Comments by "nunya" (@nunya54) on ""This Is Bullsh*t!" - Reasons Why The Islamic Faith Is The Fastest Growing Religion" video.
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@tabitha72 hi Tabitha, sorry that is not true. The Bible has prophecies of two messiahs. You can still find them in the Bible despite the corruptions and the Jews were very aware of this, the Tribe of Levi in particular which is why they left their lush homelands to go to Arabia. He also did perform miracles. I'm curious where your source is on that because I see people saying this all the time and wonder why. All prophets performed miracles, just like Jesus, some greater miracles than Jesus. Muhammad as well; may. Muslims do not pit prophets against each other though but believe in all of them and know we do not have to pick and choose but we follow the path they were all upon. We simply all have had different prophets and messengers sent to use throughout time from Adam on and Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of Israel during his time as Muhammad was sent as the lost prophet during his time and for the end of time.
Muslims do not believe in immoral prophets like those who believe in the Bible do. We believe God only chose the best of mankind to relay his message and they all acted on instructions from God and had the best manners even before revelation. We know the Torah we have today is not what was revealed to Moses as prophets of God do not walk naked, get drunk, sleep with their daughters or any other majorly sinful acts. Neither did Muhammad. He married his adopted son's ex-wife and adopted children in Islam are not like Western modern adoption. It is only a form of charity. The child does not take your name and is not raised as YOUR child. They cannot even be alone with the mother or sisters if they are men and must observe hijab and separation just like any other non-related man or woman. God ordered this specific action because the people of that time would NOT marry those men's ex-wives and that is something God wanted them to do. Taking caring of, providing for women and marrying them is very important in Islam. This marriage as well as others of his were examples for them to follow in marrying widowed or older women, not the women most men seek after first.
His marriage to Aisha as well, was on God' s instruction and was not immoral nor abnormal for anyone at that time from amongst the Jews, Christians, Hindus, everyone across the world. When she consummated her marriage at 9, this is within the range that is allowed by God as it is as biological requirement of puberty as when a girl could conceive a child, she was considered a woman, then, by all and in Islam always (this was the same age Christians got married at the time as well). In Islam, women have the right to marry and be provided for when they are physically and mentally ready with their consent and are not restricted to a specific age. As long as these requirements are met, she can decide when to get married. Revolutionary idea I know for some at the time considering how others were treating women (as well as Christians who were at that time debating if women had souls!).
Believers in God do not place their subjective opinions over God's legislation. Sure, I know many Christians do that as they adapt away from their religious legislation and Bible and place what they think over what God said, or what other men thought like Paul, but Muslims do not do that. They believe God is the Creator and knows His creation best and that he also knows biology more than anyone and what the future would hold and legislated accordingly. He did not leave us to have to change His laws and figure out the best way and change year after year, century after century.
Not sure how Muhammad is dead is a proof against him being a . . . what? Human? All prophets are human and dead or will die like Jesus who Christians claim already died (how can God die?) but the earliest Christians knew he did not die (but he will in the future too after he returns), nor did anyone in the first century believe he died.
Jesus was a servant or slave of God and not too proud to be. He also never taught that he was the son of God or God himself. No one during his time or after knew that until the time of Paul when he invented the idea. How can someone be fully two things? Fully God and fully NOT God? Who created that idea?
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Those things do exist everywhere which is why God legislated against them. He knows humans and what some of them will do. There is no pedophilia in Islam. It seems what you are trying to say is some Muslims practice paedophilia but that would also be false as that is a term that is used subjectively. For example, at what age do you consider a child or not for marriage or consent? Muhammad did not force ANYONE let alone his wife to doing anything like that. Rape was and is never allowed in Islam. Those are lies those who do not know better or who hate Islam come up with just like the Jews said about Jesus being a womanizer and seducer. Aisha was his wife, who wanted to marry him and was a woman at a young age, just like all the women during that time who became women at puberty when they could conceive a child, between the ages of 9-12.
He also did not marry his "own son's" daughter. He married his adopted son's daughter at God's instructions to be an example to show these women should be married and not left alone to not be taken care of. Adoption in Islam is not like in the modern West. Children are not adopted and given new names and raised as your own child. It is a form or charity where you take care of the child, they keep their name and lineage; they also do not free mix with the family. A boy would have to observe separation from the women in the family and the women be fully covered around them and the girl would be covered around the male family members and not be alone with them like a normal sibling.
There also is no persecution of non-Muslims; a claim often made but not substantiated in history or in the legislation in Islam which requires Muslims to give good treatment to all. This is why people always lived contently in Muslim societies throughout history. This is why the Jews sought refuge in Muslim lands when the Christians were coercing and killing them out of existence. "Beating your wife" is also incorrect as that word is admonish and often misunderstood and is the last step in a series of steps to prevent a disobedient wife from destroying herself and her family. That "beating" is with a miswak (look it up) and does not cause embarrassment or pain but is to call attention to her actions to benefit her, not harm her.
Muhammad also does not contradict ANY prophet before him. They are all aligned in their message to worship God alone without partners and shunning idolatry. He only contradicts the lies told in the Bible about evil and immoral prophets, which, I don't know why any of those things would bother a Christian since they claim to believe in prophets who did worse like sleep with their own daughters. If we look at what we can authenticate from the words of Jesus, we find the message of Jesus and Muhammad to be the same. Muhammad fulfills the requirement laid out in the Bible to be taken from as a prophet and prophesizes of him exist in the Bible, at least in ten places. False prophets more likely refers to the founder of Christianity, Paul as false prophets were always revealed in short time and Paul was refuted by the righteous followers of Jesus, like James and Jude in their epistles and considered a heretic and apostate of the law. False prophets were always revealed in short time. Muhammad has been a prophet for over 1400 years and nothing he's said has been proven false.
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It's 2023, most intelligent people know those things are not true of Muhammad. Please learn more to benefit yourself. There was no and never has been allowed to abuse or RAPE anyone. There were no such things as "sex-slaves" Those are things people either misunderstand or make up since they can't actually criticize the foundations of Islam. They look for strange obscure things they think they can twist but those things are not true. Muhammad was the leader of a nation, like Moses and all leaders of nations fight wars. They also fought some of the most bloodless wars in history. Warmonger is inappropriate though if we're calling him that, we're calling all leaders of nations that.
There also was no pedophilia and since you mentioned the Bible, you should be aware Judaic Law in it that allowed girls to marry at age 12 (and 1 day) which by most people, who go by men's ideas instead of God's, would also be considered paedophilia today. That would be the law Jesus followed and supported and said he came to uphold. Consummation of marriage in Islam (and Christianity) was only allowed at puberty, when a girl was physically and mentally mature; so, no, No pedophilia (which anyone who knows history knows that is when Jews and Christians got married too). Jewish girls married between 12-13. All girls around the world married between 9-12.
No, she was never impregnated but not sure why that would be a problem. That was his wife. Sounds like that is from the prudish ideas of Paul instead of Jesus whose ideas led to monasticism which lead to sexual abuse.
No, he did not equate black people to animals. Again, one of those false claims. As you noted, he was buying the slaves to FREE them. Islam was a religion of freeing slaves, not acquiring them. Something clearly known by people who actually read the Quran and the hadith.
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Christians claim to love everyone and they are also lax in their belief system; they also have adapted away from their book and claimed revelation. So why not adapt more? For example, the Bible says adulthood is at 12/13 but they have changed that age over time, subjectively, when men change their minds. If they can change their mind about what they claim God said, then they can change their mind about same-sex marriage as well, or at least that is what some people think. And as many of them say about coming to Church, "come as you are."
Muslims do not claim to love everyone and everything. Muslims are required to love what God loves and hate what God hates. They are also required to give people good treatment. So they should not be killing or mistreating anyone unjustly. Vigilante murder is not allowed in Islam. They can give people their rights though while hating their evil but if God lays down a law against a certain action, Muslims will believe in that. Islam means to submit to God in worshipping Him alone and shunning idolatry and Muslims believe God knows best His creation. So if he says homosexuality is bad, then they know allowing them to have sex or get married is not only harmful to those individuals but harmful to society as well. For God only allows what is good and forbids what is evil and harmful to people. God is merciful like that.
But when you come from a faulty religion such as Christianity (created by men and not from Jesus), then you will be wishy-washy, you will not be clear on what you stand on (did Jesus die for your sins or not? IF he did, why do your sins matter?) and you will sway with the wind. They have been loose with other things, why not that as well. Are they calling out the evil sin of interest/usury? Are they calling out the rampant fornication and adultery? They're really not even calling out the clergy abuse in their religion.
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@jesusisthetruth4131 The Bible being corrupted, being known to be written by anonymous individuals is not a Muslim belief. It is a fact, established by Rabbis and Biblical scholars. Why would we say the Bible with all the mistakes is from God? Who would believe and say God sent a book with contradictions and mistakes? What a fauly thinking of God. Dr. W Graham Scroggie of the Moody Bible institute, Chicago, one of the most
prestigious Christian evangelical missions in the world says about the Bible in his book “It is human, yet divine”:
“...Yes, the Bible is human, although some out of zeal which is not according to knowledge, have denied this. Those books have passed through the minds of men, are written in the language of men, were penned by the hands of men and bear in their style the characteristics of men....” Another erudite Christian scholar, Kenneth Cragg, the Anglican Bishop of Jerusalem, says in his book, “The call of the minaret”: " . . . Not so the New Testament . . . There is condensation and editing; there is choice reproduction and witness. The Gospels have come through the mind of the church behind the authors. They represent experience and history . . . ”
Who says the Bible is the word of God anymore?
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@tabitha72 Yep, there sure are two and the Jews, you know, who Christians took part of their book from, were very aware of this which is why they left their lush homeland for the harsh deserts of Arabia to look for him, the Tribe of Levi in particular. Why do you think the Jews were in Arabia to begin with? Where do you think Mount Paran, Teima or Teiman is? The Ahmad of all nations, the unlettered prophet with the fiery new law, who fought the sons of Kedar with 10,000 saints who was like unto Moses but from outside of Israel, from the vision of Isaiah of the chariot of camels, the burden of Arabia? Not Elias? Not Jesus? Not THAT prophet? Why do you think there are prophecies that don't fit Jesus or Moses or anyone else but DO fit Muhammad? So one would have to concede, they are Muhammad, they are someone we are still waiting for (like the Jews are and they actually knew and rejected Muhammad because he was an Arab), or the prophecies don't make sense and are pointless but that would not be the first time prophecies in the Bible are not based in anything.
God Himself created that idea, to be fully God, and fully human yet there is no evidence of God saying this anywhere. Jesus’s other disciples who never met Jesus. They wrote those ideas but they did not know or follow Jesus nor were their gospels circulating during his time. No one even knows who the gospel writers are. What were their full names? No one knows who John is and scholars are pretty sure now John, Matthew, Mark, Luke are not even who wrote the gospels and from their style, it was probably many authors who did. Who were they? Who is telling you Jesus is God? It certainly isn't Jesus and it certainly isn't God.
Christian do not believe that God is a trickster or fraud but they do believe God will kill his own son or kill himself, commit suicide? And they also believe God sends delusions in the Bible. They think Jesus thought God had forsaken him, caused him to die a humiliating death, walked through the streets naked, nailed to a cross, left to be eaten by vultures and ultimately disintegrating? Then, after being arrested as a rabble rouser and killed buried in a tomb like he was noble? Come on. And this is with all the other evidence against the story and the evidence that no one believed Jesus was God or died during the time he was on earth or even in the first century! Why do you think there were three schools of thought about Jesus? Why were the Christians fighting bloodily over who Jesus was? Why did the Church have to call the councils and DECIDE who he was? This count NOT be because the scripture was clear, right?
Because you don't think God has the ability to trick the evil people trying kill Jesus but would rather than him save Jesus, have him kill him instead? Again, Jesus did not say he was dead and resurrected. WHO exactly said that Jesus said that? Who wrote Revelations, who wrote John? And before any of that how can God be Ever Living and temporarily die? This is incarnation, a pagan belief.
Those who try to impose that Bible is corrupted, they are either ignorant or evil. So your scholars are evil and ignorant? Since no Biblical scholar can say the Bible is NOT corrupted? People attack the Bible because IT IS NOT TRUE. If the Bible is God's book, and he is able to protect it, why are so many parts corrupted? You do NOT have the Torah, Zabur and Injeel. You have an assumption of the Torah, an assumption of the Zabur and the Gospel of many men. The Quran is not speaking about those book we have today. It is speaking about the Torah revealed to MOSES. Not the book you have today called the Torah that the Rabbis don't know who wrote but the Bible says came through the hands of evil and wicked Israelites who would kill their prophets, bring shame on their faces, provoke God to anger and CHANGE THE SCRIPTURE. Whatever God tells them to do, they go against it. Whose testimony are you taking? The Injeel is the Gospel of JESUS and any Christian will tell you, we do not have the Gospel of Jesus.
You can go wherever you like Tabitha. Trust me it's been 1400 years and no claims against Islam have been substantiated. Perhaps there are a some things you misunderstand and need clarification on. Send the issues you have and if I can, I will respond to them but I am curious about your take on the Bible so I will send a second message so this is not too long . . .
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Two early papyri, which overlap across seventy verses of John's Gospel, differ at no less than 70 places (after obvious scribal errors) An average of one variation each verse. If they were being changed to such a degree, even a gap of a century between and original and its first survival is long and potentially disastrous. We simply do not know what may have happened to the words at important places (Robin Lane Fox, The Unauthorized Version, 1992, 139-140)
Why were the New Testament authors unable to reproduce accurately the texts they needed from the Old Testament? And are these inaccuracies compatible with a work that claims for itself Divine inspiration? Why were the gospel writers unable to produce accurately the texts they needed from the OT if they had Divine Inspiration?
Only one statement is true Psalm 40:6-7 reads: 'Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required. Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me.' Paul reproduces this passage in Hebrews 10:5-7: 'Sacrifice and offering thou wouldst not, but a body thou prepared me: In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast no pleasure. Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me) to do thy will, O God.' The misquote is clear. Peake's Commentary says (p.896): "As usual the writer (Paul) quotes from the Septuagint which reads 'but a body hast thou prepared me' instead of 'mine ears thou hast opened' as in the Hebrew version." Henry and Scott's compilers have said: "This is a mistake of the scribes. Only one of the two statements is true."
'Then was fulfilled what had been spoken by the prophet Jeremiah, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him on whom a price had been set by some of the sons of Israel...' This excerpt turned out to be one of Matthew's best known mistakes. The statement he ascribes to Jeremiah is not found anywhere in the Old Testament Book of Jeremiah. A passage similar to it, however, is found in Zechariah 11:13. Horne observed in his Bible commentary (Vol.2/pp.385-386): "Some scholars think that it is an error of Matthew's version and the copier wrote Jeremiah instead of Zechariah; or it may be a later addition."
Another of Matthew's famous errors is found in his Gospel at 2:23: 'And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called Nazarene.' This prophecy is not found in any of the books of the prophets in the Old Testament. Manfred, a Catholic scholar, wrote in his The Questions of the Question: "The books which contained this description have been destroyed, because in any of the present books of the Prophets we do not find the statement that Jesus would be called a 'Nazarene'."
Mark's Gospel highlights again the concern about the New Testament authors' insufficient knowledge of the Old Testament. He states in his Gospel 2:25-26: 'Have ye never read what David did... How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shrew bread.' This is incorrect because the high priest at the time of this incident was not Abiathar but rather Ahimelech, as can be seen in the Old Testament at I Samuel 21:1. Therefore, Peake's Commentary says (p.684): "The reference to Abiathar is a mistake." How can God inpsire these contradictions. When was this the true word of God and when was it not, in Samuel or in Mark's Gospel?
The Book of Joshua According to investigation the book appears a medley of contradictory narratives, most of which are un-historic. Peake's. II Chronicles 29-32 "The Chronicler in the long section writes, from his own point of view, much that is quite un-historical . . . it is probably that another source (or witness?) was utilized by the Chronicler but he himself is evidently responsible for many of the variations. How can un-historic books be from God?
Commenting on Judges chapter 17 and 18 it states (p.269): "In not a few places the text has evidently been tampered with by scribes, who took offence at practices which were from a later point of view irregular." In its commentary to I Samuel 2:3 we read (p.275): "These verses do not make sense; the present wording cannot be the original one, but must be due to mistakes in the copying. We cannot now discover the original form." I Samuel, this time against verse 14:18, it says (p.288): "The introduction of the Ark in I Samuel 14:18, is due to a corruption of the text." Page 292, commenting on II Samuel 23:4-7, it states: "The text and translation of the last line, and of 5-7, are uncertain; there is no agreement amongst scholars as to how they are to be restored."
Commenting on Ezra 4, verses 6 and 7 (p.327): "These are two stray verses which have been left in the text here by mistake. This offers a good example of the way in which fragments of sources are jumbled together in our book... Scholars have suggested a number of solutions, but they differ from each other considerably." In the introduction to the Book of Hosea, we read (p.534): "As will be apparent from the notes, the text is in places very corrupt. We must often resort to conjectural emendation, and reach only a possible approximation to the original text." Commenting on Zechariah 6:9-15, it says: "The text is considerably confused, partly through accident, partly it would seem by deliberate alteration."
'All this took place to fulfil what the Lord had said through the prophet: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel.' (Matthew 1:22-23) This prophecy is found in the Old Testament at Isaiah 7:14. Matthew sees in this a referral to Mary (the virgin) and Jesus (a son called Immanuel). Unfortunately, when Christians initially quoted these old prophecies, they used Greek translations which were untrue to the Hebrew originals. This passage is a prime example. There is no mention of a virgin in the original prophecy, the Hebrew word for which is bthulah. The word in the prophecy (which Matthew and other Christians render as virgin) is the Hebrew word almah which signifies a young woman, maiden or damsel of marriageable age. The error no doubt was made by a translator during the copying of Isaiah into Greek and Matthew, unaware of the original Hebrew, merely followed the translated wording. Does God have issues with translations??
Peake's Commentary on the Bible correctly states: "The rendering 'virgin' is unjustifiable." A look at the context of the Prophecy in Isaiah (7:1-17) helps to give a correct understanding of the intended meaning: Ahaz, the king, was in danger, his enemies were pressing hard against Jerusalem. Revelation is sent to Isaiah as consolation to Ahaz and as a sign that his enemies would not prevail against him. The sign of their destruction would be that a 'young woman' would bring forth a son and before the child had grown up their kingdoms would be vanquished . . .
and we can keep going and going and going. So is this divinely inspired or not? Is this from God or not? How do you reconcile this?
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@tabitha72 Nah, not my mission. Anyone who reads and studies the Bible will undoubtedly find the errors. It doesn't have to be a mission. It just is. I had no idea it was so many though. There is some truth in the Bible but it's just too much otherwise that isn't for it to be considered the word of God or an authority of truth or the standard of it.
Yes and everyone who studies Muhammad and Islam will also find nothing in it proven false. These are not my personal opinions Tabitha. This is just the reality of the books we have today called the Quran and the Bible that were well-established before our time. It's been over 1400 years for Islam, 2000 for Christianity. These books and the information are not new. It is just on us to find out and then decide, what we are going to base our belief system on after that. Some people choose authenticity; some people do not care and prefer a blind faith of their forefathers (usually). I would welcome objections and I have plenty of times but no one has yet to be able to explain those problems in the Bible. I am not even sure most people have the time. But why would I need that from a person I don't know on the internet when I could just learn from Christian scholars themselves? The information is not hidden for either of these religions. It's easy to find which is what makes me curious as to why most Christians, if they DO know, still choose to believe in Christianity?
You can't argue the point someone stays INTENTIONALLY blind when they are only going off of facts and evidence. Especially when that evidence is from Christendom itself. Educating yourself is the opposite of staying blind. Believing what someone told you without even finding out WHO told you is staying blind.
Presenting facts that you do not know or do not want to accept or agree with also is not arguing. I am not here to argue about anything. Just present what I know that I thought someone else might not know; to try to shed light on some falsehoods that exist to help guide you to the truth but only God guides.
To leave you, let us be clear that I presented evidence from Christian scholars of issues in the Bible that are NOT just translation errors but you blindly excuse them as being a few when there are many and you make it seem as though they are just translation errors when none I sent were about that (what I sent was the gospel writers having problems connecting to the Greek translations of the Hebrew Torah, a problem they should not have if they are being inspired by God) and for many different reasons. That is your choice to do so but that is the definition of being blind.
Those beliefs are definitely affected when you do not even know who said them. I know the Lord, like Jesus knew the Lord. You choose to follow the Lord based on Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Paul rather than what can be found that Jesus said himself and you, nor anyone can never answer the simple question of what their full names even were. It's your choice, of course. To you be your religion and to me mine. You can follow Paul and those men and their ideas and we will follow Jesus in his and worship God like he did. Learn about who you really follow because Jesus never said he was God, never said he was the son of God, never worshipped himself or told anyone else to and HE worshipped God, not himself. And this you can find in your own religious history. You don't have to take my word on ANY of this. Learn for yourself! I hope you do. Take care.
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If people really felt like they could not speak out about Islam, there would not be so much propaganda against Islam and so many people who in fact due speak out about it. The problem with many people speaking though is that they don't speak the truth or they misunderstand which naturally, will bother some people when someone else decides to talk about them or what they believe. People literally give death threats to people of all faits, on the news, in schools, in government office, etc who say things they don't agree with. This is a feature of humans and not from Islam or unique to Muslims. There will always be people who are fanatical, who act outside their religious teachings, who go off the deep end, who make mistakes, etc. They do not represent their faith if they are doing something not from their faith.
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