Comments by "nunya" (@nunya54) on ""Christians Are too Tolerant" - Intense Debate About Modern Christianity u0026 Islam" video.
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Jesus was the way to God during his time to who HE was sent to; the lost sheep of Israel. All prophets were the way TO God (not God) during their times as well to who they were sent to. Logically, it makes no sense otherwise that any other prophets were sent then @Neilfachman1234
Muslims say Jesus was never crucified just like the Christians alive during that time said he was not crucified and just as evidence proves he was not crucified. Even in Christendom, which has no actual evidence of him dying, there is skepticism and the story has scriptural errors and goes against historical evidence. Basilides taught it was Simon of Cyrene instead crucified "through ignorance and error". The early Christians, like the Docetae, said it was an illusion. He was not really killed. Those like Origen of Alexandria said the story must have had scriptural errors due to the name Jesus Barabbas being included and we know in other parts of the Bile, they were indeed making up stories (like Matthew and his famous mistakes, writing Jesus into prophecies that did not exist to quell Jewish skepticism).There are lots of details of the story that do not add up, that are contradictory, that are illogical and there are no witnesses as claimed.
Definitely do not follow those teachings is false. Islam has a far superior and complete justice system than what Jesus followed and upheld. In Islam, God requires Muslims to love what He loves and hate what He hates but that they still have to treat everyone just and fair and plenty of examples of this can be found in the narrations of Muhammad and how he and the Muslims treated Jews, Christians, their neighbors, their captives of war, etc. There's a reason the Jews fled to Muslim countries for refuge (away from the Christians actually) and why people preferred living under Islamic rule than Christian rule. God and Muslims do NOT love evil and harm though, and this is part of the perfection and completion of Islam that takes into account the actual nature of people, from God, the creator of people.
Please make sure you learn history as the Bible is not historically accurate and does not align with what Christians actually believed for three centuries before the aberrations of the many men who authored the Bible and developed Christianity (it not being from what Jesus taught or God revealed). No, it is not a joke. It's very serious. Our souls depend on having this correct knowledge and understanding the difference between the ACTUAL religion of Jesus (and Moses and the other Israelite prophets before him) and Christianity and being able to follow Jesus truthfully, as he taught and God revealed.
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That's because Christians still BELIEVE in the OT whether they follow it or not. The Bible says If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people.
Either this is from God or it's not. Doesn't seem Christians can agree. You either admit it's written by men or it's from God and they're being hypocritical if they're not criticizing their own God for the same laws.
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@Sticklemako Which other religions they did destroy? The Jews said it saved them. The Christians sought refuge in Muslim lands too.
"Jewry in the west would have declined to disappearance . . . and become just another oriental cult. But this was all prevented by the rise of Islam. The Islamic conquests of the 7th century changed the world . . . .for the Jews. Within a century of the death of Muhammd in 632, Muslim armies had conquered almost the whole of the world where Jews lived, from Spain eastward across North Africa and the Middle East as far as the eastern frontier of Iran and beyond. Almost all the Jews in the world were now ruled by Islam. The new situation transformed Jewish existence. Their fortunes changed in legal, demographic, social, religious, political, geographical, economic, linguistic and cultural terms - all for the better. The Jewish Chronicle, 24 May 2012 (online).
This is not to say the Jews never suffered any oppression at the hands of unjust Muslim rulers at all but overwhelmingly, they fared much better in the Muslim lands. "History of the Jewish People." (Haim, Hillel Ben-Sasson, Harvard University Press (1985). 500 years of Jewish history with a consistent pattern that throughout Islamic history, the Jews cared well and lived in comfortable conditions.
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Why not? The Bible says to. If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. The Bible is barbaric?
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You actually can't vouch for every Christian @Neilfachman1234 And you can't claim to follow Jesus' teachings as Christian because you don't actually have a complete, original, unaltered text of his teachings. Modern Christians follow the teachings of Paul. For example, if we look at the Bible and read what Jesus taught of salvation and what Paul taught of salvation, we find Christians after the third century following what Paul taught and Paul did not quote from Jesus in this teaching and was refuted by James and Jude in this teaching.
The idea that Jesus is God or the son of God did not come from Jesus as well or any authentic scripture nor was it believed by the Jewish Christians that Jesus said he was exclusively sent to for three hundred years and that he taught directly. This is why Christian scholars like John Toland ask how is it possible to be the first of all others (for they were made to be the first heretics), who should form wrong conceptions of the doctrines and designs of Jesus? And how did the Gentiles who only believed in Jesus after his death from the preaching and information of people that never knew Jesus, have truer notions of doctrine and Jesus or when could they have their information from the believing Jews.
The true teachings of Jesus were basically lost after the third century and the teachings of Paul were all Christians had access to. The monotheistic message of Jesus worshipping God alone became the polytheistic message of Paul to worship Jesus instead of or alongside God, going against the first commandment. Jesus did not teach he was Lord or savior. His teachings of salvation in his parables was salvation being through through the combined factors of faith, repentance, obedience and works, after God's grace and mercy; not salvation through his blood sacrifice (Paul's teaching). Learn the truth about Jesus and what his religion was. If you go back to James' understanding of Jesus, then you will know the true Jesus (Read the brother of Jesus by Jeffrey Butz).
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@falagivaili1655 He fulfilled the law meaning he FOLLOWED it; not abolished it. That is what modern Christians after the third century adopted to make Christianity easy for pagan to convert to. You don't have to follow the law, just accept Jesus died for your sins. Did Jesus say that? No. He said the law could NOT be abolished and the disciples and his first followers continued to follow the law for hundreds of years after him. If the law was finished, why did they do that? Why come with the law, uphold the law, why send the law in the first place if God knows humans couldn't uphold it? Abolishing the law is what made Christians sinful!
No, the law is not impossible to do. Muslims uphold the laws and run whole societies with it. No individual person is perfect but that does not mean they can't follow and be held to the laws that God sends. Why do you think Christian societies are so sinful, so degenerate, have so much crime, are the most murderous, have the most abuse, etc? Because there are no laws to abide by. No laws to prevent abuse and harm and punish it accordingly. You are not speaking about what Jesus did, taught or acted upon. You are speaking what later Christians remixed Christianity to be, the fruits of which, we can see is falsehood.
No, you don't put your trust in Jesus because you don't take from reliable sources about him. You put your trust in a religion created by men after Jesus that were not reliable and made up their own ideas instead. Where does Jesus anywhere say your salvation is through my dying for your sins? That is not what he taught in his parables of how to earn salvation. Paul, again wrote Ephesians. Those are not Jesus words or teachings. And do you know how and why James and Jude in their epistles criticized that teaching? Because it led to sin!
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