Comments by "No Fate But What We Make" (@SonoftheAllfather) on "The Various Excuses for the Invasion of Ukraine Don't Justify the War" video.

"Who gives a shit if Ukraine is in NATO? It's not like that makes them a threat." -Styx This kind of mindless remark just reveals that Tarl is either completely uninformed about this topic or he's just talking a bunch of BS and basically lying so he can maintain his pro-American stance. NATO is a remnant of the Cold War. Russia absolutely views NATO as a threat and with good reason. NATO's entire purpose for 45 years was to create a political and military bulwark against the Soviet Union. Now it is basically assuming that same role against Russia. So why the fvck would Russia want another NATO state on their border? They know the U.S. deep state has been fvcking around in Ukraine for years. Our government used Ukraine as a pawn in their little game of world chess with Russia. They tested Putin and Putin said "enough." Simple as. That isn't an excuse either, it's the simple reality of the situation.
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@MightyMerlin1 Tarl is a lolbert and the NAP renders lolberts incapable of condoning preemptive aggression, even if conflict is imminent and the aggression is totally provoked. Yes, war is bad. Yes, attacking other countries is bad. But to pretend like there "is no excuse" for Russia's actions, one must completely dismiss the seriousness of what the US/NATO have done in Ukraine. They deliberately exacerbated hostilities in that region. To deny it is uninformed at best and deceptive at worst.
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@alexrandrerx3809 "Sure, it would be a hostile state" Ummm...yeah, so why would the Russian government want to allow the US/NATO to create a NATO client state on their border that is 1.) politically/economically hostile to Russia and 2.) has the real potential to become a regional power? The Russian government does not want the US/NATO meddling in their sphere of influence. They don't want the US/NATO setting us client states on their border any more than our government would want Russia to set up a Russian client state on the American border (which they are not doing, btw). So basically, you just answered your own question ("what does it matter if Ukraine is in NATO?") and proved why Styx (and you) are wrong. Furthermore, you're wrong about Russia's intentions. They don't want to annex/incorporate all of Ukraine into Russia as they did with Crimea. The rest of Ukraine they just want to suppress the pro-NATO elements, dominate the government and have Ukraine serve as a client buffer state between them and NATO, similar to Belarus and Georgia. That is what Ukraine essentially was from 1991-2004, before the U.S./CIA/NATO sponsored a color revolution and installed a pro-Western government. This exact same thing happened with Georgia, which serves as a buffer state between Russia and Turkey (a NATO member). The West was trying to prime it and turn it into a NATO client state, and the Russians invaded in 2008 and reestablished it as their own client state. NATO is trying to expand, not the Russians. But when NATO tries to subvert a Russian client state, the Russians answer, and then the global liberal propaganda apparatus accuses the Russians of engaging in expansionism and unprovoked aggression. It's pure projection. Americans can be so depressingly myopic and incapable of looking at anything from a non-Western perspective. So many of us still possess this grossly hypocritical Monroe Doctrine-type worldview. We often fail (and sometimes outright refuse) to acknowledge that other governments have a legitimate right to protect their own interests, even if and when they conflict with the actions of our government (and the alliances/institutions it belongs to like NATO). You pretend like those actions are never a legitimate threat to other countries. Like our initiatives to spread our sphere of influence and power are always benevolent.
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@AlphaQHard Wrong. Russia does not want to annex all of Ukraine. Look at what happened in Georgia. Georgia is a buffer/client state between Turkey (a NATO member state) and Russia. The U.S. sponsored a color revolution 2003. Russia invaded and reestablished it as a Russian client state in 2008. This is exactly what is happening in Ukraine. Russia wants Ukraine to be a Russian client state and a buffer between NATO and Russia. "The entire world views Russia as evil" LOL what a myopic statement. You really think the majority of the Eastern world (China, India and the Islamic world) think "Russia bad?" Get real. The only people who think Russia is evil because of this are people who are completely ignorant of the geopolitical situation in Eastern Europe and have had their entire opinion of this conflict shaped by Western media/deep state propaganda.
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@alexrandrerx3809 1.) I don't really care where you're from. You're still wrong. 2.) You're basically admitting that NATO is expanding, but attempting to rationalize it with a "might is right" argument. Russia is not expanding, they are just attempting to MAINTAIN their sphere of influence, and the West is portraying this as expansion. 3.) NATO was created and exists for the sole purpose of standing in opposition to Russia. If it were so obsolete, why is NATO so intent on making ex-Soviet states into NATO member states? 4.) Wrong again, and such a lowbrow take. There are clearly spheres of influence. The only nations who can act largely independently are superpowers. If you claim that Belarus is not in the Russian sphere and Mexico is not in the American sphere and Vietnam is not in the Chinese sphere, you're either hopelessly ignorant or hopelessly dishonest. I initially gave you the benefit of the doubt and considered you the former. Now it's clear you're the latter.
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@AlphaQHard You claim the Russians have no right to defend their own interests through military force, but I seriously doubt you would say the same thing about the U.S. if the Russian deep state was subverting countries in the U.S. sphere and turning them against U.S. interests. The last time the Russians set up a puppet state in our sphere, the U.S. government financed an invasion of that nation (Cuba). The U.S. government goes around invading sovereign nations all the time in the name of our "interests" and even on behalf of the interests of other countries. I would say it is indeed immoral, as you said. But really it's all a matter of perspective. You are the one claiming "everyone" thinks the Russians are evil, and that simply isn't the case. Now you're backtracking and saying basically "ok, well not everyone, but everyone who isn't evil thinks Russia is evil." All that really means is most people in the West think Russia is evil. So it's really just your own subjective pro-Western bias, a bias which renders you incapable of having a rational understanding of what is happening in Ukraine. That said, I'm not the one trying to rationalize anything, I'm just trying to explain to you that Russia invaded for a reason, and that reason is because our government was meddling in Ukraine and trying to expand NATO and EU influence. Biden had his crackhead son sitting on one of their state-run energy firms, FFS. Russia views our deep state's actions as hostile, and they're correct. And they aren't the only ones who view it in this way. This whole conflict was completely predictable. Academics like John Mearsheimer knew this would happen all the way back in 2015. He knew that NATO would get Ukraine wrecked just like they did with Georgia, and he knew that NATO would do nothing, because that is the entire strategy. Subvert Russian client states with pro-NATO color revolutions. Provoke the Russians to act. Demonize the Russians once they do act. Rinse and repeat.
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@AlphaQHard And yet NATO countries invade other sovereign nations ALL...THE...TIME for far less relevant reasons. Your pro-Western bias became obvious when you portrayed ~70% of the world as unworthy of an opinion because they haven't lapped up the "Russia bad" Kool-Aid, which you are distributing (and thus makes your profile name highly ironic, btw). You are speaking largely and exclusively on behalf of the West establishment and those they control, not the entire world, you arrogant fool. Russia was meddling in Ukraine because it is in right on their freaking border. Ukraine has been part of Russia for most of its history and 20% of their population is Russian. It's complete apples and oranges comparing US meddling there to Russian meddling. "If Russia keeps falling for the rinse and repeat strategy nato takes with them, who’s really at fault here?" Are you fvcking serious? It is clearly NATO that created this situation. If they weren't trying to turn every state on the Russian border into a NATO state, this wouldn't have happened.
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@AlphaQHard You got owned in this thread, so your only recourse now is to accuse me of liking my own comment, when it was probably the guy i just addressed.
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@AlphaQHard I just liked Hattenburg's last comment. It wasn't him. Lol you pathetic cvck.
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@AlphaQHard What is my "alt account" Mr. Potato Man?
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@XerxesNihili Coincidence or not that Zelensky is an actor who literally played a Ukrainian president who was a US puppet in a TV show?
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@XerxesNihili I'm shocked he's refrained from accusing us all of being Russian agents working together in some bat cave in St. Petersburg.
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@AlphaQHard I'm going to like my previous comments now. You'll see they now have two likes you paranoid potato.
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@AlphaQHard You're paranoid delusional. Turn off the computer and go outside before it's too late.
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@isengard1500 If you started a fight with me and I punched you, you'd blame me. Cvck.
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