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@djelalhassan7631
First of all, you don't get to dictate the standard and requirements in regards to Al-Lah's challenge beyond what the verses state, because unless you're Al-Lah, and unless it states the specifics you claim apply, then you're guilty of Bid'ah!....
Now, you think you can challenge me regarding surah 108 and in doing so prove my point by demanding I bring something "like it", well I already brought something better, but let's deal with 108.....
You claim the surah has frequency of linguistic devices, literary features, aswel as maximum expression in meaning within 10 words, and in a unique structure!
Let's see!.....
108
Indeed, We have granted you abundance
So pray to your Lord and sacrifice.
Indeed, your enemy is the one cut off.
Well, first off, there's just over double the number of words that you claimed (21 not 10)!
Wheres the frequency in linguistic devices exactly!?!
A linguistic device simply put is just words/phrases that convey a meaning!.....(add something special/original to the writing, give more information using fewer words, persuade/engage the reader, communicate the idea in a precise way, help the reader visualise a scene)!
So, in 108 we get nothing original, special, or new, it doesn't give anyone anymore information using fewer words, it doesn't convey a message in a precise way (who has given abundance to who, pray to who, sacrifice what, who is the enemy, what are they cut off from?),
This also covers "literary feature"!
It's now evident that by default the surah in no way has maximum expression as a result of the above!
And finally, you claim unique structure, just by reading the verse its evident there's nothing unique about the structure, it's simplistic and basic at best, anyone could and have constructed similar and way more complex verses, my initial surah is proof and evidence of that, and tick all the requirements for use of linguistic devices!
So you've actually now helped not only prove and strengthen my point, but that my surah has not only met, but surpassed the challenge set by your Al-Lah!
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@djelalhassan7631
Also, your translation is full of Taqiyya!....
To correctly translate, 108:1 it should state.....
"I (pending your translation of aAAtaynaka - أَعۡطَيۡنَٰكَ ) Al Kauthar/Kawthar
Now, what's alkauthar/alkawthar!?!
Why is alkauthar/alkawthar transliterated in your translation/the translations as" Al-Kauthar/Al-Kawthar if it's one word!?!🤔😂
Who is the "I", and who is the recipient!?!
. Why does the Arabic use "I" and your translation/the translations use "We", who are any of you to "change" the word of Al-Lah and thereby corrupting Al-Lah's word/the quran!?!
Also, as this is directed at one specific recipient, the instructions in the surah only apply to the specific individual recipient not all!
Who are the individuals opposing, and why are they opposition in 108:3!?!
See, literary devices my back foot! 😂🤣
There's nothing special, unique, original, or any sort of message conveyed beyond the individual specific recipient, if mo, then mo is the only one to follow these instructions!
And the surah still fails to meet your standard/criteria, whereas my surah does!
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@djelalhassan7631
Let's test your Arabic....
Can you combine letters and claim they're still letters in Arabic!?!....
For example,
Could you say....
"the letter a, the letter b, the letter a, the letter c, the letter u, the letter s",
And claim you're stating letters not the word abacus!
Or vice versa?
I strongly suggest you acknowledge and deal with this, because it's relevant to the overall topic regarding "a surah like it", it'll establish your level of Arabic, and then we can proceed/continue!...
Refuse, ignore, and I will take that as you don't know Arabic as well as you claim.
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@djelalhassan7631
Oh dear!.....
I've had fun translating surah 108,
There's 2 conjunctive words in the surah, so it has more than 10 words no matter what!......
And translated properly, this surah is seriously problematic for you, so, when you're ready, we'll go through 108, and by the time we're done, you won't ever want to read/recite 108 ever again, because it'll remind you always of this interaction!
Remember, you chose this surah not I! 😂
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@djelalhassan7631
Actually, your original challenge stated that the Quran challenges to produce one surah like it, it doesn't state a specific surah, just "one/a" surah, I'm sure you fully understand what "one" means, don't you all seem to think stating "Al-Lah is one" with your pagan fingers in the air actually proves something!?!😂🤣
So, I don't have to pick a surah from the quran and mimic the surah, because that would be paradoxically oxymoronic and make your Al-Lah look Azar! 😂🤣.....
Think about it, you're challenging me, based on your understanding of the challenge your quran sets, that I have to write a surah like 108, or the Surahs containing the challenges, as in it has to have the exact number of words as are in the surah, and it has to have....
Your words....
"frequency of linguistic devices and literary features, and it expresses maximal meaning within 10 words and unique structure.
Formulated into three lines or verses, and add any preposition or linguistic particle you see fit. At the same time, ensure it has a unique structure, is timelessly meaningful and righteous and ethical and shows the moral way and the immoral way with its pair, and relates to themes within a book that it is part of — the size of that which is over seventy-thousand words. Make sure four of its words are unique and never used again in the book. Ensure each line or verse ends with a rhyme, created by words with the most optimal meanings. Make sure that these words are used only once in the three lines, and not used anywhere else in the book. Ensure that the three lines concisely and eloquently semantically mirrors its pair the sûrah/chapter 107 before it, which I have also translated and presented here, and they must formulate a profound response to an unplanned set of circumstances for all Time. You must use ten letters in each line and ten letters only once in the entire three lines. Throughout the whole piece, make sure you produce a semantically oriented rhythm and harmony without sacrificing any meaning. Do all of the above publicly in one and first attempt, without revision or amendment, in absence of any formal training in eloquence and rhetoric.
Impossible as the above may seem, this is exactly what the Qur’ān achieved and in its shortest chapter Al-Kawthar (The Abundance)108:Âyât/Signs:1-3; and also in its every sûrah/chapter.
“Let them then produce a hadith/narration,statement,discourse like unto it if they are truthful” 52:34...."
Now, this why I love Muslims like you, because you love to waffle so much you always end up gift wrapping and handing me more information/evidence to expose you and your cult!.....
You just affirmed that the Quran is nothing but Hadith narrations!...
"Let them then produce a hadith/narration,statement,discourse like unto it if they are truthful” 52:34...."
So, your quran isn't the word of Al-Lah of it's a compilation of Hadiths, that dictates and necessitates that all your Hadiths are quran too!
I mean, your Qudsi Hadiths are meant to be the word of Al-Lah, yet they're not in the quran!
And your Hadiths claim there's loads of verses that are missing, a goat/sheep ate some, 1 surah once was as long as Surah 2......
Oh but it gets worse, and you know it, because you have to grade all your Hadiths, and all of you love to try and reject Hadiths, claim they're fabrications etc,
So thank you, you've just completely exposed and discredited the entirety of your cult!
Furthermore, as I already pointed out, Al-Lah set the challenge supposedly in the quran, not you, unless you're claimig to be Al-Lah, so you don't get to dictate which surah, or what the standards are in regards to the challenge!
But even if I'm to accept your specific requirements/standards, surah 108 as I've proven can't even tick off a single box to satisfy your requirements/standards, my surah does!
You said my surah had to match 108 the following way...
"You must use ten letters in each line and ten letters only once in the entire three lines."
Surah 108 has more than 10 letters, it has more than 10 words, so surah 108 can't even meet your standards/requirements! 😂🤣🤣
And dont think for a moment I, and everyone else haven't seen/noticed that you've been flapping and desperate to avoid dealing with the Arabic the second I challenged you on it, and that you're evidently trying to shift the goalposts, which by default proves the challenge has been met, and as a result you're trying to constantly tweak the challenge in order to reject what has already met the original requirements/standards set for the challenge!
Now, you assumed that my surah isn't part of a book and thought by demanding it had to be from and therefore part of a book in order to pass the challenge would be problematic for me, well, it's from MY book of polemics! 😂🤣
Oh, and you said there couldn't be no sort of editing, correcting etc etc, well that's your Al-Lah and quran busted thanks to "Abrogation"! 😂🤣
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@djelalhassan7631
Hmm, I wonder, if we go through each and every single surah, do you think all Surahs only use letters/words once, if so, then your quran would only be able to be 28 letters if that based on 7th century Arabic!?!....
And, if only using one word once, then your entire quran would be a few pages/verses at best, and make even less sense than it does currently!
Think about it, for example, you can only use the word Al-Lah, Muhammad, quran, Isa, Musa etc etc once!
How many times are Al-Lah and Isa mentioned in your quran, your standards/requirements dictate and necessitate only 1 use can be applied to the entire quran, so which 2 verses are the legit Al-Lah Isa mentioning verses, and which are fabrications, and why are there fabrications in your quran using the words Al-Lah and Isa in other Surahs/verses!?!
Your claim and logic, not mine! 😂🤣
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@djelalhassan7631
I'm going with your logic, your intellect, so your statement applies to you not I here!
I'm actually being fully sincere, genuine, honest, and simply taking on the challenge as stated in the quran!.....
It's you who's trying to use Taqiyya Bid'ah because based on the Quranic text, the challenge, I met, and surpassed the challenge set!
Now as I stated, your translation, the translations from your scholars, none actually preserve the actual true statement and context, like I said, there's 2 prepositions in the surah, you didn't dispute or attempt to refute this when I stated it, you didn't even enquire/question it, so you know they're there, and I'm right,
And the reason you completely overlooked this, is because as I stated, this exposes major problems!
So, the quran challenge doesn't mention any of the standards you tried to impose, it's simply challenging anyone to make a chapter like a chapter in the quran, any chapter, that's it, that's the challenge!....
So, anyone can write a chapter, in any language, and all that chapter has to do is be equal to, or better than the quran surah/s.
Do you realise that for decades now people have been successfully surpassing this challenge!
What do you think singers/lyricists do, what do you think rappers do!?!...
Eminem has more Surahs than the quran (rap tracks/albums)! 😂🤣
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@djelalhassan7631
Now remember you were so proud that you've personally transliterated and translated 108, well, let's take a further look at 108:1.....
108:1
I - Inna - إِنَّآ
(pending your answer) - aAAtaynaka - أَعۡطَيۡنَٰكَ
Al Kauthar/Kawthar - alkawthar - ٱلۡكَوۡ
Now, what's alkauthar/alkawthar!?!
Who is the "I", and who is the recipient!?!
As this is directed at one specific recipient, the instructions in the surah only apply to the specific individual recipient not all!
Who are the "enemies", and why are they enemies in 108:3!?!
See, literary devices my back foot! 😂🤣
There's nothing special, unique, original, or any sort of message conveyed beyond the individual specific recipient, if mo, then the surah fails to meet your standard/criteria, whereas my surah does!
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@djelalhassan7631
Now remember you were so proud that you've personally transliterated and translated 108, well, let's take a further look at 108:1.....
108:1
I - Inna - إِنَّآ
(pending your answer) - aAAtaynaka - أَعۡطَيۡنَٰكَ
Al Kauthar/Kawthar - alkawthar - ٱلۡكَوۡ
Now, what's alkauthar/alkawthar!?!
Who is the "I", and who is the recipient!?!
As this is directed at one specific recipient, the instructions in the surah only apply to the specific individual recipient not all!
Who are the individuals opposing, and why are they opposition in 108:3!?!
See, literary devices my back foot! 😂🤣
There's nothing special, unique, original, or any sort of message conveyed beyond the individual specific recipient, if mo, then the surah fails to meet your standard/criteria, whereas my surah does!
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@djelalhassan7631
Now you've affirmed/provided proof that all your Hadiths are quran and vice versa, let's have some fun....
Which came first, the horse/s or al-Lah!?!
When Allah wanted to create himself, he created horses and made them run and sweat; then He created himself from that sweat.
Lisan Al-Mizan By ibn Hajar, Volume 3, page 96
Surah Zilzal tafseer
Hadith related by Imam Suyuti which states:
“When God Almighty wanted to create Himself, He created the horse first and let it gallop till it sweated. Then He created Himself from its sweat.
Abu Hurayra narrated:
It was said, “O Messenger of God, from what is our Lord?
He said, “From water not of earth, nor of the heavens. He created a horse and made it run. It sweated, and he created himself from that sweat.”
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@djelalhassan7631
Let's go with your claimed 10 letter surah 108......
108:1
إِ نَّ آ أَ عۡ طَ يۡ نَٰ كَ ٱ لۡ كَ وۡ
So, there's 13 Arabic letters in 108:1, we need to remove the last 3, and that has to be the entire surah according to you!......
إِ نَّ آ أَ عۡ طَ يۡ نَٰ كَ ٱ
I n a a a i t y n k
So, your challenge is that I have to create something better than
"I n a a a i t y n k"
And it has to meet all your standards/requirements!.....
Well you have to now first prove these letters meet your standards and requirements, that my surah doesn't, and that these letters are superior to my surah!
And, because you said that there can be no repetition, there's further omission of letters that is required, which creates the paradox, you have 10 letters, can't have repetition, so have to remove letters from the 10 letters due to repetition in order to uphold the challenge that only 10 letters without repetition have to be used in order to create a surah like it, which has more than 10 letters in both the verse first, and by default all three verses!
And I refer you back to the fact that there's more than 10 Arabic words in the surah!
Oh, and I still haven't even got started on the issues I've found when translating 108, this surah makes your cult look bad!
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