicely said.
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@poppysunsettlingstories Yeah no. He said some really awful shit out loud.
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👍🏽
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Excellent comment Zhou. 👍🏼
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It is a very particular kind of child, we have a word for them "adolescents" who stories must be filled with overwhelming and simplistic conflicts to validate where their brain is at in its particular arc of development. In a world facing the impacts of GCC there will be ample conflict. But the affected jadedness that demands that nothing be hopeful or inspiring to satisfy their adolescent need for a world on fire to hide any nuance... Meh. Some grow out of it, some don't grow.
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No.
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There's always a guy like you and he's generally a guy, and a lot like you. Someone else comes up with an idea, and here you are showing up how to tell the people that came up with the idea "No it's really about this, and this is the only way you can do that and that's it" Solar punk from its inception had a decidedly political aspect to it. And your attempt to reframe the narrative is noted and the reply is succinct. 🖕🏽😁
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Not even vaguely. More like "a society built more around co-ops than corporations that also accepted the reality of GCC and addressed it as an existential threat."
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Yeah it's almost like there's this constant thread of shittiness and it all seems to be related to capitalism no matter where you turn.... 🤔
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That's a pretty stupid way to look at it, but given the assumptions inherent in your statement... Yeah
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That's a particular kind of adolescently silly viewpoint.
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@eccoeco3454 Because it's not a resolved world, and the feeling that endless misery and failure loops, that shadowy big bads and grey dystopianism are a necessity for a valid life or story is the kind of point of view born from high school. Very specifically, it's born from the idea that life is defined by constant unuanced struggles with guns and explosions and misery. It's an unimaginative jadedness. A world being healed, remade, reimagined and re-explored has an abundance of challenges. And hope, exploration, invention and innovation are joy and fuel enough for stories and real lives.
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Nuclear weapons. A nation could be organized along these lines and maintain a mutually assured destruction aspect to its national defense. Never leaving its borders, or rarely so and only along with allies, but maintaining the capacity to exercise overwhelming response. To be honest it wouldn't even have to be nuclear in design. A culture that is sufficiently advanced can place a rock high enough in the gravity well and immediately inform any nation that attempts to invade it that they get to experience their own personal Chixulub If they violate their territorial sovereignty. A solar punk group would not have to be necessarily pacifistic.
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Not really.. more work, less shitting in the concert mud field.
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I think the genre had its place and has its place, I think you need to have the warning and the wish. But I am definitely here for a brighter, more hopeful future and dream.
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This punk says it is.
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The perfect is not the enemy of the good. And those who make it so are the problem on either end of the spectrum. Whether they are the cynics who say unless you are a saint you are the worst of the sinners, or the purists looking to manufacture internal conflict for hierarchy reasons. Green ideologies will manufacture technology, but instead of orienting the most important goal as efficiency towards producing maximum profit, the orientation will be towards efficiencies producing maximum sustainability. These will actually be more labor intensive, and likely less immediate, less rapid and certainly less disposable solutions. But they will be solutions as opposed to either increasing problems or can kick down the road. Many of the systems presently being impacted, are regenerative, But have been subtracted from much more than they've ever been given time to regenerate or rest. Solar punk in part as an aesthetic and an ideology is about sliding technology production towards the above mentioned orientations.
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Sexy, ain't it?
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You're twelve. Noted.
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It's not at all a conflict. Governance accepts in its statement, that the individual must accept a certain amount of hedging of their freedoms so that the public Commons can be defended against abuses.
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