Comments by "Cartoon Mo!" (@cartoonmo5976) on "@JakeBrancatella Proves The "Islamic Dilemma" is Wrong by Assuming the Quran is True." video.
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@AlonzoHarris235
Hold on Alonzo, you said "methodology to verify sayings", is this an admission that you've got nothing preserved from Al-Lah/mo, only "claimed" verifications of what was supposedly stated/said!?!....
So, your entire preservation is affirmed to be reliant on others, the same others that apply using this "methodology" in your Hadiths, which you all discredit as none of you accept the Hadiths in their entirety, so nothing is preserved, not even the quran, regardless of claim to preserved text, which is easily debunked too!....
So you've actually got nada, Jack to the diddly to the squat! 😂🤣
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@AlonzoHarris235
Actually Alonzo, I read the King James version from the first word of Genesis to the last word of Revelation, and I understood it clearly!.....
And seen as you claim to be a Biblical Scholar, want to provide the sources of your hilarious attempts at exegesis!...
Come now Alonzo, I'm ready and waiting, "I'm your teacher boy!" 😂🤣
Now, how about you tell us all about Alif Lam Ra, what's this mean, supposedly they're (Alif lam verses) claimed to be letters, but they're not letters, they're words ("Al-Ra"), same with the others, so what do these words mean Alonzo!?! 😂
And can you show me where the Bible makes the claim the quran does regarding being a clear book that explains everything!?!....
Why do you need Hadiths and Tafsirs, prove me wrong, Al-Ra who or what is Al-Ra!?! 😂
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@AlonzoHarris235
Now now, you're not jumping anywhere, you want to try and refute Christianity, well here's your chance, prove 7:155-157 true, there, job would be done, so, bring the evidence, oh, and my argument is academic because it's coming from your scholars, unless you're discrediting all your scholars and declaring there's no academia when it comes to your cult!?! 😂
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@quintessence3991
Actually, if you look at your initial statement/response, you assert the claim that the Bible proves the Bible,
And what exposes you is the fact you've not corrected anyone responding before I stepped in, so, your assertive claim has been understood correctly as just that, an assertive claim!.....
I never claimed you believe or disbelieve what you claimed, it's irrelevant to my point, so don't try bringing your Wurzle Gummidge's (strawmen) to me!
The only reason you're now trying to wriggle out of it is because you assumed we'd all play your game, jump through your hoops, but I've come along and thrown a wrench in your works, and you don't have any proof to back your claim up when I've challenged you!
Now, while I wait for your evidence/proof, answer the question, are you muslim, why so shy!?! 😂
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@AlonzoHarris235
Interesting, your lah commands you all to sacrifice yourselves for your lah, and your lah doesn't even forgive when the shahada has been taken, look at mr pharaoh in the quran, he took shahada, and your lah didn't show mercy, your lah showed mercilessness!
Oh, and your lah even commands Moses to settle in Egypt, so, Israel in the quran includes Egypt, Palestine belongs to Israel, your Lah said so! 😂🤣
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@AlonzoHarris235
Wrong! It's a translation, big difference!....
Go on, prove me wrong, provide the name of the "interprator"!....
And your entire source catalogue is nothing but interpretations!....
Whose interpretation do you recite, Hafs, Warsh, etc!?!
Which out of Hafs and Warsh preserved the quran verbatim in 21:4, did Al-Lah quote mo post statement and that makes mo an Al-Lah alongside Lah, or, did Lah command mo to state the statement, can't claim same meaning, one's a quotation, one's a command, so, which is it!?!
Also, 4:157, who's speaking in this verse, I hear it's Al-Lah, but Qurtubi says you're all guilty of shirk!?!
And still waiting, what/who is "Al-Ra"!?!
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@quintessence3991
Actually, you came and made the claim that the Bible proves the Bible,
so the burden of proof is upon you, so, come, bring it, Where's your proof!?! 😂
Now, you said you can answer anything if we provide proof, so, just to clarify, are you muslim, would you be able to answer my questions if I can provide proof our scripture is legit, aswel as the early Church fathers, and Christianity in its entirety!?!
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@quintessence3991
Now now, ad hominems are a clear and evident sign one has lost the debate! 😂
You've not actually provided any sort of discrepancy or refutation to my understanding!.....
You admit sarcasm, again, sarcasm is irrelevant!....
You stated what you stated to try and assert a logical fallacy where there's none!....
But you've not stopped to think it through and realise that by doing this, you've made an indirect admission, that you believe that the quran does prove the quran!
And I know you're a muslim, it's obvious and evident by your responses, you reject our scripture, both OT and NT, which by default dictates and necessitates you reject the Torah/Tanakh, but you claim you believe in Jesus, so,
You're not Jewish, not a Christian (Obvs), and you're not an atheist/agnostic.....Because if you were then you'd have no problem stating proudly/confidently you're not a muslim, you're an.....
And the fact you're trying to avoid answering, trying to hide what you are, dictates and necessitates worry and concern that your own sources go against you/Islam, and that I know what you don't!
So, still waiting for your proof/evidence,
And I've offered proof/evidence, just waiting for the answer, are you muslim, don't you want the proof/evidence you're demanding!?! 😂
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@AlonzoHarris235
Oh really Alonzo, so, you're appealing to hypostatic divinity in order for your claim to stand, as in, you believe that the physical hypostasis is divine in itself, and that applies to Al-Lah by default, so,
Al-Lah has a divine hypostasis, but also divine attributes, so, your Al-Lah is multiple divinities in one divine hypostasis!
That doesn't apply to the Trinity (Trinity (1 Divine Nature/Substance/Esscence that unifies all 3 Hypostasis, and that Divine Nature/Substance/Esscence is what makes all 3 Hypostasis Divine)), I challenge you you to prove your logic and refute the Triune Logic, seen as you've made the claim!
And, 15:51-66 dictates that your Al-Lah is either 3-4,which is it!?! 😂
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@AlonzoHarris235
Well Alonzo, you actually ended up proving that Al-Lah has nada to do with the Trinity because Al-Lah isn't the Father, and you've acknowledged that the Father and the Son aren't one and the same hypostasis, so 5:17 & 5:72 are both in error twice!
And if Al-Lah has nothing to do with the Trinity, then why should we care whether Al-Lah is one or not, or you care if our God is Triune!?!
Are you seriously appealing to the logic thinking you can dispute the Trinity, so that we apsoatsise, and then somehow are going to accept Al-Lah, and believe Al-Lah is a different god and still believe in our scripture, but believe our scripture is corrupted, while your logic is unfounded in the quran/quranic doctrine, because your god in the quran is trying to claim to be our god, and that our scripture is legit in order to believe the claim, that we should be able to find Ahmad explicitly in our scripture in order to believe the claims mo made as your Al-Lah, that Isa was crucified and resurrected during the time of Moses, as a Levite, and this is meant to be Jesus Christ, who had an injil book that no one has ever seen/read, and had followers called Nasara or Christians, and all Prophets between Moses and Jesus Christ were all around during the time of Moses!?!.....
Come on, seriously, you want me to believe either, any, all of this!?!
Ok, no problem, just one small request.....PROVE IT! 😂
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