Comments by "No Fate But What We Make" (@SonoftheAllfather) on "Potential War With North Korea: What We Ought to be Focused On" video.

What we ought to be focused on: our own country. Fuck them; let the Japanese and South Koreans destroy North Korea. Then we can decrease our military spending in that region. EDIT: To all you plebs that think Japan doesn't have a military: gas yourself immediately for your ignorance! Japan is the world's sixth largest military spender, it has the fifth most powerful air fleet and the fourth most powerful navy in the world.
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t o the Japanese military is routinely ranked a top 10 world military. They have the world's 4th largest attack helicopter fleet, 4 aircraft carriers, and over 600 tanks. I don't know why this myth exists that Japan doesn't have an active military. They are purposefully undermanned, but they are able to inflict serious damage and they're extremely well-equipped.
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@ Nad d: "We have the opportunity to help free a nation of people oppressed consistently by the NK regime." Isn't that what we were supposed to be doing in all the proxy wars as well? i.e. Korea 1950-53, Vietnam, Panama, Iraq (twice), Somalia, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya etc. ? Yes, such a glorious opportunity for us to virtue signal to the entire world that we're not completely fucked because of our failures in all of those conflicts. Haven't you learned anything from post-WWII U.S. foreign policy? Let the peoples of East Asia deal with North Korea. I'm sick of this country involving itself in conflicts with the supposed reasoning that it is "virtuous" and then having the entire world shit on us as Americans are coming home in body bags. It always ends up blowing up in our faces in the end and everybody just hates us more. Let all of these other ingrates deal with North Korea and see how well they fare. IMO, we should just support their war effort (not that we already haven't), and if they can't get the job done themselves we should come in and clean house like we did in WWI.
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Ghost5410 nothing you said about the Japanese military is correct. They have a formidable military apparatus and they can attack any nation that attacks them. They have offensive missile systems, bombers, gunships, attack helicopters and they conduct combat patrols with their air force. No military force concerned solely with self defense invests as much in this type of weaponry. North Korea has already posed enough of a threat for them to legally justify combat action against them.
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Michael Olds yeah and about 50K Americans were KIA, MIA, or captured, tortured, and killed in the Korean War. American troops cannot invade and hold North Korea. Defeating their military would be hard enough, but the ensuing insurgency would be nightmarish. North Koreans literally have been brainwashed to think Americans are demons that will eat their babies. This war must be conducted by South Koreans and the Japanese with the minimal necessary U.S. support.
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TheEarthCreature North Korea has been a threat to this country since they gained independence from Japan thanks to our inability to negotiate treaties that don't come back and bite us in the ass. So now that they have a few WWII era nukes, everyone finally wants to do something about it? Fuck that. They are a much more significant threat to South Korea and Japan than they are to us. Let Asians fight their own wars. We can supply them with weapons and naval and air support and defense of the DMZ until they can manage it themselves.
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Japan and South Korea are consistently ranked in the top 10 most powerful militaries in the world. http://www.kiwireport.com/strongest-armies-world-2017-edition/ http://www.businessinsider.com/the-worlds-most-powerful-militaries-2017-3 http://www.grinbergnews.com/powerful-militaries/amp/
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Pissed Off Crusader GODZIRA!!!!! no but seriously, how fucking deluded are these people that say Japan has no military? Lol
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@ Evil Ian: I think you've plummeted a bit too far down the rabbit hole, my friend. Maybe you should turn off the computer and go outside before it's too late.
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Roller Cam89 the Japanese would likely play a larger role in air and naval support, bombings and helicopter missions. South Korea's military is routinely ranked in the top 10 in the world, has 3.5 million active personnel, a larger air force, better technology and tanks, and some of the world's strongest economies backing them. North Korea would be soundly defeated by South Korea with Japanese and American support. China seems to be warming to the idea of whacking the Juche regime in recent years.
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mike harvey : yeah, very rational thinking there, Harvey San. Let's risk tens of thousands of U.S. military casualties and trillions of taxpayer dollars and justify it by saying we're protecting our ex pats living in Japan and Korea, most of whom are still U.S. citizens and can return to the U.S. whenever they fucking want. That is totally justifiable...smh.
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@ Korya line: China would only dominate Korea if they lead the strike against the North and take the lead role in unification efforts. If Japan, South Korea and the ZOG/NATO/U.S. war machine take the reigns, a unified Korea would eventually become an economic powerhouse. People forget that Japan and South Korea are both top 10 world military powers; combined they are extremely powerful and have massive economies and powerful allies at their back.
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@ 4Clubs: the funny thing is that I don't even reject war for the reasons most people do. I'm not a pacifist, and honestly I probably value human life less than the average person. I actually think a lot of people deserve to die. I reject egalitarianism and cultural and moral relativism; not all people, cultures, and moral value systems are equal. Not even close. That being said I don't really give a fuck how other cultures want to act or behave in their own countries. That is their problem, as long as they leave me and my countrymen alone and don't try to subject us to their shitty customs. I simply see war as irrational and perverse now that I truly see it for what it is and not through the lens of a glory-seeker or a world policeman. War is wasteful, fiscally insane, and usually causes more harm than good. It allows corporate entities and their puppet governments to profit while American taxpayers fund it and American plebs go out and get slaughtered "serving their country." Such a tired lie. It's really becoming cringeworthy. War has generally served to denigrate our reputation more than it has strengthened it on the world stage, and constant neolib/neocon warmongering has generally made all aspects of foreign policy more difficult for us. Almost every war our country has partaken in since WWII has been unpopular with the U.S. public...and why? Because we weren't attacked by any of these countries we turned into slaughterhouses. You would think the U.S. would learn its lesson and let others take the lead in some of these conflicts, but apparently there is just too much money and power in it to risk someone fighting their own fucking war for once. I say let Israel fight its own wars in the Middle East. Fuck Israel. Let the Koreans unify their own peninsula. Fuck Korea as well. I just don't want the U.S. to go to war unless we are attacked by a sovereign state and Congress declares war. Then we go and absolutely obliterate that nation, eat cornflakes out of their skulls, and make necklaces out of their teeth. I give zero fucks. I just think that all of these proxy conflicts are unconstitutional in all actuality, which is why they need to call them "police actions" or some such horseshit. Yeah, Vietnam...a "police action"...56,000 young Americans died there and countless more are completely mentally fucked up for life because of their experiences there. But hey, who am I to say...just a jaded and bitter Bush-era vet...lol
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@American Legionnaire: I think if you corner a beast in a dead-end street, it will turn and bite. The North Koreans are dangerous, and Kim is mentally ill, but he also knows that a nuclear strike would seal his doom. Dictators generally cling to power because they know to lose their power means to lose their life. I honestly think that the only way he will use a nuke is if they are attacked, and even then their strike would likely be unsuccessuful. Otherwise, I view their threats as mostly just posturing.
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Umm...If the North Koreans were going to release any footage willingly, why wouldn't they release footage showing their military prowess and discipline? They are trying to dissuade people from fucking with them. The Soviet Union used to do the exact same shit, and rarely did you ever see any footage coming out of the Soviet Union depicting misery and corruption unless it was smuggled out. The videos they did willingly release surely weren't ones that showed their Hell gulags or the bread lines. Rather, it would be some propagandized version of the USSR depicting it as a glorious and omnipotent utopia with an unstoppable military force duckwalking through the Red Square. Would you make as ridiculous a claim that the USSR was also a CIA controlled "Giant Movie Set?" I surely hope not. Now imagine a regime with the same type of authoritarian control reigning over a much more manageable land area and smaller and more controllable population, and you have North Korea. The nature of North Korea makes perfect sense, in all actuality.
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nintendoluigi they're not neutered, just undermanned. They are capable of inflicting serious damage on anyone that attacks them and oh btw, the DPRK just launched a missile into their territorial seas (again). They're routinely ranked in the top 10 in world military powers. I don't know why everyone thinks they have no capabilities.
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@ The Thinker: your profile name is misleading, because you're not thinking before you're commenting. Japan is routinely ranked a top 10 military power. I suppose you think Germany can't have a military too, eh? Wrong. Germany also has a formidable military routinely ranked in the top 10. People always equate military power to manpower, but that simply isn't the case anymore. "Japan only maintains a small defense force. It is not allowed to have a strong military" Do you call a nation that ranks 6th in the world in defense spending, has 4 aircraft carriers, 678 advanced tanks, over 1600 military aircraft to include the world's 4th largest attack helicopter fleet, 16 submarines and 250,000 active duty frontline military members a "small defense force" and not a "strong military?" Business Insider ranked them 4th in the world behind the usual suspects. http://www.businessinsider.com/these-are-the-worlds-20-strongest-militaries-ranked-2015-9/#4-japan-17
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L B well clearly, considering the first comment in this thread was upvoted, you get an idea of the type of deluded warmonger demographic we're dealing with. Funny considering Styx is so anti-war.
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@ 4Clubs: It's really hard to know what capabilities the DPRK has in its entirety, but I would say that the North will be just as fucked as the South if open war breaks out. The RSK has a formidable military. Either way, I agree with the rest of what you said. I'm tired of the U.S. going around playing world policeman, wasting American lives and having the entire world only be ungrateful and sneer in sanctimony as a result. I don't care about empty platitudes like "thank you for your service." I fucking hate it when people say that, actually. I did it because I was young and at the time, I felt like my life had little purpose. The novelty of being a warrior quickly faded, and it became mostly an excerise in avoiding being killed and protecting my dumbass friends. The Middle East and the 'Stans are fucked and likely always will be. They will only be made worse the more the ZOG/NATO Western alliance attempts to "liberate" these countries.
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Karras we "forfeited that right?" Wtf are you talking about? What about WWII made us forfeit the right to avoid war? The U.S. liberating Europe and destroying the threat of the Japanese Empire? So our consolation prize for that is that we now have to warmonger and strongarm every conflict that occurs in the world? So we don't have the right to NOT police the world? Fuck that. That mentality is insane and I won't shoulder that imaginary burden for the entire world, especially when most other major world powers are constantly condemning our military actions. Let some of these other ingrate countries pull their own weight for once. I would suggest emancipating yourself from this perceived responsibility and denouncing our involvement in proxy conflicts. A "global world" is just code for tyranny of the international majority and warmongering. If that's something you support, you should practice what you preach and join the ZOG/NATO war machine.
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Alan Wake the DPRK just launched a missile into the Sea of Japan (again). That is technically an attack on their territorial sea and is more than enough for Japan to legally justify combat action against them.
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Vicki Takacs how are they supposed to "fix" it?
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DB Cooper I totally agree. Without the nuclear factor, the DPRK is a paper tiger. The RSK and Japan could wreck them, especially with ZOG/NATO support, which they would have.
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@ Vicki: Yeah, I agree. Asian cultures have never really been known for their environmentalism. That being said, and not meaning to sound rude at all, but what does that have to do with the North Korea situation? Are you trying to illustrate Japan's incompetence or their lack of trustworthiness in the context of the North Korea Question?
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@ephewe: "Japan can't protect itself though." Yes, it can. It has one of the top 10 militaries in the world and is allied with South Korea (another top 10 world military power), and the U.S., the most powerful military in the world. "I mean, protecting itself means a preemptive strike" No it doesn't. If everyone went around killing everyone that posed a threat to them, the world would be a slaughterhouse. Think about if Israel openly attacked every country that posed a threat to them. They would be in open war with every Islamic state in the world. Going around "preemptively striking" everyone is warmongering, plain and simple. "The entire deal is that WE will handle their foreign affairs when hostility is on the table. When it comes to Japan, we are bound to be their guardian angel as much as they are bound to depend on us." If this is true, why do they even have a military apparatus, let alone one of the most powerful ones in the world? Stop burdening yourself with the defense of another country. They are perfectly capable of protecting themselves, and their constitution only states that they cannot attack a country that doesn't attack them first. That is really the way it should be, and isn't unreasonable at all. "unless we take NK out, they're going to blackmail us constantly, to the point where the regime is entirely subsidized by American tax payers" This is just an absolutely ludicrous argument. Name me one time in U.S. history that we have submitted to blackmail by some tinhorn dictator? "There really is nothing else to do at this point other than what needs to be done: Kill the Kims, take out the nukes & the mind-bogglingly massive amount of conventional artillery which is pointed at Seoul, and hope for the best." Keep trying to convince yourself the ends justify the means, no matter how low you have to sink. I will not approve of it, for I have actually seen war. I hope whoever makes the decision about Korea actually has a familiarity with war and killing, but I doubt that will be the case. An impetuous approach to this conflict will end in ruin.
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Vicki Takacs proxy conflicts are both unconstitutional and nearly always conducted for an indecent, or at least unreasonable purpose. Our invasion of Somalia was perhaps done for truly altruistic reasons, but it still ended in failure.
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Vicki Takacs I think it was part of our meaningless efforts to thwart Marxist/Leninist totalitarianism, same as Korea. I say meaningless only because communism will fail on its own eventually, it's just a matter of being patient. I don't really believe the rumors about Vietnam with the CIA smuggling heroin in coffins etc etc. I'm not saying it wasn't done, but I think the war started as a Cold War effort.
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